Reasons to keep Kelly, Stowell and Miller?

[Lord Nibblington]

As others have said, previous managers have had much larger budgets to play with. This isn't me condoning the purchase of Johnson or Low. But comparisions cannot be drawn until he has had a fair crack. It's not like he's going to do a PT on us, MM can't afford that.

Kelly should be given the chance to make his mark on the first team. However, as i said in my other post, if mandaric doesn't like his ideas he won't trust him with his money and that'll be that.

If we were truely going to let Kelly to make his mark on the first team, and I'm assuming by that you mean bring in his own players, we're going to have to keep him till the summer and beyond. Sure the January transfer window is coming up, but no one wants to sell their best players then, and you end up getting not a lot for far too much money. Hence his only chance to really shape his "own" team would be to let him loose in the summer with some cash. Now. Can we really afford to do that? Anyone?

[The People's Hero]

I wouldn't send him down to Tesco's with £10 for munchies, let alone entrust the club's fortunes this year and next to him.

[Strokes]

Because shipping the manager out after a bad run over and over again is madness. I'm bored of us forcing managers out on a whim. It's just so fickle. As many have said, a month ago we were up there, now were not, no doubt things will change again at some point (good spells, bad spells, we all have them)

No-one who blames the tactics can prove whether that is kelly's own mistake or whether the playing squad are inept and don't follow instruction. Every City side that i have seen in recent years has had the same problems with concentration and killing off games. I blame the walkers stadium. I may be one of a small brigade but i want Kelly at the helm at the start of the MM era, he deserves a bit of cash to show what he can do.

As for team selection, we all have our views on who should and shouldn't play. Mine differ slightly each match to Kelly's but i'm willing to place some trust in the man who spends his week on the training pitch with them.

Curbishley can stay away, so can an unproven Redknapp, inept Dowie or kidnapped Ranieri.

It might materialise that MM doesn't want Kelly around, in which case i'd respect his professional decision, not the ramblings of armchair managers and champ man fanatics.

If the the players aren't following his instructions, that says as much about his ability, as shit tactics.

[linekar78]

Curbishley can stay away, so can an unproven Redknapp, inept Dowie or kidnapped Ranieri .

Haha how good would that be - get him tied to a pole so Birch can wave him at the pitch to shout instructions and then plant him near the bench to stop him doing a runner.

It's be the best thing i'd ever see.

[Guest]

Rob Kelly is not the problem .....

Because shipping the manager out after a bad run over and over again is madness....

Same old, same old.

How crap do we have to be before people realise it?

[harpendenfox]

the board appointed RK because he was the cheapest option. the only reason for keeping him is because of his rolling contract his payoff will never be shortened and i can't see this board wanting to sack him before mandaric comes in and does this with his own money

Short memory. Everyone else we tried to talk to, told us where to go. Can't be bothered to look back to February / March, but weren't we all saying 'make Kelly manager now' after the good run that followed Levein's departure.

We are clearly far too negative, but what choices do we have? Sure I like the idea of someone like Nigel Clough, but he has only managed at Conference level

[TheShrew]

Same old, same old.

How crap do we have to be before people realise it?

I haven't at any point said we were good!

Kelly just shouldn't be a scapegoat. There is alot more to it. Poor players, no money, douglas hogging the wage budget.

I have my doubts about Kelly, but it's not all his fault. We had a nice little unbeaten run not so long ago that has been erased from peoples memories by a few defeats. Norwich have far more talent in their team than us, so do preston. We've lost to a few better teams. Who knows what will happen if MM succeeds and buys the club, things will change, but it shouldn't be a given that Kelly goes.

[Guest]

I haven't at any point said we were good!

Kelly just shouldn't be a scapegoat. There is alot more to it. Poor players, no money, douglas hogging the wage budget.

I have my doubts about Kelly, but it's not all his fault. We had a nice little unbeaten run not so long ago that has been erased from peoples memories by a few defeats. Norwich have far more talent in their team than us, so do preston. We've lost to a few better teams. Who knows what will happen if MM succeeds and buys the club, things will change, but it shouldn't be a given that Kelly goes.

There is a lot more, of course, but we have to deal with the here and now. I don't think Kelly is going to turn things around. Call it female intution, mumbo-jumbo, whatever, but you can tell when a man is beaten, and there's something about Kelly that tells me that he's perhaps given it all that he can. I personally think it would be unfair to simply sack the guy, and I would like him to be part of the set up, but I don't think he's a manager. Perhaps if the club could have persuaded Graydon to stay, who knows. But again, we're moving onto supposition.

As for the unbeaten streak, we had far too many draws to take advantage of the closeness of the table. There isn't one team I've seen this season, yet, who to me I feel we as a club should not be competing with. However, I have come away from far too many games feeling we aren't good enough. I know we have some crap players, but who else in this division doesn't?

What really gets me is that in the run up before a game, Kelly spends half his time telling us how tough the next game will be. Aren't the opposition a good team? We will be showing them plenty of respect, etc etc etc. This is crap, utter crap. We shouldn't be bigging the other team up, it looks like we've already lost the game then! The previous two managers did it, to some extent. Since administration, our club has been guilty of belittling itself, almost apologetic that we came out of it alive. Surely the club should be grasping this opportunity to move forward, like a transplant patient does, not watching the life and soul slowly drain out. This is why the Walkers has no atmosphere. This is why the fans don't want to go to games.

Having said that, we now go on a 10 match winning run.

And apologies for the Thracianesque rant.

[davieG]

Because shipping the manager out after a bad run over and over again is madness. I'm bored of us forcing managers out on a whim. It's just so fickle. As many have said, a month ago we were up there, now were not, no doubt things will change again at some point (good spells, bad spells, we all have them)

No-one who blames the tactics can prove whether that is kelly's own mistake or whether the playing squad are inept and don't follow instruction. Every City side that i have seen in recent years has had the same problems with concentration and killing off games. I blame the walkers stadium. I may be one of a small brigade but i want Kelly at the helm at the start of the MM era, he deserves a bit of cash to show what he can do.

As for team selection, we all have our views on who should and shouldn't play. Mine differ slightly each match to Kelly's but i'm willing to place some trust in the man who spends his week on the training pitch with them.

Curbishley can stay away, so can an unproven Redknapp, inept Dowie or kidnapped Ranieri.

It might materialise that MM doesn't want Kelly around, in which case i'd respect his professional decision, not the ramblings of armchair managers and champ man fanatics.

Just a thought, aren't your thoughts, ideas, comments just the ramblings of an armchair manager or a champ man fanatic, certainly they're no more valid than anyone elses?

Besides isn't that what forums are for, so there's no need to insult people just because you have different view to them.

PS I'm not in an armchair and I've never played champ man

[TheShrew]

What really gets me is that in the run up before a game, Kelly spends half his time telling us how tough the next game will be. Aren't the opposition a good team? We will be showing them plenty of respect, etc etc etc. This is crap, utter crap. We shouldn't be bigging the other team up, it looks like we've already lost the game then! The previous two managers did it, to some extent. Since administration, our club has been guilty of belittling itself, almost apologetic that we came out of it alive. Surely the club should be grasping this opportunity to move forward, like a transplant patient does, not watching the life and soul slowly drain out. This is why the Walkers has no atmosphere. This is why the fans don't want to go to games.

Having said that, we now go on a 10 match winning run.

And apologies for the Thracianesque rant.

Completely agree with your point about pre-match attitude. I would love to see Kelly come out and say "yeh they're good, but that doesn't mean we won't kick em." That would make my day.

Whatever happens, these are exciting times off the pitch. Let's all hope the future is bright for the club we love.

[Guest]

Completely agree with your point about pre-match attitude. I would love to see Kelly come out and say "yeh they're good, but that doesn't mean we won't kick em." That would make my day.

Whatever happens, these are exciting times off the pitch. Let's all hope the future is bright for the club we love.

I've crossed all my fingers and toes - but then again, I am a freak!

[Monk]

I think even if you look at the games we've won we played some pretty crappy football.

I can only assume that the Hoof football is being directed by RK, it would be OK if we had a big man up front, but we don't.

I applaud Kelly for getting the best out of Kisnorbo, and for dropping Douglas. I also initially applaud him for stating who was not going to play at the start of the season. But we are quite simply not good enough. Last game I went to was QPR and we were abysmal.

That said I am not in favour of any knee jerk decisions from the board. Whilst its clear that long term progression with RK is likely to be limited, I'd rather we got MM in, and shipped in a *proper* manager with experience, and a reputation of attacking football. So for me that means NO to Steve Claridge, Clough, J Redknapp etc. Give me a break if there's one thing we need now its certainty of quality. I will not sit around and watch the board take another chance with another unproven manager just because theyre a 'nice guy' or 'talk sense on tv' or 'the fans love him'. Give me a fking break - get a decent manager in for 5 years. I know its not easy but as a club we need stability and right now we just need to be in a position where we can all be sure that we won't be playing Forest for a long time!

[Thracian]

There is a lot more, of course, but we have to deal with the here and now. I don't think Kelly is going to turn things around. Call it female intution, mumbo-jumbo, whatever, but you can tell when a man is beaten, and there's something about Kelly that tells me that he's perhaps given it all that he can. I personally think it would be unfair to simply sack the guy, and I would like him to be part of the set up, but I don't think he's a manager. Perhaps if the club could have persuaded Graydon to stay, who knows. But again, we're moving onto supposition.

As for the unbeaten streak, we had far too many draws to take advantage of the closeness of the table. There isn't one team I've seen this season, yet, who to me I feel we as a club should not be competing with. However, I have come away from far too many games feeling we aren't good enough. I know we have some crap players, but who else in this division doesn't?

What really gets me is that in the run up before a game, Kelly spends half his time telling us how tough the next game will be. Aren't the opposition a good team? We will be showing them plenty of respect, etc etc etc. This is crap, utter crap. We shouldn't be bigging the other team up, it looks like we've already lost the game then! The previous two managers did it, to some extent. Since administration, our club has been guilty of belittling itself, almost apologetic that we came out of it alive. Surely the club should be grasping this opportunity to move forward, like a transplant patient does, not watching the life and soul slowly drain out. This is why the Walkers has no atmosphere. This is why the fans don't want to go to games.

Having said that, we now go on a 10 match winning run.

And apologies for the Thracianesque rant.

Ignoring the dig at the end - which I suppose I should have expected - I thought that was a bloody good post.

[Kilworthfox]

Not got 1

[TheShrew]

Just a thought, aren't your thoughts, ideas, comments just the ramblings of an armchair manager or a champ man fanatic, certainly they're no more valid than anyone elses?

Besides isn't that what forums are for, so there's no need to insult people just because you have different view to them.

PS I'm not in an armchair and I've never played champ man

I've never claimed my thoughts, ideas or comments are more important than other peoples. I don't consider them to be those of an armchair manager either as i do not claim to know what is best for the club or whether it's the tactics, manager, players or anything else that is causing the problem. I am not a part of the internal structure of LCFC and therefore am oblivious to a vast majority of goings on. This is because all i see are performances on the pitch, press releases and match interviews.

I don't consider my post insulting Sorry if you took offence. It's just very easy for people to think removing a manager is the best option and i'm going to wait and see what MM decides if he buys the club.

[gatesheadfox]

Short memory. Everyone else we tried to talk to, told us where to go. Can't be bothered to look back to February / March, but weren't we all saying 'make Kelly manager now' after the good run that followed Levein's departure.

We are clearly far too negative, but what choices do we have? Sure I like the idea of someone like Nigel Clough, but he has only managed at Conference level

obviously my memory isnt short as we interviewed many managers, some even twice before deciding messing them about was pointless as kelly was the best option (probably money wise than any other reason) i can remember back to feb/march and remember that i stated that he was doing a good job at the time but i never wanted him in the role permanently.

as for clough, can't say he has actually proven himself with any club has he? he may have the same surname as his dad (shock) but jordi cruyff is a key example that brilliance isnt neccessarilly genetic in football

[davieG]

I've never claimed my thoughts, ideas or comments are more important than other peoples. I don't consider them to be those of an armchair manager either as i do not claim to know what is best for the club or whether it's the tactics, manager, players or anything else that is causing the problem. I am not a part of the internal structure of LCFC and therefore am oblivious to a vast majority of goings on. This is because all i see are performances on the pitch, press releases and match interviews.

I don't consider my post insulting Sorry if you took offence. It's just very easy for people to think removing a manager is the best option and i'm going to wait and see what MM decides if he buys the club.

That's your choice and a very worthy one at that and something I shall be doing. But can you honestly say you have never criticised a team selection, player purchase, substition or offered and alternative choice or approach etc to game if you have that makes you an armchair manager just like the rest of the posters on here.

And as I said that is pretty much what the forum is for, as for your comment it wasn't so much offensive as unnecessary and patronising. but don't worry about I'm often accused of the same thing.

[Steven]

None. <_<

[Babylon]

That's your choice and a very worthy one at that and something I shall be doing. But can you honestly say you have never criticised a team selection, player purchase, substition or offered and alternative choice or approach etc to game if you have that makes you an armchair manager just like the rest of the posters on here.

And as I said that is pretty much what the forum is for, as for your comment it wasn't so much offensive as unnecessary and patronising. but don't worry about I'm often accused of the same thing.

You patronising git.

[TheShrew]

That's your choice and a very worthy one at that and something I shall be doing. But can you honestly say you have never criticised a team selection, player purchase, substition or offered and alternative choice or approach etc to game if you have that makes you an armchair manager just like the rest of the posters on here.

And as I said that is pretty much what the forum is for, as for your comment it wasn't so much offensive as unnecessary and patronising. but don't worry about I'm often accused of the same thing.

OK Don't think it was unnecessary though that would be making out that other peoples views are more important than mine . I am not completely void of armchair manager moments. I've had my share. Team selection, who you'd like to see in a city shirt etc are subjects i'm happy to give my bit on. But "Manager out" campaigns really wind me up.

[vanfox12]

I've never claimed my thoughts, ideas or comments are more important than other peoples. I don't consider them to be those of an armchair manager either as i do not claim to know what is best for the club or whether it's the tactics, manager, players or anything else that is causing the problem. I am not a part of the internal structure of LCFC and therefore am oblivious to a vast majority of goings on. This is because all i see are performances on the pitch, press releases and match interviews.

I don't consider my post insulting Sorry if you took offence. It's just very easy for people to think removing a manager is the best option and i'm going to wait and see what MM decides if he buys the club.

If only Mandaric would hurry up with his decision then at least we will know sooner what his plans for the team are.