Joe. Posted 14 March 2007 Share Posted 14 March 2007 There's no point of him going now. We're not going anywhere. Wait til end of season then show him the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfc_jme Posted 15 March 2007 Share Posted 15 March 2007 There's no point of him going now. We're not going anywhere. Wait til end of season then show him the door. There's every point in him going now, and the reason lies in what I have highlighted. Most people are bound to be thinking in the same way as you - he's safe and there's no point in showing him the door because there's nothing left to play for. What does this equate to? Complacency in the ranks. Kick him out. With immediate effect. It'll shake every up and let them know shit will not be tolerated. It'll prevent complacency and it'll get the majority pulling their fingers out and doing the business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Hero Posted 15 March 2007 Share Posted 15 March 2007 For........ the.......... last.............time........ he has 12 month rolling contract. This means it is always 12 months long. 12 months from today. !2 months from the summer in the summer. We will have to pay him 12 months salary to go away. Surely though, if we can prove he's not up to the job, that isn't the case? Or is it? For example, if you get a contractor to do a job, and they demonstrate a complete lack of ability to do it, nor a willingness to learn from mistakes and improve to be in a position to complete the required tasks, you can sack them for nothing and award the contract to someone else? Or not? It's ridiculous, like not being able to sack a footballer on the basis that they can't do their job because they're elvis hammond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 15 March 2007 Share Posted 15 March 2007 Match by match Kelly's record is quite good and far better than many former City managers. However, if it is already felt that he's not the man to lead us into the new era, then the sooner a new man gets the chance to make his own preparations the better, cos we are normally way behind others in that sense. The enduring problem in that direction is who should the replacement be - indeed, who is available to be considered? Mandaric's other concern must be just the nagging consideration that, with his leaership and direction, Kelly is actually quite capable of producing a decent attacking team, and would probably like to do so. By himself, Kelly seems unable to shake off his abiding, instinctive and overwhelming caution. But with Mandaric's by-your-leave, Mandaric's insistence that part of the job is to be positive the question remains, would the guy succeed and, if so, why would you get rid of him?. I'd have no more faith in Curbishley, Pearce, Newell, Holloway or a whole lot of others being any more successful but would probably welcome a class A name and committed attacker. Listening to MM on the radio he seems an excellent communicator. Every bit the larger-than-life but credible personality this club needs. It is not really an option for Kelly to ignore his wishes and I don't think he's a rebel anyway. I'm quite sure Kelly couldn't manage Leicester to success on his own but am not completely sure he couldn't do so in tandem with Mandaric. Kelly has always been a victim of himself as far as style is concerned. He never strikes me as a natural leader. But if the leadership was coming from Mandaric and the technical expertise from Kelly I just wonder... It would be unusual I know - and Kelly still has much to learn as a coach, tactician, man manager, forward thinker etc, etc. But in tandem - this is what I want and this is how I want you to do it - then who knows. I am sure what I say will prooke much argument and disagreement but we all want what's best and it is probably worth just thinking about and chewing over. Particularly if the alternatives are suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He's not bald Posted 15 March 2007 Share Posted 15 March 2007 Match by match Kelly's record is quite good and far better than many former City managers. However, if it is already felt that he's not the man to lead us into the new era, then the sooner a new man gets the chance to make his own preparations the better, cos we are normally way behind others in that sense. The enduring problem in that direction is who should the replacement be - indeed, who is available to be considered? Mandaric's other concern must be just the nagging consideration that, with his leaership and direction, Kelly is actually quite capable of producing a decent attacking team, and would probably like to do so. By himself, Kelly seems unable to shake off his abiding, instinctive and overwhelming caution. But with Mandaric's by-your-leave, Mandaric's insistence that part of the job is to be positive the question remains, would the guy succeed and, if so, why would you get rid of him?. I'd have no more faith in Curbishley, Pearce, Newell, Holloway or a whole lot of others being any more successful but would probably welcome a class A name and committed attacker. Listening to MM on the radio he seems an excellent communicator. Every bit the larger-than-life but credible personality this club needs. It is not really an option for Kelly to ignore his wishes and I don't think he's a rebel anyway. I'm quite sure Kelly couldn't manage Leicester to success on his own but am not completely sure he couldn't do so in tandem with Mandaric. Kelly has always been a victim of himself as far as style is concerned. He never strikes me as a natural leader. But if the leadership was coming from Mandaric and the technical expertise from Kelly I just wonder... It would be unusual I know - and Kelly still has much to learn as a coach, tactician, man manager, forward thinker etc, etc. But in tandem - this is what I want and this is how I want you to do it - then who knows. I am sure what I say will prooke much argument and disagreement but we all want what's best and it is probably worth just thinking about and chewing over. Particularly if the alternatives are suspect. Chewed it over...NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted 15 March 2007 Author Share Posted 15 March 2007 I hope we keep Kelly at the club to be honest. Definately get a new manager in but I think he's earned the right to a coaching job here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 15 March 2007 Share Posted 15 March 2007 Since when did fitness have to do with earning a place in the starting 11? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 15 March 2007 Share Posted 15 March 2007 I hope we keep Kelly at the club to be honest. Definately get a new manager in but I think he's earned the right to a coaching job here. that would be worst than sacking him, totally humiliating. if he's got to go then pay him off and have done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynny Posted 15 March 2007 Share Posted 15 March 2007 I'm quite sure Kelly couldn't manage Leicester to success on his own but am not completely sure he couldn't do so in tandem with Mandaric. Kelly has always been a victim of himself as far as style is concerned. He never strikes me as a natural leader. But if the leadership was coming from Mandaric and the technical expertise from Kelly I just wonder... It would be unusual I know - and Kelly still has much to learn as a coach, tactician, man manager, forward thinker etc, etc. But in tandem - this is what I want and this is how I want you to do it - then who knows. I think Tuesday's second half was already pointing in that direction. However dire a couple of individual performances were, the tactics looked decent. We played with width and an attacking mindset - which I don't actually remember happening in ages. Even when we went 3-0 up at Coventry, we were playing like one of Kelly's teams. I know what you mean... it sounds like a crap idea, but if it works, then it works. Rest of the season to find out, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 15 March 2007 Share Posted 15 March 2007 I think Tuesday's second half was already pointing in that direction. However dire a couple of individual performances were, the tactics looked decent. We played with width and an attacking mindset - which I don't actually remember happening in ages. Even when we went 3-0 up at Coventry, we were playing like one of Kelly's teams. I know what you mean... it sounds like a crap idea, but if it works, then it works. Rest of the season to find out, anyway. And with most of the alternative names being bandied about hardly promising the Great Leap forward... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB11 Posted 15 March 2007 Share Posted 15 March 2007 We need a motivator! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynny Posted 15 March 2007 Share Posted 15 March 2007 And with most of the alternative names being bandied about hardly promising the Great Leap forward... I can't believe Newell's been sacked and people think we should nab him because 'he's done well on poor resources' (RK's hardly rolling in it). Okay his situation is somewhat worse, but he started the season with a few players better than our best. I agree with the sentiment a little up the page, to an extent. I am not doubting that he has done ok on limited resources. But, and my God it is a HUGE but - he is tactically naive. You can bring in the best players you can, but play the wrong tactics and you will get turned over. With Milan telling him to attack, and also with him learning as he goes along, having only managed for a little over a year, we could just about mash something together. Tomorrow we'll probably be completely abject again and this idea will seen silly, but just seeing us attack for 45 minutes has me, if not expectant, then hopeful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 15 March 2007 Share Posted 15 March 2007 ...Now the time has come to leave you One more timeLet me kiss youThen close your eyesIll be on my wayDream about the days to comeWhen I wont have to leave aloneAbout the times, I wont have to sayOh, kiss me and smile for meTell me that youll wait for meHold me like youll never let me gocause Im leavin on a jet planeDont know when Ill be back againOh babe, I hate to goBut, Im leavin on a jet plane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 15 March 2007 Share Posted 15 March 2007 ...Now the time has come to leave you One more timeLet me kiss youThen close your eyesIll be on my wayDream about the days to comeWhen I wont have to leave aloneAbout the times, I wont have to sayOh, kiss me and smile for meTell me that youll wait for meHold me like youll never let me gocause Im leavin on a jet planeDont know when Ill be back againOh babe, I hate to goBut, Im leavin on a jet plane He's got nothing to be big headed about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 15 March 2007 Share Posted 15 March 2007 He's got nothing to be big headed about If you're not humming the song all day tomorrow I'll be disappointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syston_fox Posted 15 March 2007 Share Posted 15 March 2007 We need a motivator! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 16 March 2007 Share Posted 16 March 2007 I can't believe Newell's been sacked and people think we should nab him because 'he's done well on poor resources' (RK's hardly rolling in it). Okay his situation is somewhat worse, but he started the season with a few players better than our best. I agree with the sentiment a little up the page, to an extent. With Milan telling him to attack, and also with him learning as he goes along, having only managed for a little over a year, we could just about mash something together. Tomorrow we'll probably be completely abject again and this idea will seen silly, but just seeing us attack for 45 minutes has me, if not expectant, then hopeful. It's a short straw but worth grabbing if the alternative is going to be people like Stuart Pearce, Tony Adams, Simon Grayson, Bryan Robson or some of the other names bandied about who have offered no indication that they are likely to be successful in the job. We don't want a big name just for its own sake. We want a guy who's going to be a big manager. Assuming Kelly and Mandaric can't hack it together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 16 March 2007 Share Posted 16 March 2007 Edited to add QPR to the title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geo V Posted 16 March 2007 Share Posted 16 March 2007 It's a short straw but worth grabbing if the alternative is going to be people like Stuart Pearce, Tony Adams, Simon Grayson, Bryan Robson or some of the other names bandied about who have offered no indication that they are likely to be successful in the job. We don't want a big name just for its own sake. We want a guy who's going to be a big manager. Assuming Kelly and Mandaric can't hack it together. !! Who can predict the managers that are going to be succesful? The reason why I mention older managers names is because they have experience and have achieved success as managers. Kevin Keegan and Glenn Hoddle are proven managers at more than one club and are a far better bet IMO than an unknown manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatbloke Posted 16 March 2007 Share Posted 16 March 2007 Apexgeo, how come your posts are about 3 miles wider than everyone else`s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB11 Posted 17 March 2007 Share Posted 17 March 2007 If we lose today I'll want him to go but as to whether he will... well probably depends on team's performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royston. Posted 17 March 2007 Share Posted 17 March 2007 Lose today and just another reason in a long list for Milan to sack him. However, we'll win easy today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geo V Posted 17 March 2007 Share Posted 17 March 2007 Apexgeo, how come your posts are about 3 miles wider than everyone else`s I cant see that on my screen mate! Maybe it has something to do with my ignature being quite wide or it could be that I am special ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royston. Posted 17 March 2007 Share Posted 17 March 2007 I cant see that on my screen mate! Maybe it has something to do with my ignature being quite wide or it could be that I am special ! You signature must be wide then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royston. Posted 18 March 2007 Share Posted 18 March 2007 OUT OUT OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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