Madeleine McCann

[Zingari]

Again two totally different cases, different scenario's, one which has more interest due to the fact there is a wider implication and the fact that there were accused and the chances of resolution is quite high, new evidence has been found and it's brought the case back into the spotlight. Another case, where the chances of any resolution is very slim, all hope in many peoples eye's had gone years ago, there's nothing new to the case, so people are going to get fed up by repeat programmes about the same shit, sad but true.

Plus, the difference is the McCans have lost alot of sympathy due to some what might call inappropriate behaviour that lead to Madelienes disapearance. And according to many may have had a hand in her 'missing'.

There's some fooked up people on the planet, either way, stephen lawrence is dead and no justice, maddie is missing and still no justice, millions are being killed no justice

OK , point taken

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nice to see you posting a bit more again ,i thought you'd fell out with us or something

Edited 19 May 2011 by Zingari

[Dr The Singh]

OK , point taken

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nice to see you posting a bit more again ,i thought you'd fell out with us or something

I'm hoping my re-appearance will attract some more poon to the forum, cus it's become a right cock fest in here!!!

[Zingari]

I'm hoping my re-appearance will attract some more poon to the forum, cus it's become a right cock fest in here!!!

i'm confident that if anyone can bring in the poon , you can it might be well dodgy poon , but poon all the same

[ajthefox]

Just been browsing on play and this is their best seller.

What I want to know is whos buying it?

[acooling08]

I wish we could get some good or bad news, obviously I'd rather it be good, to finally put this story to rest.

[Zingari]

Just been browsing on play and this is their best seller.

What I want to know is whos buying it?

larry ( l444ry ) certainly isn't

it seems that he doesn't buy anything the McCanns say

Edited 20 May 2011 by Zingari

[l444ry]

larry ( l444ry ) certainly isn't

it seems that he doesn't buy anything the McCanns say

To quote Goncalo Amaral (the former PJ co-ordinator), this investigation "will be a shot in the foot" for the McCanns, since Scotland Yard has experience in "unmasking fake abductions".

Edited 20 May 2011 by l444ry

[Zingari]

To quote Goncalo Amaral (the former PJ co-ordinator), this investigation "will be a shot in the foot" for the McCanns, since Scotland Yard has experience in "unmasking fake abductions".

just recently found this site

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t14996-mr-amaral

and much of what you have been saying does seem to be gathering some momentum

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it still seems rather strange though that if they do have these influential friends in high places , why they were not advised against this course of action .

Edited 20 May 2011 by Zingari

[Dr The Singh]

just recently found this site

http://missingmadele...14996-mr-amaral

and much of what you have been saying does seem to be gathering some momentum

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it still seems rather strange though that if they do have these influential friends in high places , why they were not advised against this course of action .

It's all propaganda, the portoguese met want to take attention away from them, fearing a backlash from our mets reports. Let the met do there job and sit and wait!!!

[Zingari]

It's all propaganda, the portoguese met want to take attention away from them, fearing a backlash from our mets reports. Let the met do there job and sit and wait!!!

I do tend to agree more with this viewpoint Doc , whilst not being dismissive of larry's

i just think that any conspiracy of these proportions ( if there is one ) would be more likely to have been conducted by an incompetent set of plods rather than a couple with supposedly friends in high places .

That's not to say that i fully accept that the McCanns are innocent , but if they escape justice for the crime ( if they were involved in it ) then i tend towards the cock up theory in this case

But you just never know ............

[l444ry]

I do tend to agree more with this viewpoint Doc , whilst not being dismissive of larry's

i just think that any conspiracy of these proportions ( if there is one ) would be more likely to have been conducted by an incompetent set of plods rather than a couple with supposedly friends in high places .

That's not to say that i fully accept that the McCanns are innocent , but if they escape justice for the crime ( if they were involved in it ) then i tend towards the cock up theory in this case

But you just never know ............

The Madeleine Foundation were trying to get Alan Johnson (ex Home Secretary) to instigate an investigation into this affair. This excerpt makes for interesting reading-:

The involvement of MI5 and possibly MI6, as mentioned by David James Smith in The Times

Another factor which suggests the need for a fully independent re-investigation, if not a public enquiry as we called for in our letter to Gordon Brown in July last year, is the possible involvement of MI5 and MI6 in the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance. David James Smith, in an article in The Times dated 16 December 2007, hinted at this:

“I heard that a PJ officer had been surprised to find a member of MI5 at a UK meeting about the case, and this made him suspicious that shadowy forces could be at work. The Sol journalist Felicia Cabrita mentioned the ‘mysterious Clarence’ - Clarence Mitchell, the former government PR officer turned McCann spokesman - and I was told there was suspicion too about another government official, Sheree Dodd, who had acted as a PR officer for the McCanns briefly in the early days - had she come out from MI6 to help dispose of the body? These theories might seem preposterous, but for those involved in the case in Portugal, they fitted a pattern in which the Portuguese government and in turn the PJ had felt the heavy weight of diplomatic pressure from the UK - a pressure that the police and the journalists very much resented, with its implication that the police were not doing their job properly”.

An independent review should be able to look without fear or favour at the possibility of MI5 or MI6 involvement.

The requirements for a genuinely independent re-investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

We suggest that the following steps should be associated with any re-investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance:

That Dr Kate McCann should agree to answer the 48 key questions that she refused to answer when first interviewed by Portuguese Police on 7 September 2007

That the McCanns and their friends should agree to take part in the reconstruction of events on 3 May that the police requested but which the McCanns and their friends all refused to take part in

That any investigation by British police should not involve Leicestershire Police, which has been thoroughly discredited in this case, not least by its continuous linking of its website to the McCanns’ fund-raising website and the McCanns’ private investigators, despite their very poor reputations as we have seen above

That any re-investigation must look at possible reasons for Madeleine’s disappearance other than just the McCanns’ claim that she was abducted; in particular any re-investigation must pursue all possible lines of enquiry into Mr Amaral’s thesis

That there must be an immediate investigation by an independent police force of the credible claims by Mark Hollingsworth in the Evening Standard that Brian Kennedy and some of his team of investigators intimidated or ‘frightened’ more than one potential witness into refusing to give evidence to the Portuguese police.

Edited 20 May 2011 by l444ry

[Finnegan]

What a fantastic use of millions of Security Services resources!

[Zingari]

The Madeleine Foundation were trying to get Alan Johnson (ex Home Secretary) to instigate an investigation into this affair. This excerpt makes for interesting reading-:

The involvement of MI5 and possibly MI6, as mentioned by David James Smith in The Times

Another factor which suggests the need for a fully independent re-investigation, if not a public enquiry as we called for in our letter to Gordon Brown in July last year, is the possible involvement of MI5 and MI6 in the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance. David James Smith, in an article in The Times dated 16 December 2007, hinted at this:

“I heard that a PJ officer had been surprised to find a member of MI5 at a UK meeting about the case, and this made him suspicious that shadowy forces could be at work. The Sol journalist Felicia Cabrita mentioned the ‘mysterious Clarence’ - Clarence Mitchell, the former government PR officer turned McCann spokesman - and I was told there was suspicion too about another government official, Sheree Dodd, who had acted as a PR officer for the McCanns briefly in the early days - had she come out from MI6 to help dispose of the body? These theories might seem preposterous, but for those involved in the case in Portugal, they fitted a pattern in which the Portuguese government and in turn the PJ had felt the heavy weight of diplomatic pressure from the UK - a pressure that the police and the journalists very much resented, with its implication that the police were not doing their job properly”.

An independent review should be able to look without fear or favour at the possibility of MI5 or MI6 involvement.

The requirements for a genuinely independent re-investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

We suggest that the following steps should be associated with any re-investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance:

That Dr Kate McCann should agree to answer the 48 key questions that she refused to answer when first interviewed by Portuguese Police on 7 September 2007

That the McCanns and their friends should agree to take part in the reconstruction of events on 3 May that the police requested but which the McCanns and their friends all refused to take part in

That any investigation by British police should not involve Leicestershire Police, which has been thoroughly discredited in this case, not least by its continuous linking of its website to the McCanns’ fund-raising website and the McCanns’ private investigators, despite their very poor reputations as we have seen above

That any re-investigation must look at possible reasons for Madeleine’s disappearance other than just the McCanns’ claim that she was abducted; in particular any re-investigation must pursue all possible lines of enquiry into Mr Amaral’s thesis

That there must be an immediate investigation by an independent police force of the credible claims by Mark Hollingsworth in the Evening Standard that Brian Kennedy and some of his team of investigators intimidated or ‘frightened’ more than one potential witness into refusing to give evidence to the Portuguese police.

Yes it does indeed make for very interesting reading larry and is not without possible credibility , but it uses a lot of the old trick words of " hints , shadowy forces , possible involvement etc )

Where is David James Smith getting all this from about MI5/MI6 involvement ?

I think it would be as impossible to investigate MI5 / MI6 as it is to investigate the CIA , anything can be covered up by those agencies . Probable dead end , but worth a go

Again , i really do admire your diligence and you may be proven eventually to be right, , but in any case, the world needs more of your kind whether or not you are right in this particular instance .

You never know , maybe one day you may begin to suspect something may be amiss with the official 911 story and that not everyone who believes there was some sort of cover up, all believe in lizard folk too

[Jon the Hat]

Call me cynical, but it most cases of cover-ups, there is no grand plan or conspiracy at work, just plain old screw ups, and people trying to hide their incompetence.

[Jon the Hat]

To quote Goncalo Amaral (the former PJ co-ordinator), this investigation "will be a shot in the foot" for the McCanns, since Scotland Yard has experience in "unmasking fake abductions".

Which begs the question as to why they would ask for such an investigation if they were guilty of such a thing! If they were involved they would have left it well alone by now.

Edited 20 May 2011 by Jon the Hat

[l444ry]

Which begs the question as to why they would ask for such an investigation if they were guilty of such a thing! If they were involved they would have left it well alone by now.

They don't want a full investigation, that's the problem. They only want an "investigation" based on the abduction theory.

[Zingari]

i bet the McCanns didn't expect the Spaniel Inquisition

Edited 20 May 2011 by Zingari

[Finnegan]

NOBODY EXPECTS THE... wait...

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

To quote Goncalo Amaral (the former PJ co-ordinator), this investigation "will be a shot in the foot" for the McCanns, since Scotland Yard has experience in "unmasking fake abductions".

Which zoo did you escape from?

[ozleicester]

NOBODY EXPECTS THE... wait...

[l444ry]

Which zoo did you escape from?

I'm busy now. Can I ignore you some other time?

[Nick]

They don't want a full investigation, that's the problem. They only want an "investigation" based on the abduction theory.

Utter, utter bollocks.

[l444ry]

Utter, utter bollocks.

If that's the level of your debate why enter it? On what do you base your rude and ignorant comment?

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

If that's the level of your debate why enter it? On what do you base your rude and ignorant comment?

Give a monkey nuts, and it will swallow them. You must be full up by now.!

[Zingari]

Utter, utter bollocks.

Are you referring to the quality of the video and it's content ( maybe so) or the possibility of the McCann's involvement ?

larry is putting forward some good / interesting and well argued stuff for us who may be interested to think about .

He may be right he may be wrong i certainly don't know , and i'm suprised there seem to be so many who are so sure they know the truth , ( Actually , no i'm not at all surprised by this on second thoughts )

Sorry , but I think he deserves a little more explanation or not to comment at all