Fez of Mahrez Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 It's a moot point. There's no way Kaebi will play central midfield for us and he wouldn't have to if we signed a bloody Dutch international central midfielder!! F**k's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 Thracian you don't get caps for your National team for nothing I beat four or five national champions at squash, including the one from Holland. It didn't mean I was any good. And I'm quite sure that getting two football caps for Holland over close on 10 years is not going to convince me of anything. But Manwell might ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 Fair enough You still have a point though Levis never played a competitve game as centre mid and Gawd knows what we're going to do with Kaabi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyh1884 Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 But that was at a time when he was doing well for Bolton But is he a good player? Had a good spell, won 1 England cap & then went back to being a dog. Had a lot of injuries too, but essentially got a call when no-one else was around. That doesn't make him a good player. Hence, you don't have to be a great player to get National caps, you can get them for being the only person available at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUHILL Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 Would like to see a midfield of... Hendrie---Clemence---Kishikev---Kaebi Backup... Hayes/Porter---Weso---Hellings---Newton Still not world beaters but definately a shot at top 6 with that starting 4 i would hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 If Janssen's record of games and goals convinces you it certainly doesn't convince me. But if you seen him play I'd be well interested in your opinion as to what qualities he has which will make him good enough to stake a first choice place in our central midfield. His goals to games ratio is what impresses me, as I know to discount alot of his early career, as he was complete and utter garbage when he first started playing. I remember wondering why Vittese persisted in bringing him on. However, I don't watch it as much as I used to but I understand he is one of the most improved players in the Erdevesie in the past couple of years, his passing has come on leaps and bounds and he is now scoreing goals. We are after all signing the 25 year old Theo Janssen not the 19 year old Theo Janssen. So judgeing him on the 90 odd apperances he made six - seven - eight years ago is unfair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 I beat four or five national champions at squash, including the one from Holland. It didn't mean I was any good.And I'm quite sure that getting two football caps for Holland over close on 10 years is not going to convince me of anything. But Manwell might ... Close on 10 years! For f**k's sake, he's 25!! Levi should be captaining England by now if he was meant to be in contention for an international cap from the age of 16! And congratulations on your wonderful victories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUHILL Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 Would like to see a midfield of...Hendrie---Clemence---Kishikev---Kaebi Backup... Hayes/Porter---Weso---Hellings---Newton Still not world beaters but definately a shot at top 6 with that starting 4 i would hope Oh and throw in this Dutch guy too that everyone is arguing about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUHILL Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 I beat four or five national champions at squash, including the one from Holland. It didn't mean I was any good.And I'm quite sure that getting two football caps for Holland over close on 10 years is not going to convince me of anything. But Manwell might ... Ooo does this mean we can all start boasting about our own sporting careers, love it how you slipped that one in there Thrac.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 The thing you have to understand about Thracian is that he can dismiss a whole career in one of the best leagues in Europe because Levi scored a couple of goals in training yesterday and looked "Napoleonic" once while playing in central midfield for the reserves. I think I must be in a bad mood today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 I havn't heard or read anywhere about Kaebi playing in the centre of midfield?? Please correct me if i'm wrong Thrac???How you can theink Weso, Clemence, Porter and Kaebi are a suitable four to compete for that central role and get us promoted is ridiculous and further demonstrates a real weakness in your footballing knowledge. I'd refer you to Manwell's confirmation that Kaebi's does/has played central midfield and you've only to see the clips to see that he seems to do it rather well. And I'd have no problem with any of the other three you mentioned in midfield, together with Kishishev and, of course, Hellings who someone mentioned and would also seem to be a central midfield alternative. I didn't say anything about whether those players would get us promoted - just that I didn't see the need for another, not necessarily better midfielder, when we have other priorities that need seeing to. As for "footballing knowledge" I've never claimed any special knowledge in the sense of Manwell's encyclopaedic knowledge of all sorts of players from all over the world and which he well knows I respect. My interest is in coaching and tactics, in analysing players' strengths and weaknesses and what's needed to mould different players into good teams. Even in that you never stop learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 Close on 10 years! For f**k's sake, he's 25!! Levi should be captaining England by now if he was meant to be in contention for an international cap from the age of 16!And congratulations on your wonderful victories. They weren't wonderful - that was the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 The thing you have to understand about Thracian is that he can dismiss a whole career in one of the best leagues in Europe because Levi scored a couple of goals in training yesterday and looked "Napoleonic" once while playing in central midfield for the reserves.I think I must be in a bad mood today. It is a Wednesday. Horrid day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe. Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 As for "footballing knowledge" I've never claimed any special knowledge in the sense of Manwell's encyclopaedic knowledge of all sorts of players from all over the world and which he well knows I respect. I long for the day I beat Manwell at 'Missing Men'. One day, one day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUHILL Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 I'd refer you to Manwell's confirmation that Kaebi's does/has played central midfield and you've only to see the clips to see that he seems to do it rather well.And I'd have no problem with any of the other three you mentioned in midfield, together with Kishishev and, of course, Hellings who someone mentioned and would also seem to be a central midfield alternative. I didn't say anything about whether those players would get us promoted - just that I didn't see the need for another, not necessarily better midfielder, when we have other priorities that need seeing to. As for "footballing knowledge" I've never claimed any special knowledge in the sense of Manwell's encyclopaedic knowledge of all sorts of players from all over the world and which he well knows I respect. My interest is in coaching and tactics, in analysing players' strengths and weaknesses and what's needed to mould different players into good teams. Even in that you never stop learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 Buying Ka'abi to play him CM because he's made a few runs through midfield would be as bad as playing Porter up front just cos he's scored a couple of goals. It's a complete non-starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUHILL Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 I'd refer you to Manwell's confirmation that Kaebi's does/has played central midfield and you've only to see the clips to see that he seems to do it rather well.And I'd have no problem with any of the other three you mentioned in midfield, together with Kishishev and, of course, Hellings who someone mentioned and would also seem to be a central midfield alternative. I didn't say anything about whether those players would get us promoted - just that I didn't see the need for another, not necessarily better midfielder, when we have other priorities that need seeing to. As for "footballing knowledge" I've never claimed any special knowledge in the sense of Manwell's encyclopaedic knowledge of all sorts of players from all over the world and which he well knows I respect. My interest is in coaching and tactics, in analysing players' strengths and weaknesses and what's needed to mould different players into good teams. Even in that you never stop learning. Surely promotion is our aim though, so if you do not think that midfield would get us promoted which It seems you are implying, then surely you would welcome further players in those positions. I am fully aware that we need another striker and a left back, however, I am also aware that we should never stop looking for players in any positions, that can perhaps benefit us in some way and push us in to the Prem. To re-create the success that Sunderland, Brum and Derby had last year, I am quite convinced we will need a better CM player than Porter. At this stage in his career, he is surely not able to be a top Central Midfielder in the Championship which is what will be required if we are to compete at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 Buying Ka'abi to play him CM because he's made a few runs through midfield would be as bad as playing Porter up front just cos he's scored a couple of goals. It's a complete non-starter. You need to think about the bigger picture...you're stuck on 640x480 while we have all moved on to 1600x1200 - and in that picture Clemence plays centre forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 His goals to games ratio is what impresses me, as I know to discount alot of his early career, as he was complete and utter garbage when he first started playing. I remember wondering why Vittese persisted in bringing him on. However, I don't watch it as much as I used to but I understand he is one of the most improved players in the Erdevesie in the past couple of years, his passing has come on leaps and bounds and he is now scoreing goals. We are after all signing the 25 year old Theo Janssen not the 19 year old Theo Janssen. So judgeing him on the 90 odd apperances he made six - seven - eight years ago is unfair That's at least interesting to know and reminds me a little of Ipswich Town's successful turning to Dutchmen like Arnold Muhren and Frans Thijssen in the 70's/80's. And it's a lot more solid than just suggesting that a bloke with an iffy scoring record, two Dutch caps and who plays fewer than 30 games a season on average should somehow become our seventh central midfielder. If Janssen gets 7/10 goals a season from midifeld I'll be delighted because we definitely need a scoring midfielder. But even if we do get the "modern" Janssen, a big if, I still wonder why we need three spare midfielders when some positions look so thin. Perhaps the weekend will offer some pointers. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Reverend Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 Sounds like a decent player to me. You have to be decent to get caps for your national team (especially the Dutch national team), hes scored a few goals, and if left sided/footed, something we lack. Get him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molson Canadian Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 from skysports: http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=4...+GO+DUTCH+AGAIN FOXES MAY GO DUTCH AGAIN By Gerrit van Leeuwen - Created on 11 Jul 2007 Vitesse Arnhem midfielder Theo Janssen claims he is wanted by Leicester City. New Foxes boss Martin Allen has been active in the transfer market since taking over at the Walkers Stadium and is already into double figures for new signings. Birmingham City duo Stephen Clemence and DJ Campbell are close to joining Leicester, while Janssen could be another addition to the ranks. Janssen, who was linked with Sunderland at the end of last season, feels it is '50-50' that he will head to the Championship club. "Leicester have asked about me," Janssen told De Gelderlander. "I have a little bit of a double feeling. Last year it was announced that I had played my last match in a Vitesse shirt, therefore it is strange I am now here (for training). "The club is looking to get a fresh wind and I suppose it is maybe better to leave the club. "That club (Leicester) have contacted me. What I have heard is Leicester has got a new owner. He wants to invest in the club. "Currently, Leicester is playing in the Championship. It depends on what the club wants to do with me and in which role they see me. If that is okay, this story could get a good end. "I guess it's a 50-50 chance that something will happen there. I extended my deal not so long ago for two seasons and therefore I could not leave the club for free. "There are also some other options. It's not that I want to leave Vitesse at all costs, there is nothing bad to Vitesse." If Leicester follow up an interest in Janssen, he would become the club's second Dutch signing of the summer after Sergio Hellings was brought in from AGOVV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 Surely promotion is our aim though, so if you do not think that midfield would get us promoted which It seems you are implying, then surely you would welcome further players in those positions. I am fully aware that we need another striker and a left back, however, I am also aware that we should never stop looking for players in any positions, that can perhaps benefit us in some way and push us in to the Prem. To re-create the success that Sunderland, Brum and Derby had last year, I am quite convinced we will need a better CM player than Porter. At this stage in his career, he is surely not able to be a top Central Midfielder in the Championship which is what will be required if we are to compete at the top. You may be right that we'll need a better central midfield player than Porter - I just couldn't see one in a Leicester shirt yesterday. But with Kaebi, Clemence, perhaps even Janssen to come you never know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUHILL Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 Sounds a very interesting player actually. It is always a bit iffy with these kind of unknown foreign players. We do need a left sided, creative, free-kick specialist kind of player though, so if he ticks all those then i'm more than happy to have him on board. Left back, plus a striker and we are just about there...as long as Clemence deal really is done. Ooh im all excited, all this transfer gossip and happenings has taken its toll on me, i will be glad when we have our team sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mort Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 Fall back in place of Hendrie IMHO, probably cheaper and less of an attitude... if we can confirm the deals for Clem and Campbell, then sign Janssen (don't see the point in persisting with the likes of Hendrie) if possible, I think we're pretty much set. Still be happy to see the likes of Lisbie and C.Jensen brought in, and if at all possible Fowler, but i wouldn't want Fowler brought in instead of Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasyls Pec Deck Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 People obviously think Porters really something then...come on, be serious, doubt he'll get that near the first 11 this season to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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