Reserves Player Ratings v WBA (Lost 6-1)

[teblin]

I can't quite understand what you're saying about Ferreira.

In what way is the management to blame for Ferreira not getting picked?

He was picked for the reserves until his injury and has hardly been a shining light.

No king though, think you might get your wish!

[kaebifan]

is this official ratings or just your analysis on the match Thracian??

BTW Kaebi had slight injury problem be4 the match aswell but coach still played him. Maybe thats why he didn't play well. He will play better when he is back fit.

[Lillehamring]

Ferriera has featured in 3 games for the reserves from between the 10th and 24th of September, and thats after he was at the club for 10 days and would have had plenty of training during the International break. In that time we have played Porter on the left v QPR, Sheehan v Florist and Sheehan again against Charlton. His injury occurred on the 24th of Sept and he could of but didn't feature in any of those games. Just like Kaebi, he for some reason isn't being picked. Lets not make it out to be because of injury as we had plenty of time to play him and I am not the only one to query why we would get players like this in and see them on the bench when the likes of Sheehan and Levi have hardly set the world alight on the left of midfield.

by all accounts, ferreira has been, at best, embarrasingly unfit, at worse, a headless chicken - above and beyond that, he isn't, and so far no one has produced anything to suggest it, a left winger.

based on megsons current shape, with wing backs, he is even less likely to occupy the current mattock role, especially as mattock was many peoples MOM on saturday.

perhaps more interesting and more valid would be to consider hayes' return, given the weakness of our central 3.

as an aside Geo, although i love yr banter with thrac, i think you're wrong to suggest he was wearing those shades yesterday looking at his ratings, - perhaps you have taken to wearing grey tinted glasses?

[teblin]

The players you've mentioned have been in action lots of times. If you've not seen them that's hardly anyone's fault but your own and, presumably, the distance you live away from Leicestershire.

Kaebi for instance has not had "one poor game". He was all over the place first half against Wolves Reserves and arguably had one good game a couple of weeks later. Taking all the games together including tonight's I'm not convinced at all and am virtually certain that Megson won't be.

Porter has hardly played this season, Sheehan might have "let the side down" at Charlton and Palace though no more than the centre-backs at Charlton when, in any case, the whole team sounded awful.

Otherwise he's scored two goals and made one in a succession of good results including our cup game against Forest which has since led us on to a prestige visit to Chelsea. So he's done his bit.

Mattock had a 10 minute spell of "letting the side down" against Blackpool and was excellent against Villa and QPR so he's done fine too. The four or five shockers you mention don't exist and certainly not when their performances are laid out against others who've occasionally let us down.

There may be better alternatives to be found for most of our players including the youngsters you are so quick to condemn but so far, King perhaps excepted, I've not seen them in Leicester shirts.

And as for our batch of summertime signings I'm underwhelmed. N'Gotty, Clemence, Kishishev are fine. Hayes and Chambers might come through, Sappleton's a decent gamble and Fulop on loan is a Godsend. Otherwise I doubt I'd have bothered with any of them.

I know he didn't play last night but how bad has hellings been? As i notice he wasn't in the squad last night either.

[Kilworthfox]

Listen people!

Ferreira even before he got injured was NOT fit enough for the 1st team.

Kaebi is only fit for an attacking right midfielder role.

You cannot just stick these guys in because of reputation else we would play Cort every week!

[Thracian]

is this official ratings or just your analysis on the match Thracian??

BTW Kaebi had slight injury problem be4 the match aswell but coach still played him. Maybe thats why he didn't play well. He will play better when he is back fit.

It must have been more than a slight injury by the way their winger was going by him but be that as it may I'm just the messenger describing last night's performance.

And I'm feeling as disappointed as anyone cos I honestly though HK was getting close to a chance on the first team bench as an attacking right midfielder.

But last night all the evidence pointed the wrong way.

He'll just have to get himself right and start again.

PS: I don't think anyone else's ratings, official or otherwise, would improve matters.

[Manwell Pablo]

is this official ratings or just your analysis on the match Thracian??

BTW Kaebi had slight injury problem be4 the match aswell but coach still played him. Maybe thats why he didn't play well. He will play better when he is back fit.

To answear your question (as Thracian seems unable as usual to give you a straight one) No that isn't an offical rating, I should imagine an offical rating would be one or two points higher.

But by all accounts it sounds like he didn't have a good game tonight and has picked up an injury. Shame really alot of us would like to see him in our first team squad.

[Geo V]

by all accounts, ferreira has been, at best, embarrasingly unfit, at worse, a headless chicken - above and beyond that, he isn't, and so far no one has produced anything to suggest it, a left winger.

based on megsons current shape, with wing backs, he is even less likely to occupy the current mattock role, especially as mattock was many peoples MOM on saturday.

perhaps more interesting and more valid would be to consider hayes' return, given the weakness of our central 3.

as an aside Geo, although i love yr banter with thrac, i think you're wrong to suggest he was wearing those shades yesterday looking at his ratings, - perhaps you have taken to wearing grey tinted glasses?

I wasnt commenting on Thracs ratings yesterday, the rose-tinted glasses comment was made as an overall view on how Thrac seems to assess the club including youth players. Its like they can do no wrong at all.

As for Ferreira and Kaebi, I cant remember anyone coming out to tell us either was unfit when many on this forum we were scratching our heads. There has been a huge clammer for both players inclusion largely on repuation or what we have heard from supporters of Kaebi in particular but all I have personally said is lets see them in the first team and make judgment, especially as those who are filling the current roles in the team at the moment are hardly excelling!

[Fez of Mahrez]

Kaebi will do okay given chance.

One awful game in a dreadful team performance and now he's not ready? Sheehan was awful against Charlton in a dreadful team performance but you still bemoaned his exclusion against QPR.

As soon as he's fit, get him in the 16.

[davieG]

I wasnt commenting on Thracs ratings yesterday, the rose-tinted glasses comment was made as an overall view on how Thrac seems to assess the club including youth players. Its like they can do no wrong at all.

As for Ferreira and Kaebi, I cant remember anyone coming out to tell us either was unfit when many on this forum we were scratching our heads. There has been a huge clammer for both players inclusion largely on repuation or what we have heard from supporters of Kaebi in particular but all I have personally said is lets see them in the first team and make judgment, especially as those who are filling the current roles in the team at the moment are hardly excelling!

You've not been reading the posts then because it has been consistently reported by many attending the reserves that Ferreira is unfit.

As for Kaebi he's blown hot and cold from the games i've seen he's gone from awful and undisciplined, in terms of defensive play to maybe worth a chance as an attacking midfielder in a 4 man midfield to a below average performance at fullback before going off injured. Many have suggested that his best position appears to be the wingman in a 4 man midfield, a bit difficult when we only seem to be playing 2/3 there.

[Thracian]

To answear your question (as Thracian seems unable as usual to give you a straight one) No that isn't an offical rating, I should imagine an offical rating would be one or two points higher.

But by all accounts it sounds like he didn't have a good game tonight and has picked up an injury. Shame really alot of us would like to see him in our first team squad.

If "official" ratings would be one or two points higher it would be interesting to know what for. He only played for 35 minutes during which we went behind and WBA were slicing through our right flank like a butcher's blade.

Exactly why I should mark a guy down who I've really thought and hoped might be first team material escapes me. But if the fans want fiction and want to see him in the tam anyway, whatever, why not give him a 10.

In fact, if I remember I'll give HK a special MP adjusted rating every week. What about Djeziri? Does he want a 10 as well? Nothing like making it a bit harder for the others, eh?

[Manwell Pablo]

If "official" ratings would be one or two points higher it would be interesting to know what for. He only played for 35 minutes during which we went behind and WBA were slicing through our right flank like a butcher's blade.

Exactly why I should mark a guy down who I've really thought and hoped might be first team material escapes me. But if the fans want fiction and want to see him in the tam anyway, whatever, why not give him a 10.

In fact, if I remember I'll give HK a special MP adjusted rating every week. What about Djeziri? Does he want a 10 as well? Nothing like making it a bit harder for the others, eh?

Put your knickers back on, I was making the point that offical ratings never give anyone lower than a 4. 3 at the worst.

Although a certain Alan Sheehan did manager to get a 7 and be praised as our best defender once even though he cost us a goal got sliced apart and then proceded to get sent off.

[RowlattsFox]

Kaebi was awful last night, he wasnt interested at all. He was half-hearted in the tackle, he kept drifting inside leaving Sherjill Macdonald on his own and his control was poor. Maybe he was carrying an injury but he didnt look in too much discomfort during the time he was on the pitch or when he was coming off. The cynical side of me said to my dad that he was making it up so he could come off because he looked like he didnt want to be there last night.

I'm not saying he's not good enough to play for first team but playing like that he isnt going to impress the management, right-midfield should be his best postition but it wouldnt suprise me if Megson hasnt even thought about playing him there.

[Geo V]

You've not been reading the posts then because it has been consistently reported by many attending the reserves that Ferreira is unfit.

As for Kaebi he's blown hot and cold from the games i've seen he's gone from awful and undisciplined, in terms of defensive play to maybe worth a chance as an attacking midfielder in a 4 man midfield to a below average performance at fullback before going off injured. Many have suggested that his best position appears to be the wingman in a 4 man midfield, a bit difficult when we only seem to be playing 2/3 there.

We have an overload of players at right-back but at right-mid have had a problem for ages including playing central midfielders like Hughes out there. This season its been Hume, Newton, Chambers and even DJ attacking from the right and I cant see why Kaebi has been left out of the squad when he was seemingly fit. He is here, getting paid and its a problem position so why not pick him?

[Thracian]

Kaebi was awful last night, he wasnt interested at all. He was half-hearted in the tackle, he kept drifting inside leaving Sherjill Macdonald on his own and his control was poor. Maybe he was carrying an injury but he didnt look in too much discomfort during the time he was on the pitch or when he was coming off. The cynical side of me said to my dad that he was making it up so he could come off because he looked like he didnt want to be there last night.

I'm not saying he's not good enough to play for first team but playing like that he isnt going to impress the management, right-midfield should be his best postition but it wouldnt suprise me if Megson hasnt even thought about playing him there.

You're as bad as that Thracian bloke. Totally biased. How the hell can a fellow expect to get into the first team if people knock him? Interesting what you said about his injury.

[Kilworthfox]

You're as bad as that Thracian bloke. Totally biased. How the hell can a fellow expect to get into the first team if people knock him? Interesting what you said about his injury.

Well done for those commenting who were actually there last night

Also by going to watch the reserves I believe that Kaebi and Ferreira, (because they played International football before) should be in the squad regardless of their injured status.

[Manwell Pablo]

You're as bad as that Thracian bloke. Totally biased. How the hell can a fellow expect to get into the first team if people knock him? Interesting what you said about his injury.

The point people are trying to make to you is that it's one bad performance, in a bad team performance. And he's looked good up until now and could of been carrying a knock. So therefore hanging him out to dry probabley isn't the best idea.

[Ric Flair]

Let's be honest though, this is a lad who's only 21 and has already played in excess of 50 times for his country. Ok, so they aren't a nation that are world beaters. But to amount 50 caps by the time your 21, means your a player with special ability. We beat off Premiership opposition to the signature of the lad and then we stick him in the reserves. We then pack our first team with a mis-match of defenders and yet he still doesn't get a game. I could forgive him for being a little disillusioned.

I've seen him a couple of times for the reserves this season and he's impressed me going forward. His tackling is often very precise but positionally, he's a liability. Right back, he is not. Not in this country, where we perhaps play different systems to the Middle East. But he's got raw talent that should be utilised in our team. We aren't exactly blessed with creativity right now. If Megson is going to persist with wingbacks, i'd be tempted to have Kaebi either at right wing-back or in the central midfield so then there's cover from Chambers in either position. Going forward he'll hurt teams at this level, we're never going to get enough points to make any strides in this division without some flair players in our side.

[davieG]

We have an overload of players at right-back but at right-mid have had a problem for ages including playing central midfielders like Hughes out there. This season its been Hume, Newton, Chambers and even DJ attacking from the right and I cant see why Kaebi has been left out of the squad when he was seemingly fit. He is here, getting paid and its a problem position so why not pick him?

Err because we no longer play with a 4 man midfield.

[Geo V]

Let's be honest though, this is a lad who's only 21 and has already played in excess of 50 times for his country. Ok, so they aren't a nation that are world beaters. But to amount 50 caps by the time your 21, means your a player with special ability. We beat off Premiership opposition to the signature of the lad and then we stick him in the reserves. We then pack our first team with a mis-match of defenders and yet he still doesn't get a game. I could forgive him for being a little disillusioned.

I've seen him a couple of times for the reserves this season and he's impressed me going forward. His tackling is often very precise but positionally, he's a liability. Right back, he is not. Not in this country, where we perhaps play different systems to the Middle East. But he's got raw talent that should be utilised in our team. We aren't exactly blessed with creativity right now. If Megson is going to persist with wingbacks, i'd be tempted to have Kaebi either at right wing-back or in the central midfield so then there's cover from Chambers in either position. Going forward he'll hurt teams at this level, we're never going to get enough points to make any strides in this division without some flair players in our side.

Apparently Kaebi is used to playing in front of 60,000 people so being brought to a second tier English club and to be kept out of the team by two managers and playing in front of a couple of hundred people must be getting to him. Also playing amongst a bunch of kids isn't going to improve his game too much and if fit and if we still have not sorted the right-mid position, surely he could get the chance to show us what he can do in the first team?

[Dames]

He won't be given a chance.

He can't speak english and he sometimes neglects his defensive dutys.

Not Megsons type of player.

[Geo V]

He won't be given a chance.

He can't speak english and he sometimes neglects his defensive dutys.

Not Megsons type of player.

Its at times like this that I wish MM would actually adopt his media persona and take charge of the first team and play Kaebi

[brez]

Oh dear 6 - 1 & our keeper played well i would of been better off not knowing that

You are right - that sounds strange.

[Thracian]

Apparently Kaebi is used to playing in front of 60,000 people so being brought to a second tier English club and to be kept out of the team by two managers and playing in front of a couple of hundred people must be getting to him. Also playing amongst a bunch of kids isn't going to improve his game too much and if fit and if we still have not sorted the right-mid position, surely he could get the chance to show us what he can do in the first team?

Why limit yourself so? Why not give yourself an hour and see exactly how many excuses you can put together? Either that or we should order 60,000 cardboard cut-out fans for reserves matches.

"Second tier" Leicester City and playing with youngsters didn't do for Kaebi last night. Sherill Macdonald and co were to blame. And if I'd come on here saying Porter was less than he best cos he hadn't got the 23,000 Walkers fans to inspire him or that he hadn't got good enough people around him you'd have mocked me for weeks.

When and if Kaebi shows himself good enough for first team consideration I'm sure some of us who watch will mention it and Megson will notice.

[Fez of Mahrez]

Why limit yourself so? Why not give yourself an hour and see exactly how many excuses you can put together? Either that or we should order 60,000 cardboard cut-out fans for reserves matches.

"Second tier" Leicester City and playing with youngsters didn't do for Kaebi last night. Sherill Macdonald and co were to blame. And if I'd come on here saying Porter was less than he best cos he hadn't got the 23,000 Walkers fans to inspire him or that he hadn't got good enough people around him you'd have mocked me for weeks.

When and if Kaebi shows himself good enough for first team consideration I'm sure some of us who watch will mention it and Megson will notice.

You say stuff like that all the time. Even last night we had the "more assistance and less responsibility" line.

Oh well, we'll see what Andy King's like at sitting on a bench tonight.

As for the last line, I refer you to your own quote a couple of days ago that Kaebi wouldn't let anyone down if selected for the first team. And I'm just going to chuckle at the notion that your thoughts have any influence on our first-team manager whatsoever!