Get behind the lads

[breadandcheese]

I think Holloway was absolutely right.

We were down to the bare bones yesterday. We had kids out there, who let's face it, are not exaclty experienced in playing in front of a frustrated home crowd. It's all very good saying kids have no fear, but let's see how quickly their fear grows when they play in front of an unsupportive moaning home crowd. I personally believe that when you've got this many young players in the team, we have to be more supportive and understanding.

With regards Cort, the guy stepped off the treatment table because we had no one else who could play yesterday. He put his hand up and said I'll play, when he could have easily said, I'm struggling boss, I'm not fit enough. In fact, if I'd suffered the injuries he's had, I probably would have shirked it for fear of aggravating the injury. Granted, he didn't play well, and hasn't performed for us, but he was prepared to go out half-fit, in the knowledge that he's not a crowd favourite and was always going to be a target for abuse. For that, the abuse was totally unwarranted.

Spot on Holloway. I like this man.

[Fez of Mahrez]

You can carry on pretending everything is hunky-dory just because Holloway says so and we've got kids in the team. After all, you wouldn't want to hurt their feelings would you? They're only earning c.£5k a week to turn up once/twice a week at most. If they can't handle the pressure, they should f**k off. People like Halloway and Joey Barton should stop and realise who they are playing for. Leicester City Football Club would be nowhere without its paying and loyal fans. We have a right to express our feelings - whether they be positive in the form of cheering or negative in the form of jeering. Players like Hume, Fryatt, Clemence, N'Gotty, Campbell etc etc don't get booed off when they are subbed - and it's because at least they put the effort on the pitch and look like they care. Players like Newton and Cort who do nothing and look like they can't be arsed shouldn't be immune to criticism because 'it hurts their feelings' or it hurts the feelings of the manager. Welcome to real life. As for Cort being injured and having done no training for weeks - maybe Holloway should have thought about how his immobility would affect the team?

Sorry, but if you can't see the real picture you're as blinkered as Holloway - and at least Halloway has an excuse as he's only been here a week. Cort has been woeful all season (like many), and when he doesn't appear to put the effort in then he can be sarcastically cheered (cos that's what it was) or booed for all I care.

And as for your "f**k off and support someone else' comment - really childish isn't it? There's no right answer on this issue - nobody can ever PROVE if it will make any difference if we CHEER Cort as opposed to JEER him - so how can you say that it's Holloway or the highway?

Still, you've got your minions/buddies on here who dare not disagree with a word you say - carry out cheering the likes of Newton and Cort. I won't.

You're contradicting yourself. Either he was poor because he wasn't fit or he was poor because he wasn't putting the effort in. You can't ask a player who's done no training for two weeks to be chasing balls down like Fryatt and Hume do (when fully fit themselves).

Who did you want out there yesterday for us? Everyone was injured for ****'s sake. Newton and Cort were withdrawn and the only other options put on and we looked no better than when they were on!

I despise the way certain players are scapegoated and then as soon as they do something wrong they are booed to the rafters. It's completely nonsensical. It's easy to say there's no right answer on this but the atmosphere has been this way ever since we were last relegated from the Premiership and what has it achieved? Sooner or later we'll run out of proven quality players at this level and the fans will be forced to look at themselves.

I am as frustrated as anyone by the poor home displays but we look best when we are supporting the team. If they win a couple of corners or free-kicks in quick succession at the Kop end, the Kop has shown it can respond - Birmingham last season, Cardiff on Monday - and we put some real pressure on. Yesterday it didn't happen, we had underperforming players and inexperienced youngsters who just weren't capable of it on the day but it gives me no pleasure to boo individual players. I pay my money to enjoy the games and I intend to make the most out of them.

Players who genuinely can't be bothered are frustrating but yesterday Carl Cort didn't fall into that category, he was a player incredibly short of match fitness and probably shouldn't have been playing at all - and he was just another poor player in a poor team as a whole.

As much as people can whinge about their right to boo players, I can state my belief that our crowd are part of the problem.

It's not about people agreeing with me, it's about as many people as possible buying into what Holloway is trying to achieve here. There are so many positives to draw from the last eight days that it seems total folly to ignore the excellent performance at Bristol City and the introduction of many promising youngsters in favour of the same old negativity. We might as well have carried on with Kelly if we're not going to back the team (in an injury crisis) under a new manager.

If you're intent on booing anyone for his performance then it should be Holloway for picking him and if we've got to the stage where we're booing a new manager for one selection less than two weeks into his City career then we've sunk lower than I imagined possible.

[City Lad]

Josh Low, Elvis Hammond, Shaun Newton and Carl Cort. All Leicester fans seem to do is find players to blame the whole situation the club is in on. Every year there seems to be a new 'target' and these are the players who are trying to live up to the stupid expectation from the fans of promotion every year. Yes, they get paid enough money to be able to cope with it but if we want them to start performing, maybe we can back them with cheering and not just big attendances? And if you think they have played poorly than just dont clap them as they leave the pitch.

I think Ollie said something along these lines but, what must these players think (below), coming through the ranks and seeing a player who once played in the Premiership getting that treatment.

City: Fulop, Stearman, Kisnorbo, McAuley, Sheehan, Newton (Chambers A 60), King, Clemence ©, Hayes (N'Gotty 87), Hume, Cort (Sappleton 66). Subs not used: Kenton, Maybury.

[reynard]

You can carry on pretending everything is hunky-dory just because Holloway says so and we've got kids in the team. After all, you wouldn't want to hurt their feelings would you? They're only earning c.£5k a week to turn up once/twice a week at most. If they can't handle the pressure, they should f**k off. People like Halloway and Joey Barton should stop and realise who they are playing for. Leicester City Football Club would be nowhere without its paying and loyal fans. We have a right to express our feelings - whether they be positive in the form of cheering or negative in the form of jeering. Players like Hume, Fryatt, Clemence, N'Gotty, Campbell etc etc don't get booed off when they are subbed - and it's because at least they put the effort on the pitch and look like they care. Players like Newton and Cort who do nothing and look like they can't be arsed shouldn't be immune to criticism because 'it hurts their feelings' or it hurts the feelings of the manager. Welcome to real life. As for Cort being injured and having done no training for weeks - maybe Holloway should have thought about how his immobility would affect the team?

Sorry, but if you can't see the real picture you're as blinkered as Holloway - and at least Halloway has an excuse as he's only been here a week. Cort has been woeful all season (like many), and when he doesn't appear to put the effort in then he can be sarcastically cheered (cos that's what it was) or booed for all I care.

And as for your "f**k off and support someone else' comment - really childish isn't it? There's no right answer on this issue - nobody can ever PROVE if it will make any difference if we CHEER Cort as opposed to JEER him - so how can you say that it's Holloway or the highway?

Still, you've got your minions/buddies on here who dare not disagree with a word you say - carry out cheering the likes of Newton and Cort. I won't.

Oh dear. This reads like a post from someone who gets a little upset if anyone dares to criticise them or suggest they may be wrong. A little like players must feel for being consistently booed all the time even sometimes when their names are read out before the start of a match. The sound of booing by the way is distinctive from the sound of ironic cheering and yesterday was without doubt a booing sound. Holloway is completely correct in his approach. Any manager in any line of business is an idiot if they don't publicly support their employees. Yes it is frustrating that we aren't playing as well as Arsenal but by creating a hostile environment in our own backyard cannot help our players (many of limited ability) to play better. You could express your frustration by writing personally to MR.Holloway or indeed by the most clear cut form of protest which is by staying away thus withholding your money. I accept that people have the right to express their opinion I just which that more people would take a more considered and thoughtful approach. I don't know whether you have ever worked anywhere where you have not felt appreciated or valued. Unfortuanately I have and I don't think those that are in that sort of position feel inspired to try harder or do better.

[Rich Fox]

As ive already said in here im not happy him blaming the fans for yesterdays performance and if you cut out all the bullxxit then thats what hes done. Leicester were crap on saturday it was a penalty maybe a bit harsh but they deserved to win end ov and to blame the fans is a disgrace, i realy think holloway is the man for city though but he should take it on the chin otherwize get out of management and become a politician.

[00rawat]

I was at the at yesterday game and I did boo Carl Cort because he did not even try or put in the effort and if Ian Hume can jump and win the ball then why cant Cort win the ball even being much more taller then Hume. I don't understand Cort.

[Kilworthfox]

I was at the at yesterday game and I did boo Carl Court because he did not even try or put in the effort and if Ian Hume can jump and win the ball then why cant Court win the ball even being much more taller then Hume. I don't understand Court.

Because Hume puts effort in.

good point

[davieG]

I was at the at yesterday game and I did boo Carl Court because he did not even try or put in the effort and if Ian Hume can jump and win the ball then why cant Court win the ball even being much more taller then Hume. I don't understand Court.

If you're going to mention his name 3 times in a short passage can you at least remember his name is Cort.

[Simon]

You're contradicting yourself. Either he was poor because he wasn't fit or he was poor because he wasn't putting the effort in. You can't ask a player who's done no training for two weeks to be chasing balls down like Fryatt and Hume do (when fully fit themselves).

Who did you want out there yesterday for us? Everyone was injured for ****'s sake. Newton and Cort were withdrawn and the only other options put on and we looked no better than when they were on!

I despise the way certain players are scapegoated and then as soon as they do something wrong they are booed to the rafters. It's completely nonsensical. It's easy to say there's no right answer on this but the atmosphere has been this way ever since we were last relegated from the Premiership and what has it achieved? Sooner or later we'll run out of proven quality players at this level and the fans will be forced to look at themselves.

I am as frustrated as anyone by the poor home displays but we look best when we are supporting the team. If they win a couple of corners or free-kicks in quick succession at the Kop end, the Kop has shown it can respond - Birmingham last season, Cardiff on Monday - and we put some real pressure on. Yesterday it didn't happen, we had underperforming players and inexperienced youngsters who just weren't capable of it on the day but it gives me no pleasure to boo individual players. I pay my money to enjoy the games and I intend to make the most out of them.

Players who genuinely can't be bothered are frustrating but yesterday Carl Cort didn't fall into that category, he was a player incredibly short of match fitness and probably shouldn't have been playing at all - and he was just another poor player in a poor team as a whole.

As much as people can whinge about their right to boo players, I can state my belief that our crowd are part of the problem.

It's not about people agreeing with me, it's about as many people as possible buying into what Holloway is trying to achieve here. There are so many positives to draw from the last eight days that it seems total folly to ignore the excellent performance at Bristol City and the introduction of many promising youngsters in favour of the same old negativity. We might as well have carried on with Kelly if we're not going to back the team (in an injury crisis) under a new manager.

If you're intent on booing anyone for his performance then it should be Holloway for picking him and if we've got to the stage where we're booing a new manager for one selection less than two weeks into his City career then we've sunk lower than I imagined possible.

Top post Fez.

Everything I think about this situation is summed up perfectly here. I don't think I can add any more.

[00rawat]

If you're going to mention his name 3 times in a short passage can you at least remember his name is Cort.

Oh yeah sorry did not see that edited it just now hope you happy .

[Thracian]

Yeah! Let's create the same negative atmosphere that has plagued us for years now and make sure the Walkers continues to be an awful place to play for our players!

Holloway is dead right about this. We have lots of young players in our first team squad and they are making a good impression so far. We need to create an atmosphere that they can thrive in.

Stop whinging about paying your money. If you're not prepared to support and encourage the team then **** off and "support" someone else.

It's Holloway or the highway from now on.

If I thought there was any chance of that happening you might have a point but there isn't.

There will never be blind support as a general norm at Leicester and it is nieve to think differently.

There were dozens of people around me who didn't boo at all on Saturday - cos they weren't at the game. Their seats were empty. Looking elsewhere they weren't the only ones who could take or leave Leicester football.

You and people like Wils mean well - I might even wish your views would prevail - but the real responsibility for such widespread disenchantment lies with the club and the club has to change.

There have been some pathetic excuses for our run of successive dreadful seasons - including such crap as the ground being cursed - and none of em start to ring true nor, more important, do they start to solve our problems.

When our club publicly promises quality then apparently makes Mickey Mouse signings without doing proper research into the players I consider it a piss take.

And when they sign people with a long history of injury problems and pay top wages to people who can't get in the team then criticism and even inner discontent is inevitable - and understandable.

When a club has so many managers in such a short time there's also bound to be disquiet.

And when a manager picks players who aren't properly fit he opens himself up to inevitable criticism.

In these and so many other ways (like communication) Our club beats itself half the time and for further example you only have to look at the problem of our right wing.

EVERYONE knew we needed a right midfielder and have done for seasons. With the arrival of MM and his money we sat back and waited for his arrival.

And what happened? Along came Sean Newton as first choice and off went Max Gradel on loan!.

Now Uncle Tom Cobleigh and all are being cited as City right wingers - people who aren't fit, have hardly been seen, have never been wingers or who have never shown themselves good enough for the first team anyway. It's pure comedy.

Meanwhile Gradel, a fast, goalscoring/goalmaking specialist winger carries on playing his football at Bournemouth.

I'm sorry Fez but the criticism isn't going away until this club stops making excuses, stops scoring own goals and starts to do the right things for the right reasons.

And I'd say the shedding of at least 10 members of our squad as quickly as possible would be the first step towards doing that, followed by the signing of three or four fit and genuinely good quality replacements.

Players who can really help the young players you mention because, thus far, there's not been nearly enough quality or leadership from senior professionals around those youngsters.

I do think N'Gotty and Clemence have tried but that's not enough and was never going to be.

[davieG]

Oh yeah sorry did not see that edited it just now hope you happy .

Delirious

[Bellend Sebastian]

A little like players must feel for being consistently booed all the time even sometimes when their names are read out before the start of a match. The sound of booing by the way is distinctive from the sound of ironic cheering and yesterday was without doubt a booing sound. Holloway is completely correct in his approach. Any manager in any line of business is an idiot if they don't publicly support their employees. Yes it is frustrating that we aren't playing as well as Arsenal but by creating a hostile environment in our own backyard cannot help our players (many of limited ability) to play better. You could express your frustration by writing personally to MR.Holloway or indeed by the most clear cut form of protest which is by staying away thus withholding your money. I accept that people have the right to express their opinion I just which that more people would take a more considered and thoughtful approach. I don't know whether you have ever worked anywhere where you have not felt appreciated or valued. Unfortuanately I have and I don't think those that are in that sort of position feel inspired to try harder or do better.

Reflects my feelings exactly.

I also resent the assertion from some of the so-called supporters on here that suggest that by not booing underperforming players you are somehow suggesting that nothing is amiss and are effectively approving of underachievement. Not booing players isn't that at all - it's not making a problem worse and as a supporter becoming part of that problem.

[Fez of Mahrez]

If I thought there was any chance of that happening you might have a point but there isn't.

There will never be blind support as a general norm at Leicester and it is nieve to think differently.

There were dozens of people around me who didn't boo at all on Saturday - cos they weren't at the game. Their seats were empty. Looking elsewhere they weren't the only ones who could take or leave Leicester football.

You and people like Wils mean well - I might even wish your views would prevail - but the real responsibility for such widespread disenchantment lies with the club and the club has to change.

There have been some pathetic excuses for our run of successive dreadful seasons - including such crap as the ground being cursed - and none of em start to ring true nor, more important, do they start to solve our problems.

When our club publicly promises quality then apparently makes Mickey Mouse signings without doing proper research into the players I consider it a piss take.

And when they sign people with a long history of injury problems and pay top wages to people who can't get in the team then criticism and even inner discontent is inevitable - and understandable.

When a club has so many managers in such a short time there's also bound to be disquiet.

And when a manager picks players who aren't properly fit he opens himself up to inevitable criticism.

In these and so many other ways (like communication) Our club beats itself half the time and for further example you only have to look at the problem of our right wing.

EVERYONE knew we needed a right midfielder and have done for seasons. With the arrival of MM and his money we sat back and waited for his arrival.

And what happened? Along came Sean Newton as first choice and off went Max Gradel on loan!.

Now Uncle Tom Cobleigh and all are being cited as City right wingers - people who aren't fit, have hardly been seen, have never been wingers or who have never shown themselves good enough for the first team anyway. It's pure comedy.

Meanwhile Gradel, a fast, goalscoring/goalmaking specialist winger carries on playing his football at Bournemouth.

I'm sorry Fez but the criticism isn't going away until this club stops making excuses, stops scoring own goals and starts to do the right things for the right reasons.

And I'd say the shedding of at least 10 members of our squad as quickly as possible would be the first step towards doing that, followed by the signing of three or four fit and genuinely good quality replacements.

Players who can really help the young players you mention because, thus far, there's not been nearly enough quality or leadership from senior professionals around those youngsters.

I do think N'Gotty and Clemence have tried but that's not enough and was never going to be.

That's all well and good but there's nothing I can do about any of that. This season has been a circus so far and we all have our opinions on what could have been done better but all you can offer when you're in that stadium is to support your team.

There is plenty of criticism you can level at the club, and I will be as willing to do that as anyone, but we're having a discussion about whether it is in the best interests of the club to boo individual players and whether we are creating the right atmosphere for a team which is still finding its feet amid new expectations and an influx of youngsters.

[Foxy1984]

You're contradicting yourself. Either he was poor because he wasn't fit or he was poor because he wasn't putting the effort in. You can't ask a player who's done no training for two weeks to be chasing balls down like Fryatt and Hume do (when fully fit themselves).

Who did you want out there yesterday for us? Everyone was injured for ****'s sake. Newton and Cort were withdrawn and the only other options put on and we looked no better than when they were on!

I despise the way certain players are scapegoated and then as soon as they do something wrong they are booed to the rafters. It's completely nonsensical. It's easy to say there's no right answer on this but the atmosphere has been this way ever since we were last relegated from the Premiership and what has it achieved? Sooner or later we'll run out of proven quality players at this level and the fans will be forced to look at themselves.

I am as frustrated as anyone by the poor home displays but we look best when we are supporting the team. If they win a couple of corners or free-kicks in quick succession at the Kop end, the Kop has shown it can respond - Birmingham last season, Cardiff on Monday - and we put some real pressure on. Yesterday it didn't happen, we had underperforming players and inexperienced youngsters who just weren't capable of it on the day but it gives me no pleasure to boo individual players. I pay my money to enjoy the games and I intend to make the most out of them.

Players who genuinely can't be bothered are frustrating but yesterday Carl Cort didn't fall into that category, he was a player incredibly short of match fitness and probably shouldn't have been playing at all - and he was just another poor player in a poor team as a whole.

As much as people can whinge about their right to boo players, I can state my belief that our crowd are part of the problem.

It's not about people agreeing with me, it's about as many people as possible buying into what Holloway is trying to achieve here. There are so many positives to draw from the last eight days that it seems total folly to ignore the excellent performance at Bristol City and the introduction of many promising youngsters in favour of the same old negativity. We might as well have carried on with Kelly if we're not going to back the team (in an injury crisis) under a new manager.

If you're intent on booing anyone for his performance then it should be Holloway for picking him and if we've got to the stage where we're booing a new manager for one selection less than two weeks into his City career then we've sunk lower than I imagined possible.

Well said

[Raj]

Holloway sounded really upset with the booing of the Cort today.

Good on him for standing up to the boo boys. He spoke his mind after the game and I hope people listen.

I didn't boo, and listening to him made me feel ashamed of our fans!

It is is exasperating watching Leicester at times - today was one of them - but booing individual players will not help. It knocks confidence.

Get behind the lads!!!

As ive said(probably too many times already!0 I dont agree with Booiong players.

Ive done it i the past so fair enough to people who do now.

But it really does no one any good.

It doesnt help the player,the team,the general vibe of the crowd and you heard what the Manager thought about it didnt you?

Listen,we've been crap for years.

We have crap players,we are lumbered with them .You think people will buy them in Jan...you are joking!

They are City players and until some twat buys them we are stuck with them,so we have to get the best out of them.

To be fair Cort could have played the injured card,like im sure many are.

But he played,when he didnt have to,so deserves some credit.

He WAS shit,but others were too.

Others can do NO wrong can they???

[WetFlannel]

As ive said(probably too many times already!0 I dont agree with Booiong players.

Ive done it i the past so fair enough to people who do now.

But it really does no one any good.

It doesnt help the player,the team,the general vibe of the crowd and you heard what the Manager thought about it didnt you?

Listen,we've been crap for years.

We have crap players,we are lumbered with them .You think people will buy them in Jan...you are joking!

They are City players and until some twat buys them we are stuck with them,so we have to get the best out of them.

To be fair Cort could have played the injured card,like im sure many are.

But he played,when he didnt have to,so deserves some credit.

He WAS shit,but others were too.

Others can do NO wrong can they???

Cristriano Ronaldo??? in some cases it can, others it cant...

[Jack]

Cristriano Ronaldo??? in some cases it can, others it cant...

How did Cort and Cristiano Ronaldo ever get mentioned in the same thread

[davieG]

Cristriano Ronaldo??? in some cases it can, others it cant...

That's already been cited as an example and proved inappropriate for the simple reasons it's not his own club's fans booing him.

[Thracian]

That's all well and good but there's nothing I can do about any of that. This season has been a circus so far and we all have our opinions on what could have been done better but all you can offer when you're in that stadium is to support your team.

There is plenty of criticism you can level at the club, and I will be as willing to do that as anyone, but we're having a discussion about whether it is in the best interests of the club to boo individual players and whether we are creating the right atmosphere for a team which is still finding its feet amid new expectations and an influx of youngsters.

Although I never resort to booing players I'm not sure it is easy to be certain what effect it might have. IF and I only say IF the booing galvanised Cort it might be deemed extremely positive. And if it also determined Holloway not to use an unfit player ever again - for the player's sake and the team's - then that too might be a bonus.

[Raj]

Cristriano Ronaldo??? in some cases it can, others it cant...

Ronaldo was getting shite from Away fans not from his own.

And he was only getting Booed cos of the fear factor more than hate!

[Simi]

Cristriano Ronaldo??? in some cases it can, others it cant...

Especially after the World Cup, the United fans loved him more.

A large bunch of United fans don't follow the England team.

[gosfox]

I remember a certain Sir Les Ferdinand becoming a Leicester Legend in the twylight of his career, basically because of the effort and commitment he showed every time he stepped on the field for Leicester..... The time when Sir Les, the ball, the goalkeeper and two defenders all ended up in the back of the net after one of sir Les's attempts to reach a cross says it all really. This guy virtually had to be carried ON to the field on a stretcher!!!!!

The same goes for Stevie Walsh who played the last few seasons for Leicester with the type of worn out body that most people would struggle to even walk with!

Whilst I dont particularly condone booing of individual players I can see the reason why it happens..... frustration at watching pretty dire fare most weeks for the last three seasons at least.

Ian Holloway seems a genuine kind of bloke to me and I hope he is at LCFC for many years to come, but I feel he has made a mistake in critising the fans the way he did. Managers and players come and go but the fans are forever.... I would suggest that many of the fans at yesterdays game were first brought to watch Leicester by their fathers and their fathers before them. While no-one has a divine right to expect to win every game, or play in the top divisions supporters do and should expect commitment from their team. There are certain members who do show commitment and it doesn't need me to say who they are......but if the others were to show even half of the commitment and passion of the two guys I spoke about earlier in this post, then the booing would become a thing of the past.

[WetFlannel]

Ian Holloway seems a genuine kind of bloke to me and I hope he is at LCFC for many years to come, but I feel he has made a mistake in critising the fans the way he did. Managers and players come and go but the fans are forever.... I would suggest that many of the fans at yesterdays game were first brought to watch Leicester by their fathers and their fathers before them.

to be fair to Ollie, he has to defend his players and cant exactly say its good... i think he was right to do this, yet i think we were right to boo

[Stevosevic]

His comments about Cort were ridiculous really. See the sig...