Get behind the lads

[Kilworthfox]

Saturday was a new low for the ignorant twats that "support" City. Booing a player, irony or not, during a match is no way to improve our situation.

Assholes.

Just **** off, the club doesn't need you.

Foxes!

How about Sterman?

[Alexikokopops]

I love how these topics always crop up after we've lost a game.

We'll win our next match and the play-off topics will spring up again.

[Kilworthfox]

When a Referee gets booed does it improve his Refereing ability?

Poor referees think of their feelings

[Kilworthfox]

"It's funny what motivates you. I'm a bit like that myself. I don't really like being patted on the back, I think you find out more about yourself when you're up against it "

Ian Holloway

[Dames]

We'll win our next match and the play-off topics will spring up again.

Its a never ending circle.

[Thracian]

When a Referee gets booed does it improve his Refereing ability?

Poor referees think of their feelings

Referees don't have feelings!

[mancunianfox]

Saturday was a really good example of why we are so poor at home wasn't it? if I was a professional footballer the Walkers is one of the last places I would want to play thirty matches a season.

[Thracian]

Saturday was a really good example of why we are so poor at home wasn't it? if I was a professional footballer the Walkers is one of the last places I would want to play thirty matches a season.

Which probably goes some way towards explaining why you're not a professional footballer.

Leicester fans are what they are. They love Rambo-types who will tackle anything that moves but grumble when they inevitably get sent off.

They profess to want skillful players but curse out loud whenever they lose the ball through trying something.

And yet, there's been genuine appreciation for Fulop, Kisnorbo, Sheehan, Wesolowski and even the likes of King, Fryatt, Chambers and Clemence on occasions.

The key is consistent effort.

And if people are perceived not to be 100% committed the Leicester fans are on their backs pronto.

Seems to me that the solution's simple. The manager shouldn't pick players who are unfit and then the players would have no excuse for not giving their all.

And, in Newton's case, that includes chasing lost causes when a team-mate has misplaced a pass. He makes far too many mistakes himself to take an attitude about others.

New professionals should relish playing at Leicester. So long as they give their all it's a pretty fair bet they'll be an improvement on the people they replace.

[mancunianfox]

Which probably goes some way towards explaining why you're not a professional footballer.

Leicester fans are what they are. They love Rambo-types who will tackle anything that moves but grumble when they inevitably get sent off.

They profess to want skillful players but curse out loud whenever they lose the ball through trying something.

And yet, there's been genuine appreciation for Fulop, Kisnorbo, Sheehan, Wesolowski and even the likes of King, Fryatt, Chambers and Clemence on occasions.

The key is consistent effort.

And if people are perceived not to be 100% committed the Leicester fans are on their backs pronto.

Seems to me that the solution's simple. The manager shouldn't pick players who are unfit and then the players would have no excuse for not giving their all.

And, in Newton's case, that includes chasing lost causes when a team-mate has misplaced a pass. He makes far too many mistakes himself to take an attitude about others.

New professionals should relish playing at Leicester. So long as they give their all it's a pretty fair bet they'll be an improvement on the people they replace.

Well it wouldn't take me very long at all to explain why I am not a professional footballer! I understand what you mean by the type of player our supporters like but it is a fact that our away form and our home form have been completely opposite for the past few seasons. I am not one for overplaying the role of supporters but I am starting to think that it could be a large part of the reason why we are very good away from home and so bad at home. If we had a s**t squad as some people think we do, how are we very good away from home? That doesn't add up.

[Smudge]

I heard the interview after the match and have just watched the so called press conference. Holloway doesn't have interviews or conferences, he makes speeches. Interesting and concerning that all he talked about was "The worst penalty decision I have seen in my life" and the jeering of Carl Cort.

Tw@t refs and moronic behaviour is something he'll have to live with and not make them excuses for inconsistant performances.

I can see his point of view in their regard but making it these two issues the centerpoint of his post game thoughts undermines the real problems which are self evident. In so saying I think that was a less than honest performance and I hope we aren't back to the "Smashing lads syndrome."

[davieG]

Well it wouldn't take me very long at all to explain why I am not a professional footballer! I understand what you mean by the type of player our supporters like but it is a fact that our away form and our home form have been completely opposite for the past few seasons. I am not one for overplaying the role of supporters but I am starting to think that it could be a large part of the reason why we are very good away from home and so bad at home. If we had a s**t squad as some people think we do, how are we very good away from home? That doesn't add up.

Well I wouldn't say we were very good away from home we are average at best with W2 D5 L1 GF8 GA6 record it just shows that we're better at defending, it just seems better because we haven't lost many - teams in the top 7 places are averaging 4 wins away from home, that's what I'd call good!

It's also not a million miles different to our home form of W2 D4 L4 GF9 GA8.

The bottom line is that we are either not good enough to be in the top half or we are under-performing, home & away.

[Thracian]

I heard the interview after the match and have just watched the so called press conference. Holloway doesn't have interviews or conferences, he makes speeches. Interesting and concerning that all he talked about was "The worst penalty decision I have seen in my life" and the jeering of Carl Cort.

Tw@t refs and moronic behaviour is something he'll have to live with and not make them excuses for inconsistant performances.

I can see his point of view in their regard but making it these two issues the centerpoint of his post game thoughts undermines the real problems which are self evident. In so saying I think that was a less than honest performance and I hope we aren't back to the "Smashing lads syndrome."

Having just watched the match highlights I'm not at all sure he has a case with the penalty. It was harsh that a good contest should be decided by a very tight decision with Southampton having lost the ball and not being immediately likely to get it back but the replay shows - at least to me - that the referee might well have been technically right.

The ball looked to be handled inside the area. It was spinning severely out of the box towards a Southampton player when Clemence did handle it and did effectively control it whether deliberately or not.

Yes it's still debatable but given the benefit of a slow motion replay (which the referee didn't have) there's every chance the ref was right and, in any case, if Holloway's never seen a worse decision then he's either been very lucky or he's had his eyes closed.

As you say there were lots of other reasons we lost, mostly concerning with things we didn't do.

[mancunianfox]

Well I wouldn't say we were very good away from home we are average at best with W2 D5 L1 GF8 GA6 record it just shows that we're better at defending, it just seems better because we haven't lost many - teams in the top 7 places are averaging 4 wins away from home, that's what I'd call good!

It's also not a million miles different to our home form of W2 D4 L4 GF9 GA8.

The bottom line is that we are either not good enough to be in the top half or we are under-performing, home & away.

Our form was mismatched heavily last season. We finished 23rd in the league on home form (only Luton were worse) and we had about the 7th best away form.

This season we are 20th form based on home form but have played the more games at home than those beneath us and 11th in the away table (but we have played one of two less away games than most other teams). Given the games in hand of those teams beneath us it is fair to assume that we have been the worst team in the division at home this season.

Pl W D L GF GA Pts

1 Watford 9 6 1 2 19 12 7 19

2 Burnley 10 5 3 2 15 11 4 18

3 Charlton Athletic 9 5 2 2 11 8 3 17

4 West Bromwich 10 4 2 4 19 14 5 14

5 Sheffield United 10 4 2 4 13 12 1 14

5 Plymouth Argyle 9 4 2 3 13 12 1 14

7 Stoke City 9 3 4 2 12 10 2 13

8 Coventry City 9 4 1 4 12 12 0 13

9 Bristol City 9 3 4 2 9 12 -3 13

10 Southampton 10 4 0 6 15 23 -8 12

11 Leicester City 8 2 5 1 8 6 2 11

12 Cardiff City 9 2 5 2 12 13 -1 11

Pl W D L GF GA Pts

12 Southampton 9 4 2 3 12 13 -1 14

13 Sheffield United 9 3 4 2 14 11 3 13

14 Preston North End 9 3 4 2 9 7 2 13

15 Sheffield Wednesday 10 4 0 6 12 13 -1 12

16 Coventry City 10 3 3 4 9 16 -7 12

17 S****horpe United 9 3 2 4 13 14 -1 11

18 Norwich City 9 3 2 4 10 12 -2 11

19 Crystal Palace 10 2 5 3 12 15 -3 11

20 Leicester City 10 2 4 4 9 8 1 10

21 Burnley 8 2 4 2 11 11 0 10

21 Colchester United 9 2 4 3 16 16 0 10

23 Cardiff City 9 2 3 4 10 12 -2 9

24 Queens Park Rangers 9 2 3 4 6 11 -5 9

Source: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/cha...ome-record.html

[Daggers]

How about Sterman?

You'll remember then how I said I wasn't proud of my boozy actions at the end of the Burnley game - I was a twat, which will come as no surprise to anyone that knows me. I'm man enough to hold my hands up and say so and get on with life.

I have absolutely no intention of ranting like that again.

My stupidity was due to being pissed...what is everyones excuse from Saturday then?

[Bert]

You'll remember then how I said I wasn't proud of my boozy actions at the end of the Burnley game - I was a twat, which will come as no surprise to anyone that knows me. I'm man enough to hold my hands up and say so and get on with life.

I have absolutely no intention of ranting like that again.

My stupidity was due to being pissed...what is everyones excuse from Saturday then?

We were all pissed.

[davieG]

Our form was mismatched heavily last season. We finished 23rd in the league on home form (only Luton were worse) and we had about the 7th best away form.

This season we are 20th form based on home form but have played the more games at home than those beneath us and 11th in the away table (but we have played one of two less away games than most other teams). Given the games in hand of those teams beneath us it is fair to assume that we have been the worst team in the division at home this season.

Pl W D L GF GA Pts

1 Watford 9 6 1 2 19 12 7 19

2 Burnley 10 5 3 2 15 11 4 18

3 Charlton Athletic 9 5 2 2 11 8 3 17

4 West Bromwich 10 4 2 4 19 14 5 14

5 Sheffield United 10 4 2 4 13 12 1 14

5 Plymouth Argyle 9 4 2 3 13 12 1 14

7 Stoke City 9 3 4 2 12 10 2 13

8 Coventry City 9 4 1 4 12 12 0 13

9 Bristol City 9 3 4 2 9 12 -3 13

10 Southampton 10 4 0 6 15 23 -8 12

11 Leicester City 8 2 5 1 8 6 2 11

12 Cardiff City 9 2 5 2 12 13 -1 11

Pl W D L GF GA Pts

12 Southampton 9 4 2 3 12 13 -1 14

13 Sheffield United 9 3 4 2 14 11 3 13

14 Preston North End 9 3 4 2 9 7 2 13

15 Sheffield Wednesday 10 4 0 6 12 13 -1 12

16 Coventry City 10 3 3 4 9 16 -7 12

17 S****horpe United 9 3 2 4 13 14 -1 11

18 Norwich City 9 3 2 4 10 12 -2 11

19 Crystal Palace 10 2 5 3 12 15 -3 11

20 Leicester City 10 2 4 4 9 8 1 10

21 Burnley 8 2 4 2 11 11 0 10

21 Colchester United 9 2 4 3 16 16 0 10

23 Cardiff City 9 2 3 4 10 12 -2 9

24 Queens Park Rangers 9 2 3 4 6 11 -5 9

Source: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/cha...ome-record.html

I don't doubt our home form is the worse I was questioning the description of our away form as 'very good', I don't believe it is.

[Sods]

1 Watford 9 6 1 2 19 12 7 19

2 Burnley 10 5 3 2 15 11 4 18

3 Charlton Athletic 9 5 2 2 11 8 3 17

4 West Bromwich 10 4 2 4 19 14 5 14

5 Sheffield United 10 4 2 4 13 12 1 14

5 Plymouth Argyle 9 4 2 3 13 12 1 14

7 Stoke City 9 3 4 2 12 10 2 13

8 Coventry City 9 4 1 4 12 12 0 13

9 Bristol City 9 3 4 2 9 12 -3 13

10 Southampton 10 4 0 6 15 23 -8 12

11 Leicester City 8 2 5 1 8 6 2 11

12 Cardiff City 9 2 5 2 12 13 -1 11

Pl W D L GF GA Pts

12 Southampton 9 4 2 3 12 13 -1 14

13 Sheffield United 9 3 4 2 14 11 3 13

14 Preston North End 9 3 4 2 9 7 2 13

15 Sheffield Wednesday 10 4 0 6 12 13 -1 12

16 Coventry City 10 3 3 4 9 16 -7 12

17 S****horpe United 9 3 2 4 13 14 -1 11

18 Norwich City 9 3 2 4 10 12 -2 11

19 Crystal Palace 10 2 5 3 12 15 -3 11

20 Leicester City 10 2 4 4 9 8 1 10

21 Burnley 8 2 4 2 11 11 0 10

21 Colchester United 9 2 4 3 16 16 0 10

23 Cardiff City 9 2 3 4 10 12 -2 9

24 Queens Park Rangers 9 2 3 4 6 11 -5 9

So if we have had 11 points in our home form instead of 11 in our away. We would still be only 17th. How strange.

[mancunianfox]

I don't doubt our home form is the worse I was questioning the description of our away form as 'very good', I don't believe it is.

Well its 'very good' compared to our home form We have played less games away than other teams and if we win at Burnley (which I naively expect us to) we will have the 5th/6th best away form. I would consider that to be good for a team in the bottom half of the division.

[mancunianfox]

Aaah so you've dropped the 'very' then

yes you may call me pedantic dave

Well spotted. Very good would be 1st/2nd so it wasn't really appropriate to use that.

[Floating Fox]

Very much an attidude of this at the walkers from my experiences:

[Thracian]

Well it wouldn't take me very long at all to explain why I am not a professional footballer! I understand what you mean by the type of player our supporters like but it is a fact that our away form and our home form have been completely opposite for the past few seasons. I am not one for overplaying the role of supporters but I am starting to think that it could be a large part of the reason why we are very good away from home and so bad at home. If we had a s**t squad as some people think we do, how are we very good away from home? That doesn't add up.

It is down to players confidence and the atmosphere within the ground.

The one goes with the other.

If our players had the confidence that comes from scoring goals and winning matches, Newton would never have blasted that early chance home Saturday because Hume would already have clipped it into the net beforehand.

We would have been a goal up and our crowd would have been buzzing.

The problem then would have been to sustain the lead and that's another thing missing at the moment.

We don't have enough belief in ourselves to keep pressing forward and finish opponents off. Holloway needs to get that feeling instilled into people's heads - not just that we want to be the best but that we ARE the best and will bloody well prove it.

It's an attitude that's missing at Leicester. I noticed it most when our reserves lost 3-1 to Hinckley in the County Cup. Our response was so flat. We should have been fired up big time and prepared to die to get our pride back. Instead I've never been so ashamed to wear a City shirt.

We even looked unfit and I felt that on Saturday with the first team too, as was clearly the case in at least one instance, from what Holloway said.

It's something I cannot understand. Those players should not just be fit but super fit. Instead they go out, do all these warm-up and yet there's 10 of em at any time on the treatment table. What's it all about?

With all the records available you can soon see the people who are tough enough to be footballers. Managers should recognise them and leave those who can't hack it to find work as wine waiters.

Besides if a team plays properly and moves the ball fast enough there's not nearly as much chance of getting injured as when they don't. Getting hurt by an opponent's tackle is the worst sin cos what the hell are players doing to let an opponent get so close?

I'm not joking either. I watched Kaebi last week. He had a chance on the edge of the box. He turned his man cleverly to the left and I thought he'd have a shot or pass. But no. Instead he turned the guy to the right, then the left, then the right by which time my eyes were spinning like clackers and the opponent just stood still and walked away with the ball.

If I'd ever put my muscles through that I'd have needed 15 minutes to untangle them.

We have to realise that you break opponents by passing the ball so quickly and accurately that they make mistakes and you do that by being fit enough, fast enough and strong enough to win the ball more often than them in the first place and to make that advantage tell.

When that's the case we'll have attitude and when we have attitude we'll have no trouble winning at home.

[mancunianfox]

It is down to players confidence and the atmosphere within the ground.

The one goes with the other.

If our players had the confidence that comes from scoring goals and winning matches, Newton would never have blasted that early chance home Saturday because Hume would already have clipped it into the net beforehand.

We would have been a goal up and our crowd would have been buzzing.

The problem then would have been to sustain the lead and that's another thing missing at the moment.

We don't have enough belief in ourselves to keep pressing forward and finish opponents off. Holloway needs to get that feeling instilled into people's heads - not just that we want to be the best but that we ARE the best and will bloody well prove it.

It's an attitude that's missing at Leicester. I noticed it most when our reserves lost 3-1 to Hinckley in the County Cup. Our response was so flat. We should have been fired up big time and prepared to die to get our pride back. Instead I've never been so ashamed to wear a City shirt.

We even looked unfit and I felt that on Saturday with the first team too, as was clearly the case in at least one instance, from what Holloway said.

It's something I cannot understand. Those players should not just be fit but super fit. Instead they go out, do all these warm-up and yet there's 10 of em at any time on the treatment table. What's it all about?

With all the records available you can soon see the people who are tough enough to be footballers. Managers should recognise them and leave those who can't hack it to find work as wine waiters.

Besides if a team plays properly and moves the ball fast enough there's not nearly as much chance of getting injured as when they don't. Getting hurt by an opponent's tackle is the worst sin cos what the hell are players doing to let an opponent get so close?

I'm not joking either. I watched Kaebi last week. He had a chance on the edge of the box. He turned his man cleverly to the left and I thought he'd have a shot or pass. But no. Instead he turned the guy to the right, then the left, then the right by which time my eyes were spinning like clackers and the opponent just stood still and walked away with the ball.

If I'd ever put my muscles through that I'd have needed 15 minutes to untangle them.

We have to realise that you break opponents by passing the ball so quickly and acurately that they make mistakes and you do that by being fit enough, fast enough and strong enough to win the ball more often than them in the first place and to make that advantage tell.

When that's the case we'll have attitude and when we have attitude we'll have no trouble winning at home.

Good post that and your point about always looking for other options sums up our first team performances exactly.

[Kilworthfox]

You'll remember then how I said I wasn't proud of my boozy actions at the end of the Burnley game - I was a twat, which will come as no surprise to anyone that knows me. I'm man enough to hold my hands up and say so and get on with life.

I have absolutely no intention of ranting like that again.

My stupidity was due to being pissed...what is everyones excuse from Saturday then?

Angered with the acceptance of defeat and very poor showings again from Newton and Cort but I can accept a poor performance once in a while not every game.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

I was not there, but I can imagine why Cort was booed - it's been a long and frustrating time as a leicester fan so the frustration will come out at times this season. I'm glad however, that after 3 games of Holloway's regin there doesn't seem to many posts questioning his appointment... yet!

I think one thing the fans have to remember - booing Cort because he's crap may harm the younger lads on the field. The young one's won't want to do things wrong and if they hear boo's for one player who says they wouldn't get booed. (In their mind.)

If they're afraid of making a mistake that may make them play worse or at least it will effect there decision making process - so say had Cort gone off and been booed before King's strike, would King have had the bottle to hit it from 30/40 yards - with the thought of the crowd's groans in the back of his mind?

Sadly the Cort thing - even if it's not boo's, it's going to be silence or un-inspired cheers until he gives us something to cheer about - so rather than boo him, why don't he cheer more for when we see good things? I guess it's for us to all squabble over what is a good thing now!

[renards]

I don't think Hollaway has done Cort any favours.

As always the fans were in the dark and unaware of his fitness/treatment, I would say nearly all that 'groaned'would of been a bit more understanding. Playing him was not a good idea+ opened him up for flack.

+ I should imagine that Cort is embarrised(sp) that his 'dad' has gone to the media and told the fans to lay off, surely keeping his mouth shut and allowing Cort the chance to go out and try to win the fans over would of been better?

Now if he gets decent backing it will be worthless.

Have a word with Kisnorbo + to a lesser extent MDV