mat_j101 Posted 14 January 2008 Posted 14 January 2008 Are you joking? We have about 15 right backs. If Sterman doesn't play then Chambers will. i think a RB is the last position we need to fill. Just to diverse from the main topic...is sheehan injured at the minute? I dont see why its so stupid? If Chambers was to play there and do well, that would be fine, but as for other right backs, who? We have no others that are out and out right backs. We have people who can fill in, but in the long run thats no good. Agree that we don't really need another right back because we have Chambers and at a push McCauley/N'Gotty but it really is a bit of a myth that we have so many, apart from those already mentioned and I don't consider either McA or N'G RBs just emergency cover we got/had Maybury, Kenton and Kaebi all of whom are on their way out and only Kenton out of them ever got any consideration as a RB in the last 2 years. Agreed. This whole 'Right Back Utd' thing is nonsense. We have 2 that should be in/near the squad - Chambers and Stearman. Stearman hasnt been playing that well, and we havent seen much of Chambers there yet. If Chambers was to be good there, then thats great, but if not i think we ought to try to sign a new one. Im not saying its the main priority right now, but its the only thing id change in the back four!
Manwell Pablo Posted 14 January 2008 Posted 14 January 2008 I guess that's not really a problem provided we can get a decent replacement, can we . I guess for me is the fact that if you add up all the fans opinions on our back four, five if you add Sheehan they'd all be out of the door quicker than Martin Allen after a 4-1 win. Well you know what I think of Mr Sheehan.
Thracian Posted 14 January 2008 Posted 14 January 2008 Agree generally with DavieG's point. To concede exactly a goal a game with the problems we've had is excellent. Already, at just past halfway through the season, we've matched the total number of clean sheets managed in 2006/2007 and defenders have, in my view, created more scoring chances too. We even have cover in defence Stearman/Chambers at right back, Mattock/Sheehan at left-back, McAuley/Kisnorbo/N'Gotty/Stearman at centre-back. Fez has rightly mentioned we should always look to improve and while some have mentioned a left-back I think both left-backs have done well in their own different way. Both are improving and to suggest that a left-back who's attracting bids and interest from two or three Premiership clubs should be replaced is nievity beyond belief. MM well knows the value of Mattock and won't intend to throw it away. It's Sheehan who might look to his future because I don't think anything he does will be enough considering there's not a statistic in existence would make him second best in the position right now. I'll stick with my view that they should be developed together unless there really is a brilliant, fast, reliable, hard-tackling, genuinely attacking left-back out there who has somehow escaped the eyes of the Premiership. Instead I'd still rather look for a faster, footballing centre-back. McAuley and Kisnorbo are good - the record shows it. But they don't look like improving and the higher we go the more important giving the ball away will become. Stearman doesn't look like getting a chance at centre-back and N'Gotty is too slow. Sadly, though, the Alan Hansen type of centre-back I'd like isn't easily found and the way our new side is shaping I wonder if it matters. Like other sections of the team, the defence should benefit immensely by not having to cope with nearly so much pressure.
Lillehamring Posted 14 January 2008 Posted 14 January 2008 What these 4 talented young men need is Fulop behind them.Fulop is top drawer and was invaluable to the defensive make up of our team. If he was behind the back four then we would have a very formidable starting 11. Lets hope Ollie can bolster the squad to support what now looks a decent side. nonsense. there were a few games he played in when the defense were awful. i wouldn't advocate selling, but i think they, as individuals will have to improve if they are expecting to stay long term, some of their play and technique sounds pretty awful... lets just hope we can introduce some classy defenders that they can learn from. i think the essence of people's concern is having them all playing at the same time... individually they aren't too bad, but collectively when they all have off days (and they do!) it is absolutely terrifying
Trav Le Bleu Posted 14 January 2008 Posted 14 January 2008 I agree with DavieG. Been a few blips recently, buy everyone has a purple patch, even Barney! I would like another good defender brought in though as cover.
Manwell Pablo Posted 14 January 2008 Posted 14 January 2008 Agree generally with DavieG's point.To concede exactly a goal a game with the problems we've had is excellent. Already, at just past halfway through the season, we've matched the total number of clean sheets managed in 2006/2007 and defenders have, in my view, created more scoring chances too. We even have cover in defence Stearman/Chambers at right back, Mattock/Sheehan at left-back, McAuley/Kisnorbo/N'Gotty/Stearman at centre-back. Fez has rightly mentioned we should always look to improve and while some have mentioned a left-back I think both left-backs have done well in their own different way. Both are improving and to suggest that a left-back who's attracting bids and interest from two or three Premiership clubs should be replaced is nievity beyond belief. MM well knows the value of Mattock and won't intend to throw it away. It's Sheehan who might look to his future because I don't think anything he does will be enough considering there's not a statistic in existence would make him second best in the position right now. I'll stick with my view that they should be developed together unless there really is a brilliant, fast, reliable, hard-tackling, genuinely attacking left-back out there who has somehow escaped the eyes of the Premiership. Instead I'd still rather look for a faster, footballing centre-back. McAuley and Kisnorbo are good - the record shows it. But they don't look like improving and the higher we go the more important giving the ball away will become. Stearman doesn't look like getting a chance at centre-back and N'Gotty is too slow. Sadly, though, the Alan Hansen type of centre-back I'd like isn't easily found and the way our new side is shaping I wonder if it matters. Like other sections of the team, the defence should benefit immensely by not having to cope with nearly so much pressure. If your talking about Mattock, few of us actually want him replaced, we just think we could do with another player who prehaps isn't 17 (Or Alan Sheehan).
Thracian Posted 14 January 2008 Posted 14 January 2008 If your talking about Mattock, few of us actually want him replaced, we just think we could do with another player who prehaps isn't 17 (Or Alan Sheehan). Another Nils or Tiatto? Very encouraging.
Candidcamera Posted 14 January 2008 Posted 14 January 2008 The whole team was sound on Saturday. It makes you think whether we need change anything just have people in reserve. The team need matches to improve. Really the youngsters have been brilliant but this is how they should be introduced. Not into an unsettled line up with no influential senior players. I can't wait to see how Weso and Fryatt take their chances when the time comes. Sheehan and Porter too. The youth at the club are the future.
maddog Posted 14 January 2008 Posted 14 January 2008 I agree. im not a stearman or Mattock slater myself. Lots of people on here are though I am a Stearman slater because unlike most i won't forgive him for 20 awful performances, and start saying how great he is when he plays well a few times.
Thracian Posted 14 January 2008 Posted 14 January 2008 The whole team was sound on Saturday. It makes you think whether we need change anything just have people in reserve. The team need matches to improve. Really the youngsters have been brilliant but this is how they should be introduced. Not into an unsettled line up with no influential senior players. I can't wait to see how Weso and Fryatt take their chances when the time comes. Sheehan and Porter too. The youth at the club are the future. I don't know about the youths being the future but they're an important part in all sorts of ways and you're right, they will all benefit immensely from having the sort of players around them that we seem to be signing now. Not only in matches but at the training ground. Surround kids with quality players and they'll copy quickly enough. They'll also have more respect. It must have been bloody frustrating for some of our youngsters to be left out of the first team in favour of people who were doing sod all. Now they'll all have to fight and improve to stay in the contention and that can only be healthy.
Bert Posted 14 January 2008 Posted 14 January 2008 Are you joking? We have about 15 right backs. If Sterman doesn't play then Chambers will. i think a RB is the last position we need to fill. Just to diverse from the main topic...is sheehan injured at the minute? No. Ollie prefers Mattock over Sheehan, who could well be on his way out, especially if we sign a left back.
reynard Posted 14 January 2008 Posted 14 January 2008 Another Nils or Tiatto? Very encouraging. Don't think anyone has suggested either of them coming back but to refuse to acknowledge that we don't need a really good left back is madness. I have no doubt that mattock will in time make a fine footballer but I am far from convinced that that will be at left back. yes he's young but he lacks (or to me appears to lack) the one thing needed to be a left back in this day and age and that is pace. Even though he can work on that pace tends to be a natural ability which does not necessarily get better with age. His awareness and nous will improve but I fear he will always be caught out by wingers with more pace. Also at the moment he is not that good in the air and several sides have exploited both of these weaknesses this season though on Saturday he was good helped in no small way by us defending further up the pitch. As for the centre backs personally I think they are adequate but no more. A bid of 1.5m for mccauley should be seriously considered for if we really want to reach the premiership we will need a better defender than him.
Thracian Posted 14 January 2008 Posted 14 January 2008 No.Ollie prefers Mattock over Sheehan, who could well be on his way out, especially if we sign a left back. That's a broad statement. I think it's safe to say MM prefers Mattock. But I still don't understand it and have explained my reasons many times. I've already mentioned the vote of a week or two ago. But put a new vote forward and I bet the balance would change now there's been a Premiership offer. Me I think you could buy other players with Mattock's qualities, though such playes would cost you. And, although Sheehan's limited speed remains a concern I don't think you could buy what he can contribute very easily and I think he will benefit just as much as Mattock in a good side because I've already seen it at a lower level.
Leicester's 12th Man Posted 14 January 2008 Posted 14 January 2008 I agree. im not a Stearman, Sheehan or Mattock slater myself. Lots of people on here are though
Webbo Posted 14 January 2008 Posted 14 January 2008 I'd get rid of Stearman but none of the others. I thought you'd given up the thick act.
DB11 Posted 14 January 2008 Posted 14 January 2008 Another Nils or Tiatto? Very encouraging. Nils indeed! I thought you'd given up the thick act. It's my opinion. You are saying I am thick for having an opinion? Fuck off.
renards Posted 14 January 2008 Posted 14 January 2008 I agree. im not a stearman or Mattock slater myself. Lots of people on here are though Short memory??? You seem to take delight rubbishing possibly are best asset I sugested Jan 3rd that Mattock may be of value Eng squad at all levels inc U21 at 17 etc and he was linked with Chelsea etc QUOTE........ What a load of balls He was only included in the Eng squad because of massive Injuries... Stearman was in the squad too.. How does him being a local lad/his dad supporting leicester effect whether you would let him go for 1.5 mill? Chelsea bound, are you joking? Decent job in a crap side? His recent form has been shoddy How can you even compared DJ and Mattock!?
Lillehamring Posted 15 January 2008 Posted 15 January 2008 I am a Stearman slater because unlike most i won't forgive him for 20 awful performances, and start saying how great he is when he plays well a few times. the dumbest thing about this statement is that, over the last few seasons, you could probably apply this logic to 95% of the city squad... why single out stearman for particular abuse? people seem to forget that stearman has been punching above his weight and[laying a position that is not his natural chosen position, despite his age he has one of the most attendances in a city shirt. the fact is, our defence, this season, has proved to be greater than the some of its parts, none of them are particularly great, but as a unit they have mainly done very well, the notable examples of when they have struggled is when they collective have a mare, and even then it is often the centre, experienced two that are to blame for the soft goals we have shipped
Tommy G Posted 15 January 2008 Posted 15 January 2008 Short memory???You seem to take delight rubbishing possibly are best asset I sugested Jan 3rd that Mattock may be of value Eng squad at all levels inc U21 at 17 etc and he was linked with Chelsea etc QUOTE........ What a load of balls He was only included in the Eng squad because of massive Injuries... Stearman was in the squad too.. How does him being a local lad/his dad supporting leicester effect whether you would let him go for 1.5 mill? Chelsea bound, are you joking? Decent job in a crap side? His recent form has been shoddy How can you even compared DJ and Mattock!? He was only included in the Eng squad because of massive Injuries... Thats a fact Stearman was in the squad too.. Thats a fact How does him being a local lad/his dad supporting leicester effect whether you would let him go for 1.5 mill? Explain to me why thats the case and why it has any relavence? Chelsea bound, are you joking? Well yes I am joking, he just simply isn't good enough to play at the best team in the country yet? Decent job in a crap side? His recent form has been shoddy Many people would agree with me here?! (that was written before the cov game) How can you even compared DJ and Mattock!? Well you can't, as they are diferent positions? So whats you point?
Manwell Pablo Posted 15 January 2008 Posted 15 January 2008 Another Nils or Tiatto? Very encouraging. No someone who can actually play there reasonable well.
Sirloin Posted 15 January 2008 Posted 15 January 2008 the dumbest thing about this statement is that, over the last few seasons, you could probably apply this logic to 95% of the city squad... why single out stearman for particular abuse?people seem to forget that stearman has been punching above his weight and[laying a position that is not his natural chosen position, despite his age he has one of the most attendances in a city shirt. the fact is, our defence, this season, has proved to be greater than the some of its parts, none of them are particularly great, but as a unit they have mainly done very well, the notable examples of when they have struggled is when they collective have a mare, and even then it is often the centre, experienced two that are to blame for the soft goals we have shipped Our defence is about the one bright point about this shitty season. Playing in a very poor team they have normally aquitted themselves pretty well. Last Saturday I thought Mattock and Stearman both looked very solid, marking two "danger men" out of the game with the minimum of fuss. Likewise in the centre, Kisnorbo and Macauley, while not world beaters individually, work well as a unit. I would be a bit loath to split them up without a guarantee of quality to come in. The fact that our players are in such demand is sign enough.
Geo V Posted 15 January 2008 Posted 15 January 2008 The back 4 are fine but we must be fair and say that Fulop made their record look better than it probably is because he at times saved us single-handedly. As for the individuals, whether people like them or not our two young full-backs have been recognized for Englands U21s and quite a few clubs are sniffing around for them and in time will become very good players. I think we ask a bit too much out of them, especially Mattock but they are good and will get better in a balanced team which Ollie looks like getting right. Kisnorbo has come on leaps and bounds from that ropey central midfielder that CL signed and despite his average distribution, is one of the better centre-halves at this level and McAuley is solid enough and at times is under-rated as he gets in so many blocks over the course of the game. For this level they are all OK and it has always been about the midfield and attack for me as we have got some good defenders.
Hammster Posted 15 January 2008 Posted 15 January 2008 Are defence at the start of the season was our best position (it didn't really have much competition) after some legendry signings by Holloway it is now our worst position. The January transfer window has changed a lot of things so we need a better defence if we want to compete for mid-table and get play-offs next season and not battle against relegation and get mid-table next season. Hopefully after the Signings olly has made we will not be battling against relegation but to be certain we need to strengthen our back four. Leicester!!
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