Manwell Pablo Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 The above, more than anything, sums up how bad it's got for Fryatt. Case of last one out, please turn the light off. Not at all, I'd start him on Saturday if it were up to me.
Simi Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 Fez told me DJ was shite. looking at the player rating most people seem to agree. Yes and no for me. Fez was extremely pissed off after the match last night. "Groundhog day" was a term used. I thought he did ok last night. Quite a few intelligent runs down the wings that opened up a bit of space. Some good link up play with the midfield as well. I can see why people would be annoyed though, he never really got himself a genuine chance, which was a little disappointing. I'd pursue with him though, we had a lot more options than when we've had Howard and Hayles.
Joe. Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 DJ's got the spark for me that Fryatt hasn't. Fryatt maybe has a better footballing brain about him but DJ's got the pace that can trouble any defence. It's like most of our forwards, we need to get the ball on the floor to them instead of this long ball we insist on playing most of the time.
Bluenose76 Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 For all you Fryatt fans. (and that doesn't follow that I am not) please understand that we don't have the luxury of time for him to come good. Coupled with the fact that Holloway's direct approach will do him no good whatsoever. Holloway bought Howard to fit in with his style.
The People's Hero Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 I haven't seen us play for a while but I think I'd be inclined to start Hume and DJ up front, with Fryatt and Howard on the bench.
Manwell Pablo Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 For all you Fryatt fans. (and that doesn't follow that I am not) please understand that we don't have the luxury of time for him to come good. Coupled with the fact that Holloway's direct approach will do him no good whatsoever. Holloway bought Howard to fit in with his style. Why doesn't he fit in then.
Joe. Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 Why doesn't he fit in then. Because we haven't got good enough wingers
Manwell Pablo Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 Because we haven't got good enough wingers Well apparently we put 16 crosses in last night.
Joe. Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 Well apparently we put 16 crosses in last night. I wonder how many of those actually went to anybody other than Danny Shittu though...
davieG Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 Because we haven't got good enough wingers So Howard doesn't fit in is what you should be saying because unless we can get some decent crosses into him he's just a cumbersome passesnger.
breadandcheese Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 I'd be on the first train out of Leicester. We need someone who is going to knock in the chances when the ball drops in and around the penalty area and yet Ollie perseveres with Steve 'donkey' Howard, Iain 'headless chicken' Hume and Barry 'OAP' Hayles. Fryatt may not have the greatest goalscoring record but what he needs is a run in the first team. Last season he was totally disrupted by a load of injuries. What's more he encourages us to play good football - he's not particularly big so no high balls and he's not quick so none over the top. He'll encourage us to pass through teams as he's good with his back to goal and brings others into the game well. The sooner Ollie sees that the man to get us out of this mess is currently his fifth choice striker the better. A number of problems as I see it with your argument. 1) Knock in the chances - What chances are these? I seem to be missing all these chances that we create. I sit in games wondering how we're going to create anything. 2) Encourages us to play good football - Are you sure? When he's had a chance, we've still played the same narrow hoofball rubbish we have for the entirety of the season. It seems we do this regardless. So not being big or quick doesn't help when you are effectively having to create your own chances. I do however think Fryatt is a decent player with some good ball control and the ability to offer more (skill-wise) in comparison to our other forwards. Sadly, I agree with Manwell when he says Fryatt will probably prove the doubters wrong but most likely not with us. Who would have ever thought Cresswell would be a £1 million player, but he left us and performed.
Thracian Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 Not at all, I'd start him on Saturday if it were up to me. He doesn't convince me but I'd still give him a run in the reserves tonight and put him on the bench Saturday all being well. I doubt he'll ever make a frontline Championship striker but he'll perhaps offer something a little different and less predictable.
Bluenose76 Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 Why doesn't he fit in then. Good question, its one I have been try to think about anf the only conclusion I can come to is that the Hungarians are not up to CCC pace at the moment. Remember these guys that Holloway bought in came in from DVD's. He didn't actually see them play so maybe they are going to take some time to adjust (lets hope so)
Joe. Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 So Howard doesn't fit in is what you should be saying because unless we can get some decent crosses into him he's just a cumbersome passesnger. That's about the size of it.
Guest ttfn Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 A number of problems as I see it with your argument.1) Knock in the chances - What chances are these? I seem to be missing all these chances that we create. I sit in games wondering how we're going to create anything. 2) Encourages us to play good football - Are you sure? When he's had a chance, we've still played the same narrow hoofball rubbish we have for the entirety of the season. It seems we do this regardless. So not being big or quick doesn't help when you are effectively having to create your own chances. I do however think Fryatt is a decent player with some good ball control and the ability to offer more (skill-wise) in comparison to our other forwards. Sadly, I agree with Manwell when he says Fryatt will probably prove the doubters wrong but most likely not with us. Who would have ever thought Cresswell would be a £1 million player, but he left us and performed. If you're telling me that Fryatt wouldn't have taken the chance that fell to McAuley at the end of the Plymouth game then you're bonkers. But yeah, we don't have too many chances right now, which is why we need someone who will take the rare chances we get. I think without the target of Steve Howard, Kisnorbo and especially McAuley will be forced into giving it to Oakley or Clemence, who in turn will not have the target on Howard's head to aim for and will instead have to keep it on the floor. Holloway has not played 'his' team without Howard yet, so it's difficult to see how we can be sure that we'll still play hoofball with Fryatt in the side.
breadandcheese Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 So Howard doesn't fit in is what you should be saying because unless we can get some decent crosses into him he's just a cumbersome passesnger. But if we're playing narrow hoofballs, then he is more effective as he has a better chance of winning the long hopeful punts and is more able to compete with some of the bigger rougher centre-backs in the league. I think we need to play one big man upfront and that man is Howard.
davieG Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 If you're telling me that Fryatt wouldn't have taken the chance that fell to McAuley at the end of the Plymouth game then you're bonkers. But yeah, we don't have too many chances right now, which is why we need someone who will take the rare chances we get. I think without the target of Steve Howard, Kisnorbo and especially McAuley will be forced into giving it to Oakley or Clemence, who in turn will not have the target on Howard's head to aim for and will instead have to keep it on the floor. Holloway has not played 'his' team without Howard yet, so it's difficult to see how we can be sure that we'll still play hoofball with Fryatt in the side. Recently when Hume & Fryatt played up front all the back four did was hoof it up to them. The number times it went to Fryatt to try to out jump the defenders was too many to count. Changing any of the strikers to whatever formation does not stop McAuley, Kisnorbo and Alnwick hoofing it up to them.
Mark Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 So Howard doesn't fit in is what you should be saying because unless we can get some decent crosses into him he's just a cumbersome passesnger. Another one of Ollies myths, I don't see him making any movement outside the area I can't see him suddenly becoming able to lose a defender in the box and get his head on the ball, although he did against Palace but missed both.
davieG Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 But if we're playing narrow hoofballs, then he is more effective as he has a better chance of winning the long hopeful punts and is more able to compete with some of the bigger rougher centre-backs in the league.I think we need to play one big man upfront and that man is Howard. True but I'd sooner we didn't.
breadandcheese Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 If you're telling me that Fryatt wouldn't have taken the chance that fell to McAuley at the end of the Plymouth game then you're bonkers. But yeah, we don't have too many chances right now, which is why we need someone who will take the rare chances we get. I think without the target of Steve Howard, Kisnorbo and especially McAuley will be forced into giving it to Oakley or Clemence, who in turn will not have the target on Howard's head to aim for and will instead have to keep it on the floor. Holloway has not played 'his' team without Howard yet, so it's difficult to see how we can be sure that we'll still play hoofball with Fryatt in the side. 1) Your argument cannot be based on the premise that Fryatt is a better finisher than our central defender. I would hope he is. 2) That chance was not created in open play, so again, the question should be asked, if we are creating only from set-pieces and long hopeful punts, is Fryatt the best option? 3) With a narrow team, Clemence and Oakley will not have the space to play a neat passing game. Before Howard came (admittedly this is also before Oakley, but I don't think he is the missing link) we were unable to pass with a narrow team, so nothing's really changed. As I say, don't get me wrong, I like Fryatt and think him a good player. I would possibly try a Howard Fryatt combo (probably more out of desperation than any inate belief that they are the dream partnership), however, tinkering with forwards will help very little. Our problems are the same as they've been all season. We have no width. The Hungarians are not ready/may not be good enough. We are therfore unable to break teams down and struggle to create.
Bluenose76 Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 Its no good playing Fryatt under Holloway I'm afraid. Clash of styles
Manwell Pablo Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 I wonder how many of those actually went to anybody other than Danny Shittu though... Probabley the lot. Predictable really. Holloway should of thought of that.
Alexikokopops Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 Well apparently we put 16 crosses in last night. I think about three of them were from the flanks by our wingers. The majority were probably our central midfield lumping the ball into the box in injury time after realising that the entire second half has passed us by, we were still losing, and it was probably time to play with even the SLIGHTEST SENSE OF URGENCY.
Manwell Pablo Posted 13 February 2008 Posted 13 February 2008 I think about three of them were from the flanks by our wingers.The majority were probably our central midfield lumping the ball into the box in injury time after realising that the entire second half has passed us by, we were still losing, and it was probably time to play with even the SLIGHTEST SENSE OF URGENCY. Every ones so happy today.
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