Eduardo

[breadandcheese]

Strange how all fouls are deemed to be 'mistimed' or 'late' these days. Both hese descriptions connote 'unintentional.' Therefore, there are no fouls at all. This is the kind of bollocks that gutless cowards like H&L have been peddling for years on MOTD because they can't risk the Premier League's highlights package.

Now if Taylor's challenge had been commited say by a foreigner on an English player in an international match do you think that their reaction would have been the same? Like fook it would have...

H&L's position has nothing to do with their (shite) punditry. It has everything to do with closing ranks to protect mutual interests.

And its about time the ****** on this thread woke up to that fact instead of mindlessly repeating the H&L party line...

No, their response would have been just as poorly defined and full of hyperbole as Wenger's was on Saturday. It was a bad challenge, no-one will argue otherwise. It was a red card, few would argue otherwise. Conspiracy no. Closing ranks, no.

I'd rather listen to those who's careers have been ruined within the game on a topic like this, rather than H&L. Listening to Jason Cundy (whose career was injured after a training ground incident) say that these things happen in football, however tragic they are and it is something that no-pro wishes on anybody (bar maybe Roy Keane on Haaland - now for that Keane should be banned for life). He spoke about how it is the most innocuous looking tackles that are the worst injuries (You'd have to be pretty eagle-eyed to have seen the horrific nature of the tackle first time round from the TV pictures) and Taylor will be upset at what's happened (which McLeish has come out and said and reports are Taylor's been straight round to the hospital to apologise and see Eduardo).

These things have always happened in football, and long before some supposed 1950's Italian football coach supposedly perfected the art of injuring opponents (what a load of bullcr*p).

It's is unfortunate and horrible and part of the reason footballers attempt to get huge wage increases becasue they can never guarantee that their career will be a long one.

[Staf]

On bbc it says he faces a 9 month lay off

Last Updated: Monday, 25 February 2008, 16:59 GMT

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Eduardo faces nine-month lay-off

Eduardo (right) shows his agony as Taylor looks on

Arsenal hope Croatian striker Eduardo will make a full recovery from his horrific leg break in nine months.

The 25-year-old suffered a fractured left fibula and an open dislocation of his left ankle in a challenge with Birmingham's Martin Taylor on Saturday.

Eduardo will have his leg in plaster for the next six to eight weeks before beginning a rehabilitation programme.

Arsenal say the Croatia international, signed for £7.5m in 2007, should be running again in six months.

McLeish reflects on Eduardo injury

Interview: Physio Jim Walker

After sustaining the injury Eduardo was taken to Selly Oak Hospital in Birmingham and underwent surgery on Saturday before being transferred to a London-based hospital on Sunday.

Taylor has been targeted by some angry fans - including from Croatia - who have posted threatening messages on various internet sites.

And security personnel had to restrain Croatian journalists who ran on to the road and tried to get into Taylor's car as he left the club's Wast Hills training complex on Monday.

The incident occurred early on in Arsenal's 2-2 draw at St Andrew's and Birmingham manager Alex McLeish says the experience has been difficult for Taylor psychologically.

Eduardo's a world class player, he's definitely in the right hands and I'm sure he will come back

Alex McLeish, Birmingham manager

But McLeish does not believe Taylor's straight red card was warranted.

The fact that (some commentators were surprised at the red card) tells the story itself - it was seen as just another normal tackle in a game of football where there is contact.

"Martin was horrified. There certainly wasn't a big protest over the red card from him but he's seen the damage that was done to Eduardo and I could see it in his face.

"Even if the referee had given him a yellow card I don't know if he could have played on any way."

"We've had to rally round Martin Taylor because he is mentally shattered by the whole experience."

I had 20 operations on my right leg, with 10 operations in the first 12 days

Former Coventry defender David Busst

Former Rangers and Scotland boss McLeish recalled the way ex-Celtic striker Henrik Larsson came back from a horrific leg break in 1999 and is hopeful for Eduardo.

"Henrik Larsson received a bad one a few years ago in Lyon while playing for Celtic and when I saw Eduardo I could think it was something similar.

"The technology and medical treatments nowadays meant Henrik Larsson's was a success and he came back to show he was a world class player.

"Eduardo's a world class player and he's definitely in the right hands and I'm sure he will come back."

Meanwhile former Coventry defender David Busst is confident Eduardo will play again if there are no complications in his recovery.

Busst's career was ended by a similar injury to Eduardo's which he suffered against Manchester United in 1996.

"If there's no complications, I'm sure he will be back playing again," Busst told BBC Radio 5 Live.

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"It wasn't the break that stopped me playing again but the infections I caught after that.

"I suffered a double compound fracture of the tibia and fibula and had 20 operations on my right leg, with 10 operations in the first 12 days.

"I'd like to reassure Eduardo and tell him not to let people compare his injury to mine because I did have to give up.

"It was the infection, muscle and tissue damage that stopped me from playing again.

"They will have closed up where the bone had come out from the skin and pinned the bones.

"If they have done all that without any infection then he will be back playing when the bone has healed in about 12 months."

[Chandler]

No, their response would have been just as poorly defined and full of hyperbole as Wenger's was on Saturday. It was a bad challenge, no-one will argue otherwise. It was a red card, few would argue otherwise. Conspiracy no. Closing ranks, no.

I'd rather listen to those who's careers have been ruined within the game on a topic like this, rather than H&L. Listening to Jason Cundy (whose career was injured after a training ground incident) say that these things happen in football, however tragic they are and it is something that no-pro wishes on anybody (bar maybe Roy Keane on Haaland - now for that Keane should be banned for life). He spoke about how it is the most innocuous looking tackles that are the worst injuries (You'd have to be pretty eagle-eyed to have seen the horrific nature of the tackle first time round from the TV pictures) and Taylor will be upset at what's happened (which McLeish has come out and said and reports are Taylor's been straight round to the hospital to apologise and see Eduardo).

These things have always happened in football, and long before some supposed 1950's Italian football coach supposedly perfected the art of injuring opponents (what a load of bullcr*p).

It's is unfortunate and horrible and part of the reason footballers attempt to get huge wage increases becasue they can never guarantee that their career will be a long one.

Carlino Beretta - served as national team coach in the early '50's. Widely credited with the introduction of the practice of stamping on players lying injured on the ground. This practice became very popular here but seemed to die out in the 90's as referees became wise to hackers nonchalantly walking over their victims (word got out that former England internationals, including one with over 100 caps to his name, were encouraging England schoolboy triallists to do it at training camps - this was reported to me first hand by a former England 'South' goalkeeper in the late 1980's).

Roy Keanes challenge on Haaland looked worse than Taylor's only because he did not attempt to conceal his intent - will somebody have to die first before you get it thicko?

[Joe.]

I really feel for Taylor as well as Eduardo. Taylor will probably be known now as 'the guy who broke Eduardo's leg' when the tackle wasn't that late or high. I really hope Eduardo can still reach his full potential.

Eh?

It was a terrible tackle mate. Haven't you seen the pictures of where Taylor's foot actually meets Eduardo's leg?

[Stevosevic]

Oh FFS! Clearly Chandler knows it all, has played at the highest level and will not take anyone elses points on board so there isn't much point argueing.

However, in the past when nasty challenges have occured, SSN etc... have spoken about it for a few days after, even though the player walked away unhurt.

Does anyone honestly think we would be talking about this challenge, like we have previously, if Eduardo has just got up and the game had continued? I don't think so. It was a freak incident.

EDIT: nobody is debating if it was late or not, but you can't put it in the same league as Keane's or others of it's kind.

[Uncle Albert]

Eh?

It was a terrible tackle mate. Haven't you seen the pictures of where Taylor's foot actually meets Eduardo's leg?

I really feel for Taylor as well as Eduardo. Taylor will probably be known now as 'the guy who broke Eduardo's leg' when the tackle wasn't that late or high. I really hope Eduardo can still reach his full potential.

Thats the funny part about the post.

[Chandler]

Oh FFS! Clearly Chandler knows it all, has played at the highest level and will not take anyone elses points on board so there isn't much point argueing.

However, in the past when nasty challenges have occured, SSN etc... have spoken about it for a few days after, even though the player walked away unhurt.

Does anyone honestly think we would be talking about this challenge, like we have previously, if Eduardo has just got up and the game had continued? I don't think so. It was a freak incident.

EDIT: nobody is debating if it was late or not, but you can't put it in the same league as Keane's or others of it's kind.

And I suppose that you have?

There is no such thing as a 'late' tackle. That's Hansen bollocks for 'he creamed the cnut'

[Staf]

And I suppose that you have?

There is no such thing as a 'late' tackle. That's Hansen bollocks for 'he creamed the cnut'

Who did you play for Chandler?

[Samilktray]

And I suppose that you have?

There is no such thing as a 'late' tackle. That's Hansen bollocks for 'he creamed the cnut'

Oh behave.

Course 'late' tackles exist, its called one player reacting quicker than the other in most cases.

Come off it now.

[Chandler]

I played as an amateur for a nursery club attached to Fiorentina in the 1970's and later had an unsuccessful trial for Ascoli.

Broke my leg and that was that.

[Chandler]

Oh behave.

Course 'late' tackles exist, its called one player reacting quicker than the other in most cases.

Come off it now.

Sorry son but that euphemism is recent. Never heard it before the 90's. Designed to placate the managers of the offending players and probably sanctioned no doubt by the BBC's lawyers.

In any case, Taylor did not TACKLE Eduardo. He STAMPED on him.

You need some serious deprogramming and a lesson in elementary logic...

[Samilktray]

Sorry son but that euphemism is recent. Never heard it before the 90's. Designed to placate the managers of the offending players and probably sanctioned no doubt by the BBC's lawyers.

In any case, Taylor did not TACKLE Eduardo. He STAMPED on him.

You need some serious deprogramming and a lesson in elementary logic...

Stop being so silly.

[Stevosevic]

Sorry son but that euphemism is recent. Never heard it before the 90's. Designed to placate the managers of the offending players and probably sanctioned no doubt by the BBC's lawyers.

In any case, Taylor did not TACKLE Eduardo. He STAMPED on him.

You need some serious deprogramming and a lesson in elementary logic...

It wasn't a stamp, he slid in one footed, and caught him, you'll see that challenge two or three times every single game.

[Chandler]

It wasn't a stamp, he slid in one footed, and caught him, you'll see that challenge two or three times every single game.

You're blind as well as thick...

[Stevosevic]

And I suppose that you have?

There is no such thing as a 'late' tackle. That's Hansen bollocks for 'he creamed the cnut'

No i havn't, ive played academy football between the ages of 13 and 16. The last two seasons i have been playing for Kings Lynn reserves, and made a handful of appearances in the first team - at that time in Conference South. If i hadn't have gone to university, i would fancy my chances of being a regular there by September and possibly looking for a club in the conference. However, i am only playing for the first team at Loughborough University.

[Samilktray]

You're blind as well as thick...

Your an idiot.

[Chandler]

Your an idiot.

Rather 'late' with that aren't you? Or did you simply 'mistime' it?

[Stevosevic]

You're blind as well as thick...

It would seem all videos have been removed from the net so i can't be bothered to argue with you - not that you can appreciate anyone elses view or understand that this will always be an incident where people will disagree.

[Chandler]

It would seem all videos have been removed from the net so i can't be bothered to argue with you - not that you can appreciate anyone elses view or understand that this will always be an incident where people will disagree.

You're alright son - didn't mean to cause you any offence. My barb was simply 'mistimed.'

[Samilktray]

Rather 'late' with that aren't you? Or did you simply 'mistime' it?

Poor attempt.

[Stevosevic]

You're alright son - didn't mean to cause you any offence. My barb was simply 'mistimed.'

I'm not sure how you reach the conclusion that i'm offended

[Chandler]

Poor attempt.

...but better than anything you could come up with.

But here's something you should be able to come up with in the next two or three minutes - a foul on any Leicester player any time anywhere that was described by a poster on this forum (but not on this thread) as being 'late' or 'mistimed.'

Easy peasy eh?

[Samilktray]

...but better than anything you could come up with.

But here's something you should be able to come up with in the next two or three minutes - a foul on any Leicester player any time anywhere that was described by a poster on this forum (but not on this thread) as being 'late' or 'mistimed.'

Easy peasy eh?

What the hell are you on about.

[filbertway]

It looks like more of a stamp when you see it in real time I think. And the pic does look stampish.

I don't think he intended for it to end that way though.

Conspiracy theory.. The FA sent taylor to do this to Eduardo to jeopardise their chances in the euro's because they knocked us out.

Have that chandler.

[lildave3]

Chandler.

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