ASH17LCFC Posted 25 April 2008 Posted 25 April 2008 I been reading and got really intrested in his life and his work and to be honest i think he was hero. People claimed he was nothing but a terrorist but he was fighting in what he beleive in and was fearless. The way he died aswell just proved what kinda man he was. His last words were great and just summed up the legend.
SuperSwede Posted 25 April 2008 Posted 25 April 2008 Without having very much knowledge about Che, I like his passion for his political vision. He had a real fighting spirit and never gave up. However I don't like his political ideology. I think it's weird that someone with such an extreme political view is so famous and loved. I can never picture myself wearing anything with his face on.
Ultra Posted 25 April 2008 Posted 25 April 2008 From Wiki.. Ernesto "Che" Guevara (May 14, 1928 – October 9, 1967), commonly known as Che Guevara or simply Che, was an Argentine Marxist revolutionary, politician, physician, author, military theorist, and guerrilla leader. His stylized image also later became a countercultural symbol worldwide.As a young medical student, Guevara travelled through Latin America and was transformed by the endemic poverty he witnessed. His experiences and observations during these trips led him to conclude that the region's inequalities were a result of capitalism, neo-colonialism, and imperialism, with the only remedy being world revolution. This belief prompted his involvement in Guatemala's social revolution under President Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán, whose eventual CIA-assisted overthrow solidified Guevara’s radical ideology. Later, in Mexico, he joined and was promoted to commander in Fidel Castro’s 26th of July Movement, playing a pivotal role in the successful guerrilla campaign to overthrow the U.S.-backed Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista. After the Cuban revolution, Guevara served in many prominent governmental positions, including President of the National Bank and “supreme prosecutor” over the revolutionary tribunals and executions of suspected war criminals from the previous regime. Along with traveling to meet world leaders on behalf of Cuban socialism, he was a prolific writer and diarist: his published work includes a manual on the theory and practice of guerrilla warfare. Guevara left Cuba in 1965 to incite revolutions first in an unsuccessful attempt in Congo-Kinshasa and then in Bolivia, where he was captured with help of the CIA and executed. Both notorious for his harsh discipline and revered for his unwavering dedication to his revolutionary doctrines, Guevara remains a controversial and significant historical figure. Because of his death, invocation to armed class struggle, and romantic visage, Guevara became an icon of leftist revolutionary movements worldwide, as well as a global merchandising sensation. He has been venerated and reviled in dozens of biographies, memoirs, books, essays, documentaries, songs, and films. Time Magazine declared him one of the 100 most influential people of the 20th century, while an Alberto Korda photograph of him (shown) has been declared "the most famous photograph in the world A great man. As with Castro, anyone so feared and reviled by the US military and big-business elites has to have something going for them..
ASH17LCFC Posted 25 April 2008 Author Posted 25 April 2008 From Wiki..A great man. As with Castro, anyone so feared and reviled by the US military and big-business elites has to have something going for them.. The thing is about Castro, he told the Soviets to nuke America if they came into Cuba. So how come they never killed him like they did Che ? And also reading about him and his ways ... Why did the CIA want him dead so bad ?
Ultra Posted 25 April 2008 Posted 25 April 2008 The thing is about Castro, he told the Soviets to nuke America if they came into Cuba. So how come they never killed him like they did Che ? It wasn't for the want of trying. The CIA have launched any number of assassination attempts. And also reading about him and his ways ... Why did the CIA want him dead so bad ? Because there are some people with a great deal to lose, should the American public discover that there exists an alternative to their current wretched state of life.
Zingari Posted 26 April 2008 Posted 26 April 2008 I been reading and got really intrested in his life and his work and to be honest i think he was hero.People claimed he was nothing but a terrorist but he was fighting in what he beleive in and was fearless. The way he died aswell just proved what kinda man he was. His last words were great and just summed up the legend. There has been so much hyperbole written about him , (both in praise and damnation) that you can almost believe anything you want , from modern day robin hood to ruthless Stalinist thug . The truth is probably neither, but one thing is certain, had he have looked more like John Prescott , than a dashing Hollywood movie star with the iconic image, he would probably have been largely consigned to obscurity and very few t-shirts with an image of a Prescott lookalike would have been sold on student campuses around the globe
Webbo Posted 26 April 2008 Posted 26 April 2008 Thanks to Che Guevara the people of Cuba enjoy the highest standard of living in Latin America, total freedom of speech and freedom from absolute monarchy where when a leader died he handed on his role to a relative. Thanks Che you're a beacon we can all follow.
Webbo Posted 26 April 2008 Posted 26 April 2008 Because there are some people with a great deal to lose, should the American public discover that there exists an alternative to their current wretched state of life. We often see in the news about people escaping Cuba to get to America, strangely though we rarely see any traffic going the other way. Why do you think that is?
Rincewind Posted 26 April 2008 Posted 26 April 2008 not promoted so much. you get 'come to America the land of the free' amongst other things. How true it is depends on how you define free. They do not promote travel the other way in a good light. 'Go to Cuba and be shot by the police and the bandits, in America you are only shot by the police.'
Guest Posted 26 April 2008 Posted 26 April 2008 It's definitely not free Ken, that is why I am saving hard for my shopping trip to the States this year.
Finnegan Posted 27 April 2008 Posted 27 April 2008 The El Che phenomena in my generation hugely pisses me off because a majority don't know who he is, and they certainly don't pay much heed to his part in mass executions and behavior rather more radical and extreme then people like to believe. I do think he should be revered for his qualities, though. Perhaps more so as a young idealist than the beret-wearing, cigar-smoking ringleader he became in his adult life. It's interesting to imagine how things would be had he lived, though.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 27 April 2008 Posted 27 April 2008 The El Che phenomena in my generation hugely pisses me off because a majority don't know who he is, and they certainly don't pay much heed to his part in mass executions and behavior rather more radical and extreme then people like to believe. No one ever let that put them off wearing a cool looking t-shirt, did it?
leedslad Posted 27 April 2008 Posted 27 April 2008 There has been so much hyperbole written about him , (both in praise and damnation) that you can almost believe anything you want , from modern day robin hood to ruthless Stalinist thug .The truth is probably neither, but one thing is certain, had he have looked more like John Prescott , than a dashing Hollywood movie star with the iconic image, he would probably have been largely consigned to obscurity and very few t-shirts with an image of a Prescott lookalike would have been sold on student campuses around the globe Nail on the head. I wouldn't be so enraged by seeing his face everywhere, but even those who wear it as a fashion/political fashion statement rarely have a clue about him, or his more brutal tendancies. They're trying to make a statement about radical political views etc to be different, but the irony is they're engrossed in a global obsessesion- similar to that of a sports brand from a capitalist country. So in short, my problem is not with him, but with those who idolise him without knowing much about him.
Daggers Posted 27 April 2008 Posted 27 April 2008 Nail on the head.I wouldn't be so enraged by seeing his face everywhere, but even those who wear it as a fashion/political fashion statement rarely have a clue about him, or his more brutal tendancies. They're trying to make a statement about radical political views etc to be different, but the irony is they're engrossed in a global obsessesion- similar to that of a sports brand from a capitalist country. So in short, my problem is not with him, but with those who idolise him without knowing much about him. Oh, that would be me then. I bow to your greater comprehension of Central and South American politics and your obvious superior knowledge of the icon himself.
leedslad Posted 27 April 2008 Posted 27 April 2008 Oh, that would be me then.I bow to your greater comprehension of Central and South American politics and your obvious superior knowledge of the icon himself. Glad that's settled then It's all subjective, you're welcome to your opinion (you wouldn't be if we lived under the system he desired), but I reserve the right to think you're an idiot for it
Daggers Posted 27 April 2008 Posted 27 April 2008 Glad that's settled then It's all subjective, you're welcome to your opinion (you wouldn't be if we lived under the system he desired), but I reserve the right to think you're an idiot for it Take a trip to the countries he is revered in...or rather, not him but the symbol of what he now stands for. Take a trip and spend some time getting to know the destitute, the oppressed and the disenfranchised. You don't know my opinion about El Che beyond what I've written in this thread but by all means feel free to carry on second guessing it. Me? An idiot? Pues, cuando el rio suena, piedras trae.
Uncle Monty Posted 27 April 2008 Posted 27 April 2008 Nail on the head.I wouldn't be so enraged by seeing his face everywhere, but even those who wear it as a fashion/political fashion statement rarely have a clue about him, or his more brutal tendancies. They're trying to make a statement about radical political views etc to be different, but the irony is they're engrossed in a global obsessesion- similar to that of a sports brand from a capitalist country. So in short, my problem is not with him, but with those who idolise him without knowing much about him. Yeah this irratates me also, i don't like people that wear stuff with his face/name on - do they really think as a socialist marxist Ideologist he would have wanted his face used as a capatalist symbol???????
Bryn Posted 28 April 2008 Posted 28 April 2008 I went off him when I had 14 year old commie wannabes spouting off about him constantly when they A. Knew fook all about him B. Knew jack shit in general. I'd have to read beyond the wikipedia page to form a further opinion I think but I can see why he is such an icon.
Head Honcho Posted 28 April 2008 Posted 28 April 2008 It wasn't for the want of trying. The CIA have launched any number of assassination attempts.Because there are some people with a great deal to lose, should the American public discover that there exists an alternative to their current wretched state of life. Link? Like him or loathe him he's no better or worse than Osama Bin Laden. He'd be turning in his grave at the thought of everyone fortunate enough to have capitalised on him.
Finnegan Posted 28 April 2008 Posted 28 April 2008 Like him or loathe him he's no better or worse than Osama Bin Laden. What?
Dr The Singh Posted 28 April 2008 Posted 28 April 2008 Link?Like him or loathe him he's no better or worse than Osama Bin Laden. He'd be turning in his grave at the thought of everyone fortunate enough to have capitalised on him. I dunno much about him, but that is one big statement, please do explain, Honcho my friend!!!
Daggers Posted 28 April 2008 Posted 28 April 2008 Some of you need to get out a bit more. As in, out of the country. Your insular Daily Mail-fed view of the world is quite incredible.
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