The People's Hero Posted 14 June 2008 Posted 14 June 2008 Mate, i'm not out to convert anyone, but as far as I remember you used to be aprt of a boy band called Turbanation and often wore a turban!!! Ace! By the way, I believe in Zeus.
AoWW Posted 14 June 2008 Posted 14 June 2008 Ace!By the way, I believe in Zeus. I believe in miracles...
The People's Hero Posted 14 June 2008 Posted 14 June 2008 I believe in miracles... Since I came along?
Finnegan Posted 14 June 2008 Posted 14 June 2008 The only thing i know is that the huge spread of Islam into European culture will only result in one thing. More... er... Islamic people in.. uhm. Europe?
Flynny Posted 14 June 2008 Posted 14 June 2008 Good god this thread is horrendous. I love religious people who refuse to recognise that religion isn't compatible with logic and subsequently come across sounding utterly absurd.
acooling08 Posted 15 June 2008 Author Posted 15 June 2008 Good god this thread is horrendous. I love religious people who refuse to recognise that religion isn't compatible with logic and subsequently come across sounding utterly absurd.
Webbo Posted 15 June 2008 Posted 15 June 2008 I don't believe there is a God, but I have no way of knowing for sure. I don't know how anyone can say for certain that there is no god, anymore than anyone can say for sure that there is. We'll all find out when we die, until then why do people get so wound up about it?
Raj Posted 15 June 2008 Posted 15 June 2008 Raj - stop taking this personally. I am attacking faith & religion, the subject of the thread, not you. Sorry!!! Its just an emotive subject i thing people feel hurt if they hear something they dont want to hear,even if they may know its true. People(Like me) should also learn to be able to hear other peoples views without having to believ them and without having to tell people to go for a walk!!! Still love you though!!! Im off to download some photos onto bloody facebook now...GOD give me strength!!!
Zingari Posted 15 June 2008 Posted 15 June 2008 I don't believe there is a God, but I have no way of knowing for sure. I don't know how anyone can say for certain that there is no god, anymore than anyone can say for sure that there is. We'll all find out when we die, until then why do people get so wound up about it? if everyone had your attitude to religion things would be fine and i'm sure no-one would be in the least concerned about the existence or not of any gods . But unfortunately most, if not all religions eventually try to dictate to everyone how their lives should be led purely on the supposed say-so of some mysterious hotline they have with whichever deity they believe in therefore the stupidity of making laws and rules because of belief in gods needs to be emphasised by trying to disprove the existence of god, to take away the authority of religious leaders and this sometimes unavoidably causes offence to believers , but they need to deal with this and not expect non believers to walk around on egg shells when discussing the absurd situations caused by religious laws and influence.
Webbo Posted 15 June 2008 Posted 15 June 2008 if everyone had your attitude to religion things would be fine and i'm sure no-one would be in the least concerned about the existence or not of any gods . But unfortunately most, if not all religions eventually try to dictate to everyone how their lives should be led purely on the supposed say-so of some mysterious hotline they have with whichever deity they believe in therefore the stupidity of making laws and rules because of belief in gods needs to be emphasised by trying to disprove the existence of god, to take away the authority of religious leaders and this sometimes unavoidably causes offence to believers , but they need to deal with this and not expect non believers to walk around on egg shells when discussing the absurd situations caused by religious laws and influence. Reading this thread it seems as if atheism has become a religion in itself, with heretics who dare to disagree and believe in a god abused, insulted and dismissed. The intolerance of which religious people are accused seems to manifesting itself most in the non-believers.
StroudFox Posted 15 June 2008 Posted 15 June 2008 You cant see the wind but you you can feel it on your skin.Its easy to say 'God dont exist cos i cant see him/her" Well how about proving that he/she DOESNT exist???? I am religous and i do believe in a higher state,whether its a god like being or not im not sure but i believe that the way the galaxy etc (The formation of the earth and how the sun,moon all effect it in such perfect motion...etc...) has been formed in such perfection it cant be a coincidence. I couldnt give a fcuk if people dont believe in God,likewise i dont agree with those who go door knocking to 'spread the word of god' If people want to believe in god,they will find something to believe in. The idea of living cant just be about getting pissed,shagging about,eating,puking,money and being a twat. People use religion to start trouble but no true religion would say "we are the only one to believe in and the rest are shit" People interprete things the wrong way in order to justify their own shit"ie Allah stold me if id kill 100 people id go to heaven and shag loads of virgins"...Load of bollox! Ask yourself this non believers....When you find yourself in a circumstance in which you fear the worst,what do you say??? I bet alot of you would say a little prayer or a silent "oh God" (i know i did at Stoke in the last few minutes and i saw alot of others with similar such thoughts!) I pretty much agree with lots that you have said. I feel that religion is a personal thing and lots of people get bullied and picked on because they believe in something, I used to when I was at school. I am a Christian, not a perfect practising one but that is my religion, was christened when I was 11, used to go to church every Sunday but now I don't. I believe that there is a God but I don't go preaching it to everyone. People are entitled to their own opinions. But just as much as I disagree with people forcing their religious beliefs on people, I also disagree with people forcing their non-beliefs on people and telling people they are wrong if they have a faith. This Country has been Christian (Catholic or C of E) for most of time and therefore I believe it is important that children should learn about it, not have it forced down their throats, but be aware of it. I also agree that children should understand other people's faiths, e.g. Islam, Hinduism, Etc as it is not religion that causes wars but prejudice. If people are aware of other beliefs and respect them, there would be less prejudice IMO. p.s. What faith do you believe in Raj? I don't mean to be ignorant!
Teeno Posted 15 June 2008 Posted 15 June 2008 I'm Christian, wouldn't say I am religous though. To me Religion is man made, it 's mans attempt to find god. I believe in the bible, and there is no proof what so ever to show that i is wrong, but as every year goes by there is more and more proof to support the bible. I went to Israel last summer, and the proof of the bible is there. There are some things i stuggle to believe in and I do have a lot of questions. but ultimatly I have a faith, and the things I can't answer are the things I trust god in. I started going to a church in Nottingham a few years ago, mainly with my ex's and her mum. At first I didn't think much of it because I refused to believe it, but I decided to go with an open mind and heart and since I have found it is possible to have a relationship with god. Over the past few years I have been witness to many physical healings, and have seen some amazing works of god that are hust undeniable. There is a revival in Florida at the moment that is being shwn on God Tv every night. I was watching last night as the pastor read and official letter from a doctor of how a pataint was on deaths door due to cancer and after reciveing prayer she was now completely cleared within a week of being on the brink of death. Something that is medically impossible happened and the only explainasion was the power of prayer and intervention of god.
Teeno Posted 15 June 2008 Posted 15 June 2008 He's a changed man!! We'll not overly changed, I'm not the best practising christian you'll ever meet infact im shit . But I just find it impossible not to believe. Any way you ok Lisa? you miss me on here
Flynny Posted 15 June 2008 Posted 15 June 2008 Reading this thread it seems as if atheism has become a religion in itself, with heretics who dare to disagree and believe in a god abused, insulted and dismissed. The intolerance of which religious people are accused seems to manifesting itself most in the non-believers. Yeah, and anti-racists are just prejudiced against racist people! The hypocrites! Being intolerant of intolerance, and logically attacking illogicity does not make the first person as bad as the next. Not at all. I'm sick of hearing that very same kop-out excuse from religious people who resent being dragged back into the real world where (pardon the bluntness) their bullshit has to make sense.
Webbo Posted 15 June 2008 Posted 15 June 2008 Yeah, and anti-racists are just prejudiced against racist people! The hypocrites!Being intolerant of intolerance, and logically attacking illogicity does not make the first person as bad as the next. Not at all. I'm sick of hearing that very same kop-out excuse from religious people who resent being dragged back into the real world where (pardon the bluntness) their bullshit has to make sense. You see this just proves my point, you won't find any of the religious people in this thread calling atheism bullshit. I'm a neutral in this. I don't care what anyone believes, I don't know why anyone else would either. If people find a comfort in their faith then good luck to them. Why do we need all this hostility?
Flynny Posted 15 June 2008 Posted 15 June 2008 You see this just proves my point, you won't find any of the religious people in this thread calling atheism bullshit.I'm a neutral in this. I don't care what anyone believes, I don't know why anyone else would either. If people find a comfort in their faith then good luck to them. Why do we need all this hostility? If anything that favours my point of view, as it happens. You've just blithely ignored my point entirely and focused on the tone of what I said rather than the point I made. Actually address it, would you? I'm fairly sure you'd be quick to call people living their lives according to the tennets of "The Tweenies" bullshit - from my point of view they're almost equally absurd. There's absolutely no reason religion should be as sacrosanct as it is, none at all.
Zingari Posted 15 June 2008 Posted 15 June 2008 You see this just proves my point, you won't find any of the religious people in this thread calling atheism bullshit.I'm a neutral in this. I don't care what anyone believes, I don't know why anyone else would either. If people find a comfort in their faith then good luck to them. Why do we need all this hostility? No maybe not on this forum , but in plenty of places around the world atheist (or believers in other religions) would be put to death for denying the existence of a god or gods i do not hear atheists calling for homosexuals , adulterers etc to be executed or threatened with damnation , but its often said by religious leaders of various faiths ok ; maybe atheist are becoming more militant ( and conversely , religious leaders seem to be taking on the persona of gentile middle england vicars sipping tea ) but this purely a reaction to the stupidity that has been endured throughout the centuries do try to read Dawkins' brilliant book if you can ; it will answer many of the concerns etc that you raise
Webbo Posted 15 June 2008 Posted 15 June 2008 You've just blithely ignored my point entirely and focused on the tone of what I said rather than the point I made. Actually address it, would you? Is this the point you mean? Yeah, and anti-racists are just prejudiced against racist people! The hypocrites! If so, I ignored it because it was such a silly comparison. No one is saying that religion is sacrosanct,if you want to argue against then do, just tone down the unnecessary bitterness and accept that not everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot.
Webbo Posted 15 June 2008 Posted 15 June 2008 do try to read Dawkins' brilliant book if you can ; it will answer many of the concerns etc that you raise I only read pulp fiction, if there's no sex and violence then I'm not interested.
Zingari Posted 15 June 2008 Posted 15 June 2008 I only read pulp fiction, if there's no sex and violence then I'm not interested. sounds like you'd enjoy the bible
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