Wycombe Fox Posted 12 June 2008 Posted 12 June 2008 Cum Hoc Cum Hoc? Sounds like a dodgy German wine!
Zingari Posted 12 June 2008 Posted 12 June 2008 i like the dawkins argument that "everyone is an atheist" ( ie everyone disbelieves in the many gods in other religions) but the true atheist just disbelieves in one more and also quote in my sig
purpleronnie Posted 12 June 2008 Posted 12 June 2008 Hasn't evolution been proved? I mean actual evidence that shows evolution through time? Isnt the big bang been proven? I thought that scientists can actually go back to the first few seconds after the big bang?,they know therefore how the universe was formed and of course earth. I dont think they have proven how life began, but it didnt start with adam and eve that has been proven therefore pretty much everything in the bible is hard to believe. I do believe Jesus was real but I dont believe he was the son of god. I guess im agnostic because what caused the big bang?, I suppose if someone stated god created the big bang. but I havent heard anyone who believes in god also believe in the big bang, I guess if they did it would be more believable..to me anyway. I had a discussion with a very religious work colleague and he said:- 'how can you believe in evolution thats why they call it the theory of evolution' To which I responded:- 'do you believe in gravity' he said:- 'of course' to which I replied:- 'they call that the theory of relitivity' The bible has so many inconsistencies and errors its hard to believe people give there whole life over to it. I guess a lot of people want to believe there is something else, something better out there, and as long as they dont force their beliefs on others I have no problem with that. But blind faith can be dangerous. No-one knows, there are holes in the evolution theory too I guess.
Bert Posted 12 June 2008 Posted 12 June 2008 Im Agnostic. I'm not a church go-er, (Although i do play for a church football team) but i do believe there is a god.
acooling08 Posted 12 June 2008 Author Posted 12 June 2008 Im Agnostic.I'm not a church go-er, (Although i do play for a church football team) but i do believe there is a god. if you believe in a god then you are not agnostic
Guest Posted 12 June 2008 Posted 12 June 2008 I can see where religion stemmed from. I can see why it was needed. I can also see why people still feel the need for religion, to an extent. But the hypocrisy and the one-upmanship, and the sanctimonious telling people how to live their lives, it's wrong. Especially when the three main culprits all come from the same origins. I just don't understand.
Finchy Posted 12 June 2008 Posted 12 June 2008 The result of this vote pleases me Religion is a bad thing, in this day and age i think it's incredible people still believe the bible, but that's just my opinion. as long as they dont force their beliefs on others I have a problem with that too. I think it's ****ing scary how they're brainwashing their kids over in the USA, dunno if anyone's seen any of these programs they keep showing on Channel 4, about the creepy religious kids. I'm glad our country has one of the highest amounts of athiests.
Nationwider Posted 12 June 2008 Posted 12 June 2008 if you believe in a god then you are not agnostic I think you can believe in something in a metaphysical sense without actually validating it's physical existence. I believe in Father Christmas, but I can't justify to myself his actual existence. If we're going for a full-on ontological discussion, we need to get into what is existence.
Flynny Posted 12 June 2008 Posted 12 June 2008 Im Agnostic.I'm not a church go-er, (Although i do play for a church football team) but i do believe there is a god. Why? (I'm only half serious) Also: if you believe that the existance of god is impossible to prove but as likely as something entirely ridiculous and made-up (Flying Spaghetti Monster?), is that Agnosticism?
Finchy Posted 12 June 2008 Posted 12 June 2008 What is the meaning of life? To enjoy the highs and to suffer through the lows of supporting Leicester City.
Daggers Posted 12 June 2008 Posted 12 June 2008 Cum HocThere are plenty of examples. Your cited example is simply stating that conclusions can not be drawn from a correlation unless a reasonable scientific process has been followed...and so I don't understand your point. Dawkins presents conclusions from a scientific perspective and a minute part of his recent tome mentions a link between scientists and belief in a deity, it was not a major part of the book.
MC Prussian Posted 12 June 2008 Posted 12 June 2008 I tend towards agnosticism, but really believe we should put more faith in people. I know, I know. Slag me off for being so foolish.
Daggers Posted 12 June 2008 Posted 12 June 2008 I tend towards agnosticism, but really believe we should put more faith in people.I know, I know. Sounds foolish. The prosecution would like to present exhibit A: Milan Mandaric. I move for a mistrial.
MC Prussian Posted 12 June 2008 Posted 12 June 2008 The prosecution would like to present exhibit A: Milan Mandaric.I move for a mistrial. What about Exhibit B: Daggers? Free of controversy?
Number 6 Posted 12 June 2008 Posted 12 June 2008 Your cited example is simply stating that conclusions can not be drawn from a correlation unless a reasonable scientific process has been followed...and so I don't understand your point. Dawkins presents conclusions from a scientific perspective and a minute part of his recent tome mentions a link between scientists and belief in a deity, it was not a major part of the book. That is kind of my point. I think the issue is more to do with the term 'intelligence'. I assume they based this on IQ. I don't like IQ tests. You may take several, all of which will give different answers. I tend to do badly on ones that involve memory things or perceptiveness, but do well on ones which require you to look for patterns. Therefore this 'intelligence' is a bit of an unfair parameter. For example, Ronaldo is an extremely intelligent footballer, showing creativeness and quick thinking. Doesn't mean he would do well on an IQ test. There are also too may factors in my opinion. I think factors such as upbringing, family bereavements, modern culture and peers probably have more of an affect on religion than intelligence would.
Daggers Posted 12 June 2008 Posted 12 June 2008 That is kind of my point. I think the issue is more to do with the term 'intelligence'. I assume they based this on IQ. I don't like IQ tests. You may take several, all of which will give different answers. I tend to do badly on ones that involve memory things or perceptiveness, but do well on ones which require you to look for patterns. Therefore this 'intelligence' is a bit of an unfair parameter. For example, Ronaldo is an extremely intelligent footballer, showing creativeness and quick thinking. Doesn't mean he would do well on an IQ test. There are also too may factors in my opinion. I think factors such as upbringing, family bereavements, modern culture and peers probably have more of an affect on religion than intelligence would. This ramps out of the initial discussion about his book so I'm going to check out
Trav Le Bleu Posted 12 June 2008 Posted 12 June 2008 Of course God exists. That is indesputable. The question should be rather, "What/who is your god?" It may be LCFC, some one famous, your car or even yourself. We all have something that comes before all else and if that isn't the definition of god, then I don't know what is. And the "the more intelligent people are the more likely they are to be aetheists" arguement is balanced here delicately against the "stupid people follow football" arguement (it's been said - I'm merely quoting others). Religions of all faiths have done great harm to the people of the world. They have also helped and benefited people. To say that all religion, or their followers, are bad is like saying all Germans are Nazis. It's small-minded. I watched the video and it's completely out of context. There are soooo many things wrong with what it says it's unbelievable - to the point that you would have to be "one of these simple people that is easily taken in" to give it any truck - you know, the kind of people who believe in religion Just to start off - the sabbath isn't Sunday, not as it was originally. The Sabbath is sundown Friday to sundown on Saturday. Many Jews still do rigidly observe the Sabbath, as anyone who has been to Golder Green on a Saturday will testify (it's dead). I could go on, but it's boring and it's also late. Marx was right in saying that religon is the opium of the people, to a large degree. Problem is that what most people following religions are doing is following somebody else's interpretation, rather than making their own decisions. Even in my own faith I see that. It saddens me. In short, I believe in god - I also have a Mensa tested IQ of 145
Daggers Posted 12 June 2008 Posted 12 June 2008 Of course God exists. That is indesputable. Prove it?
Tomassi Posted 12 June 2008 Posted 12 June 2008 There is a God, no doubt about it! Proof? well i cant tell you that, i never will be able to either, nor will anyone ever. God made me the way i am and i am proud to be who i am, whatever has come my way and things that has happened in my life. Religions have always fought, no disputing that, but so have the 'athiests' aswel. Also with religion seemingly in decline, up goes the rate in crime, sexual health, adultery amongst other things. The sense of 'communities' is vastly dissapearing and everyone is growing up to dislike each other. Although not christianed and i do not go to church or read the bible, i do believe in God and it is God for which is the reason we are here today.
Raj Posted 13 June 2008 Posted 13 June 2008 You cant see the wind but you you can feel it on your skin. Its easy to say 'God dont exist cos i cant see him/her" Well how about proving that he/she DOESNT exist???? I am religous and i do believe in a higher state,whether its a god like being or not im not sure but i believe that the way the galaxy etc (The formation of the earth and how the sun,moon all effect it in such perfect motion...etc...) has been formed in such perfection it cant be a coincidence. I couldnt give a fcuk if people dont believe in God,likewise i dont agree with those who go door knocking to 'spread the word of god' If people want to believe in god,they will find something to believe in. The idea of living cant just be about getting pissed,shagging about,eating,puking,money and being a twat. People use religion to start trouble but no true religion would say "we are the only one to believe in and the rest are shit" People interprete things the wrong way in order to justify their own shit"ie Allah stold me if id kill 100 people id go to heaven and shag loads of virgins"...Load of bollox! Ask yourself this non believers....When you find yourself in a circumstance in which you fear the worst,what do you say??? I bet alot of you would say a little prayer or a silent "oh God" (i know i did at Stoke in the last few minutes and i saw alot of others with similar such thoughts!)
massillonfan Posted 13 June 2008 Posted 13 June 2008 Christian. God came in the form of a man.His name is Jesus.He shed his blood for all men. This is what I believe.
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