religious or atheist

[MikeyT]

You believe that? You believe that religion isn't fed to and at you on a daily basis? There isn't an aspect of your life that organised religions don't believe they have a right to have an input on.

No i know it is mate, i just choose to shut my eyes and close my ears to it most of the time. Religion doesnt particularly interest me at all, but im about to contradict myself and say theres also freedom of speech (for as long as the politically correct brigade let us have that). I just dont want people knocking at my home and stopping me in the street telling me that "their religion" will save me from eternal damnation or whatever and trying to force their opinions on me, because i aint gonna change my view because some person stops me in the street or comes knocking at my door. My eldest sister is religious and if she cant change my mind, then a complete stranger certainly wont. Do i make any sense?

I know what i mean!

But i do understand what you are saying!

Hopefully my rant will make sense!

[Guest]

We'll not overly changed, I'm not the best practising christian you'll ever meet infact im shit .

But I just find it impossible not to believe.

Any way you ok Lisa? you miss me on here

I am ok, thanks; how about you?

Of course I miss you, there's not enough random posting on here, these days!!

[Steven]

We'll not overly changed, I'm not the best practising christian you'll ever meet infact im shit .

But I just find it impossible not to believe.

Any way you ok Lisa? you miss me on here

We miss you on here and on TB.

[Flynny]

Is this the point you mean?

If so, I ignored it because it was such a silly comparison.

Why? I tried to explain how exactly I meant it instead of just leaving a vague comparison in there, but obviously you decided to just skim to the bit you found vaguely offensive.

[Number 6]

Why? I tried to explain how exactly I meant it instead of just leaving a vague comparison in there, but obviously you decided to just skim to the bit you found vaguely offensive.

I think some atheists are starting to sound like the religious people they put down so much for inflicting their beliefs on others. Yes maybe not always in such an offensive way, but is it so hard to let people have their beliefs?

[l444ry]

Da Vinci, Isaac Newton, Franklin, Washington And Einstein Not Intelligent So Says 'Professor'

The More Intelligent You Are The Less Likely You Are To Believe In God - However Wouldn't It Be Prudent To Hedge Your Bets?

Professor Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at Ulster University, yes Ulster University - that bastion of education and intelligence has announced that only 'dumb asses' believe in God and that 'intelligent' people are non-believers.

"Basically I have no time for Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein or Benjamin Franklin - they are thick as shit if you ask me - they believed in God therefore, despite their achievements, I firmly believe they were actually retards. As for Da Vinci - dunce!"

Lynn, who has provoked controversy in the past by claiming that women and blacks are stupid said academics were less likely to believe in God than almost anyone else.

"Basically there is no God - me and the rest of the intelligent people say so - how can there be? Where is the proof? It is a complete fairy tale - it's a man made tale - superstition created to control the masses - there is no God!" claimed Lynn.

I asked Lynn to explain more to me however he couldn't stay as he was heading to his UFO spotting meeting - and then he was off to his ghost hunting club.

God, a bearded man who lives in the sky, declined to comment

[Number 6]

Da Vinci, Isaac Newton, Franklin, Washington And Einstein Not Intelligent So Says 'Professor'

The More Intelligent You Are The Less Likely You Are To Believe In God - However Wouldn't It Be Prudent To Hedge Your Bets?

Professor Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at Ulster University, yes Ulster University - that bastion of education and intelligence has announced that only 'dumb asses' believe in God and that 'intelligent' people are non-believers.

"Basically I have no time for Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein or Benjamin Franklin - they are thick as shit if you ask me - they believed in God therefore, despite their achievements, I firmly believe they were actually retards. As for Da Vinci - dunce!"

Lynn, who has provoked controversy in the past by claiming that women and blacks are stupid said academics were less likely to believe in God than almost anyone else.

"Basically there is no God - me and the rest of the intelligent people say so - how can there be? Where is the proof? It is a complete fairy tale - it's a man made tale - superstition created to control the masses - there is no God!" claimed Lynn.

I asked Lynn to explain more to me however he couldn't stay as he was heading to his UFO spotting meeting - and then he was off to his ghost hunting club.

God, a bearded man who lives in the sky, declined to comment

idiot. Einstein was an atheist for a start.

[l444ry]

idiot. Einstein was an atheist for a start.

Dogmatic are we? I suggest you go and do a little research.

http://richarddawkins.net/article,871,Eins...p-Faith,Timecom

http://einsteinandreligion.com/

[Number 6]

Dogmatic are we? I suggest you go and do a little research.

http://richarddawkins.net/article,871,Eins...p-Faith,Timecom

http://einsteinandreligion.com/

"I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist."

Einstein letter to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945

[Webbo]

Why? I tried to explain how exactly I meant it instead of just leaving a vague comparison in there, but obviously you decided to just skim to the bit you found vaguely offensive.

I'm not the slightest bit offended. I'm agnostic, totally neutral in this debate. The only thing I'm preaching is peace and love, lets all live and let live eh?

[Zingari]

why does it matter if einstein , newton etc believed in god it proves nothing other than it was the norm at that time

i'm sure intelligent ancient Greeks believed in Olympian gods or unknown brilliant inca or aztecs scholars believed in feathered serpents etc

it did not make those gods any more real

[l444ry]

"I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist."Einstein letter to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945

Out of context. He is saying here that he did not believe in a personal God. His "faith" was of a different kind to that of a dogmatic Jesuit priest.

[l444ry]

why does it matter if einstein , newton etc believed in god it proves nothing other than it was the norm at that time

i'm sure intelligent ancient Greeks believed in Olympian gods or unknown brilliant inca or aztecs scholars believed in feathered serpents etc

it did not make those gods any more real

Quite right Zingari. I'm afraid that Number 6 must be such an anti-religious zealot that he missed the point of the original post, which was an attempt at humour.

[Number 6]

Quite right Zingari. I'm afraid that Number 6 must be such an anti-religious zealot that he missed the point of the original post, which was an attempt at humour.

If you note my previous posts in this thread you might want to retract that.

[l444ry]

If you note my previous posts in this thread you might want to retract that.

That's two attempts at humour which have both fallen on stony ground, so to speak.....

[Number 6]

That's two attempts at humour which have both fallen on stony ground, so to speak.....

note the reply to your first post

[Flynny]

I'm not the slightest bit offended. I'm agnostic, totally neutral in this debate. The only thing I'm preaching is peace and love, lets all live and let live eh?

I think Neville Chamberlain had a similar idea.

(The comparision was purposefully ridiculous that time, I'm only messing)

I think some atheists are starting to sound like the religious people they put down so much for inflicting their beliefs on others. Yes maybe not always in such an offensive way, but is it so hard to let people have their beliefs?

Yeah, actually. Having a persons beliefs "inflicted" on you is very different from having a logical arguement put to you. Very different, in fact.

[Number 6]

I think Neville Chamberlain had a similar idea.

(The comparision was purposefully ridiculous that time, I'm only messing)

Yeah, actually. Having a persons beliefs "inflicted" on you is very different from having a logical arguement put to you. Very different, in fact.

But surely you must accept the fact that that is your 'belief'. It's not provable, yes the scientific evidence all suggests atheism is true, but it's still a belief.

[Flynny]

But surely you must accept the fact that that is your 'belief'. It's not provable, yes the scientific evidence all suggests atheism is true, but it's still a belief.

... no, that's exactly why it's completely, completely different to a belief. Nice one.

[Number 6]

... no, that's exactly why it's completely, completely different to a belief. Nice one.

Unless proven it's a belief.

[Daggers]

People are entitled to their own opinions. But just as much as I disagree with people forcing their religious beliefs on people, I also disagree with people forcing their non-beliefs on people and telling people they are wrong if they have a faith.

Why should religion be any different to any other aspect of belief? If you entered a thread stating that you believed Gordon Brown to be the best Prime Minister we have ever had and that you believe he offers the best solution for the future you would (more like as not) be asked to justify your statement with fact and make an argument in order to be taken seriously.

The religious seem to feel that their faith is above question, a sacrosanct area beyond criticism. It isn't, it is an aspect of life like any other.

I am perfectly happy to debate my atheism without taking comments personally - how come this is never reciprocal?

I believe in the bible, and there is no proof what so ever to show that i is wrong, but as every year goes by there is more and more proof to support the bible.

There is a revival in Florida at the moment that is being shwn on God Tv every night. I was watching last night as the pastor read and official letter from a doctor of how a pataint was on deaths door due to cancer and after reciveing prayer she was now completely cleared within a week of being on the brink of death. Something that is medically impossible happened and the only explainasion was the power of prayer and intervention of god.

1. What aspect of "the bible" is supported by "proof"?

2. There is "no proof" that the bible "is wrong" in what respect?

3. Do you seriously believe that "the only explanation" is prayer and god?

[Dr The Singh]

Why should religion be any different to any other aspect of belief? If you entered a thread stating that you believed Gordon Brown to be the best Prime Minister we have ever had and that you believe he offers the best solution for the future you would (more like as not) be asked to justify your statement with fact and make an argument in order to be taken seriously.

The religious seem to feel that their faith is above question, a sacrosanct area beyond criticism. It isn't, it is an aspect of life like any other.

I am perfectly happy to debate my atheism without taking comments personally - how come this is never reciprocal?

1. What aspect of "the bible" is supported by "proof"?

2. There is "no proof" that the bible "is wrong" in what respect?

3. Do you seriously believe that "the only explanation" is prayer and god?

Alot of generalisations are being made about religions and the religious, we shouldn't tarnish all with the same stick!!

'No-one is above question' SGGS!!!

[Flynny]

Unless proven it's a belief.

Yep, but if I start saying Evolution's proven, I have this horrible feeling you're going to pull out all kinds of arguments that I've seen several times before and take some amounts of time to fully refute. But it is, so there, I've bitten the bullet and gone with it - it's proven.

Continuing to equate matters of faith with theories based on sound evidence is silly anyway. Even if evidence for something isn't conclusive, there's still a world of difference. No amount of semantics is going to change that.

[Number 6]

Yep, but if I start saying Evolution's proven, I have this horrible feeling you're going to pull out all kinds of arguments that I've seen several times before and take some amounts of time to fully refute. But it is, so there, I've bitten the bullet and gone with it - it's proven.

Continuing to equate matters of faith with theories based on sound evidence is silly anyway. Even if evidence for something isn't conclusive, there's still a world of difference. No amount of semantics is going to change that.

I would to say evolution is proven.

I would to say there is a difference in the arguments put forward by religious people and atheists. Religion always ignored science, until it realised it could no longer, and so tried to incorporate it into the scheme of things. That, to me, is ridiculous, but I understand people who want to see it the religious way.

I always thought religion was a want, i.e people want to believe it sometimes more than they actually do. I don't feel any comfort believing that when I die I am gone forever, to me it makes life seem pretty pointless. It's also horrible to think that I will have to say bye to so many loved ones throughout my life. It's for these reasons I envy people with faith and why I wouldn't want to take it away from them.

[Dr The Singh]

I would to say evolution is proven.

I would to say there is a difference in the arguments put forward by religious people and atheists. Religion always ignored science, until it realised it could no longer, and so tried to incorporate it into the scheme of things. That, to me, is ridiculous, but I understand people who want to see it the religious way.

I always thought religion was a want, i.e people want to believe it sometimes more than they actually do. I don't feel any comfort believing that when I die I am gone forever, to me it makes life seem pretty pointless. It's also horrible to think that I will have to say bye to so many loved ones throughout my life. It's for these reasons I envy people with faith and why I wouldn't want to take it away from them.

Big generalisation, not all do!!!