Absolute *** of our time Pt.MXXVI

[Grebfromgrebland]

5 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

I have literally no idea why Trump started this war to be honest.  He seems to be completely mental now.  Weird messages all night, making little sense, contradicting himself in even shorter periods than before.  If you Dad was doing this you would be taking him to the doctors.

 

Someone obviously convinced him this was necessary, for what reason who knows.  Lets however not confuse Trump with the USA.  We have our own differences with the USA as well of course, but Trump is a different level.

It's obvious that the USA (and UK) are totally controlled by Israeli interests. Eg AIPAC.

 

Israel has been wanting to bomb Iran for at least the last 40 years. They finally have a president that can be manipulated to support Israel no matter what the cost to the world.

 

 

[splinterdream]

13 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

Not a single extra pound has been given to the Military yet.  Its all empty promises.  3.8% a year doesn't maintain what we currently have.  It's not all their fault, the Tories are guilty of letting things slide to a pathetic level, but to not react properly to the change in world security in the past year or so is criminal.  See the recent commentary by the former Labour Defence minister.

You're correct but different times, and different priorities,  the problem is defense spending doesn't equal votes so if no conflicts defense spending gets cut.. Really, our problems stem from the banking crisis and the deficit. I'm 51 years old and when i consider when standards of living began to fall, it was probably from around that time, if not before with Blair or Brown in power.

[splinterdream]

16 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

You can deflect as much as you like to avoid the point being made.

 

Given your final sentence, were you as vocal about the 14 years of dismantlement under the Tories? Thought not.

What the hell do you know? Nothing. I was 3 years in to an OU degree and had to pause, when I wanted to return tuition fees would cost me so much I couldn't continue.

Then we have had May and her fudging of Brexit and signing up for net zero.

Then we have had Sunak and Johnson with needless covid lockdowns which cost me my life savings, indefinite leave to remain/Boris wave which will cost us all dearly. You have non crime hate incidents and a complete failure to deal with anything to improve the plight of white working class boys, instead constantly veering to the left.

I hated the 14 years of conservative rule.

[splinterdream]

19 hours ago, ajthefox said:

You can dislike Ed Miliband. You can raise concerns about how we transition to net zero and how we fund it. Fine.

 

But fvck me what is that Garbage excuse for some sort of political position. 

I can't stand hypocrites, anyone thats a member of the Fabian Society really. Idealogue politicians who claim to represent the working class but have no interest in them whatsoever. I cant stand claiming to save the nation £300 off their bills whilst in reality costing people more by wasting money investing in companies exploring geo engineering and carbon capture schemes, as well as give £7.5k grants for heat pumps for those who dont need it whilst removing the heating allowance for pensioners. 

The man is worth a fortune, as is his brother earning a million dollars a year working for a charity the UK gives millions too.

There are many other politicians I could have picked on though, giving my reasons why I think they're ****. Do I think he' equivalent to Saville or Dahmer? Don't be silly, do I think he's a crazy hypocritical liar? Absolutely 

[splinterdream]

2 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

It's obvious that the USA (and UK) are totally controlled by Israeli interests. Eg AIPAC.

 

Israel has been wanting to bomb Iran for at least the last 40 years. They finally have a president that can be manipulated to support Israel no matter what the cost to the world.

 

 

Do you have any disdain for the Iranian islamic regime and sympathise with the plight of the people in that Country that have had to live under that regime? 

[leicsmac]

24 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

What the hell do you know? Nothing. I was 3 years in to an OU degree and had to pause, when I wanted to return tuition fees would cost me so much I couldn't continue.

Then we have had May and her fudging of Brexit and signing up for net zero.

Then we have had Sunak and Johnson with needless covid lockdowns which cost me my life savings, indefinite leave to remain/Boris wave which will cost us all dearly. You have non crime hate incidents and a complete failure to deal with anything to improve the plight of white working class boys, instead constantly veering to the left.

I hated the 14 years of conservative rule.

... perhaps if such assumptions based on apparently incomplete or inaccurate information are so offensive, the same hesitancy towards assumptions might be extended to the field of climate science. 

 

Perhaps the people in that field who have been stating the consequences for decades now should be listened to, as they do in fact know what they're talking about and they actually do know more about it than most others do. Perhaps, in fact, they know enough about their own area - as you know about yours - that we should take their words on faith and just a little trust.

 

Just a thought.

 

Edit: to put it bluntly, if you make assumptions about the knowledge and intent of other people, don't then complain when they do it to you. 

Edited 16 April by leicsmac

[splinterdream]

26 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

... perhaps if such assumptions based on apparently incomplete or inaccurate information are so offensive, the same hesitancy towards assumptions might be extended to the field of climate science. 

 

Perhaps the people in that field who have been stating the consequences for decades now should be listened to, as they do in fact know what they're talking about and they actually do know more about it than most others do. Perhaps, in fact, they know enough about their own area - as you know about yours - that we should take their words on faith and just a little trust.

 

Just a thought.

 

Edit: to put it bluntly, if you make assumptions about the knowledge and intent of other people, don't then complain when they do it to you. 

I work in the gas industry and have done for 33 years. I have no beef with moving away from fossil fuels, I do have a beef when I hear the term the science is settled, it is never settled, i also have a beef with climate alarmists who i believe use it to further a political narrative, and its my opinion we should move at a pace that doesn't cause great national harm. 

I have seen changes in my industry due to the politics of climate change that make no sense whatsoever.

It annoys me when I visit the natural history museum and see an article by 2 stuffed dogs about carbon footprints of pets, I find that personally offensive with what dogs bring to humans, its utter woke nonsense

[Samilktray]

8 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

I work in the gas industry and have done for 33 years. I have no beef with moving away from fossil fuels, I do have a beef when I hear the term the science is settled, it is never settled, i also have a beef with climate alarmists who i believe use it to further a political narrative, and its my opinion we should move at a pace that doesn't cause great national harm. 

I have seen changes in my industry due to the politics of climate change that make no sense whatsoever.

It annoys me when I visit the natural history museum and see an article by 2 stuffed dogs about carbon footprints of pets, I find that personally offensive with what dogs bring to humans, its utter woke nonsense

Nobody showed you how to take a photograph on your mobile telephone? You’ve cut off half the words lmao 

[splinterdream]

2 minutes ago, Samilktray said:

Nobody showed you how to take a photograph on your mobile telephone? You’ve cut off half the words lmao 

It doesn't matter what it says, because its deranged nonsense, like many insights into green policies or any policies of the woke left. 

[Samilktray]

4 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

It doesn't matter what it says, because it’s deranged nonsense, like many insights into green policies or any policies of the woke left. 

If it doesn’t matter what it says why did you upload it? Lmao You sound like a very angry old man who needs to sit and calm down with a cup of tea

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

What the hell do you know? Nothing. I was 3 years in to an OU degree and had to pause, when I wanted to return tuition fees would cost me so much I couldn't continue.

Then we have had May and her fudging of Brexit and signing up for net zero.

Then we have had Sunak and Johnson with needless covid lockdowns which cost me my life savings, indefinite leave to remain/Boris wave which will cost us all dearly. You have non crime hate incidents and a complete failure to deal with anything to improve the plight of white working class boys, instead constantly veering to the left.

I hated the 14 years of conservative rule.

Sorry, are you suggesting that the Tories spent 14 years veering to the left?

 

I think that speaks volumes for what you (think you) know.

[splinterdream]

5 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Sorry, are you suggesting that the Tories spent 14 years veering to the left?

 

I think that speaks volumes for what you (think you) know.

One nation tories moving to a strategy of tax and spend leading to very high taxes when they left office. Record number immigration numbers, high focus on environmental issues, equalities act which whilst doing some good has led to issues, overseeing college of policing woke issues which result in NCHI's, online safety act and various strange censorship acts by govt during Covid. Not very conservative if the ethos of conservatism is low tax and spend, small govt and freedom of the individual citizen, and to conserve tradition. One nation tories and widely criticised by other Conservative politicians as liberals. 

Why do you think your view trumps my view and that of other political opinion? 

 

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, splinterdream said:

One nation tories moving to a strategy of tax and spend leading to very high taxes when they left office. Record number immigration numbers, high focus on environmental issues, equalities act which whilst doing some good has led to issues, overseeing college of policing woke issues which result in NCHI's, online safety act and various strange censorship acts by govt during Covid. Not very conservative if the ethos of conservatism is low tax and spend, small govt and freedom of the individual citizen, and to conserve tradition. One nation tories and widely criticised by other Conservative politicians as liberals. 

Why do you think your view trumps my view and that of other political opinion? 

 

Because it is very obvious where your information comes from and what you choose to believe, and to filter out as inconvenient. You are arguing disingenuously - dismissing anyone who disagrees as woke/left, attempting insult by generalising us as 'ladies' (aren't you witty and original?), feigning concern for the direction of the country, as though nobody else could possibly be as concerned as you, and the dead giveaway, the 'poor white working class male' trope, which is as dishonest and misdirecting as it is dangerous.

 

I wish you well, because you are in for a hell of a nasty shock when the people I fear you vote for get in.

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

I work in the gas industry and have done for 33 years. I have no beef with moving away from fossil fuels, I do have a beef when I hear the term the science is settled, it is never settled, i also have a beef with climate alarmists who i believe use it to further a political narrative, and its my opinion we should move at a pace that doesn't cause great national harm. 

I have seen changes in my industry due to the politics of climate change that make no sense whatsoever.

It annoys me when I visit the natural history museum and see an article by 2 stuffed dogs about carbon footprints of pets, I find that personally offensive with what dogs bring to humans, its utter woke nonsense

Thank you for the clarification. 

 

I do however think you are downplaying the effects of the way our world is changing, both now and in the future. That is of course your prerogative, but the harm caused but not acting or acting too slowly will far exceed the cost of acting swiftly in pretty much every regard. This is a matter of sufficient fact to be pretty nonpartisan imo, unless someone really honestly doesn't care about the future that much. 

 

The laws of thermodynamics do not suffer our denial or excuses about present life. And, should the worst happen, those future generations won't suffer them either. It would be nice to not be remembered as the era of humanity that plunged the next one into a time full of suffering, death and hardship (whether natural or artificial), simply because we couldn't see the big picture and have the empathy to plan (and perhaps sacrifice a bit) accordingly. 

[splinterdream]

4 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Because it is very obvious where your information comes from and what you choose to believe, and to filter out as inconvenient. You are arguing disingenuously - dismissing anyone who disagrees as woke/left, attempting insult by generalising us as 'ladies' (aren't you witty and original?), feigning concern for the direction of the country, as though nobody else could possibly be as concerned as you, and the dead giveaway, the 'poor white working class male' trope, which is as dishonest and misdirecting as it is dangerous.

 

I wish you well, because you are in for a hell of a nasty shock when the people I fear you vote for get in.

Where do you think I get my information? 

My political opinion is based on following politics since my 20's and reading history, mainly political history focusing on socialism/communism. Its also based on being brought up working class, having a working class job, but also having over 30 years experience of working in the homes throughout the country of some of the wealthiest people, to the very poorest, with communities of all different cultures and being lucky enough to have travelled a fair bit. 

There isn't in my opinion a diverse political opinion on the general forums, it tends to be very much to the left, so I lf I bite back, its because theres some people on here that sit on a hill and think they're better than everyone else, something I think is predominant with the left.

I think many have been very shocked by the last 2 years, and it could get worse, whether that be under Labour, the greens or reform. 

I think in terms I want a Country to be proud of with opportunities for my 15 year old daughter, a safe Country for women, a Country where it doesnt matter what colour your skin is, where I can get a retirement where im not worried about getting a doctor's appointment, I can buy a steak for my dinner and keep warm in winter, where I wont have to carry a digital ID to show at every opportunity.

Can't see it though

[splinterdream]

6 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Thank you for the clarification. 

 

I do however think you are downplaying the effects of the way our world is changing, both now and in the future. That is of course your prerogative, but the harm caused but not acting or acting too slowly will far exceed the cost of acting swiftly in pretty much every regard. This is a matter of sufficient fact to be pretty nonpartisan imo, unless someone really honestly doesn't care about the future that much. 

 

The laws of thermodynamics do not suffer our denial or excuses about present life. And, should the worst happen, those future generations won't suffer them either. It would be nice to not be remembered as the era of humanity that plunged the next one into a time full of suffering, death and hardship (whether natural or artificial), simply because we couldn't see the big picture and have the empathy to plan (and perhaps sacrifice a bit) accordingly. 

Can you explain why we pay huge subsidies for this that mean granny smith cant afford to put the boiler on.

Can you explain why in my industry we moved to condensing boilers that are full of non recyclable, last half as long, break down more often and spew out twice the levels of CO/CO2%.

Why do we push for electric cars when they are more harmful to the environment? 

Western govts are pulling back on climate change policies. 

[HighPeakFox]

8 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

Where do you think I get my information? 

My political opinion is based on following politics since my 20's and reading history, mainly political history focusing on socialism/communism. Its also based on being brought up working class, having a working class job, but also having over 30 years experience of working in the homes throughout the country of some of the wealthiest people, to the very poorest, with communities of all different cultures and being lucky enough to have travelled a fair bit. 

There isn't in my opinion a diverse political opinion on the general forums, it tends to be very much to the left, so I lf I bite back, its because theres some people on here that sit on a hill and think they're better than everyone else, something I think is predominant with the left.

I think many have been very shocked by the last 2 years, and it could get worse, whether that be under Labour, the greens or reform. 

I think in terms I want a Country to be proud of with opportunities for my 15 year old daughter, a safe Country for women, a Country where it doesnt matter what colour your skin is, where I can get a retirement where im not worried about getting a doctor's appointment, I can buy a steak for my dinner and keep warm in winter, where I wont have to carry a digital ID to show at every opportunity.

Can't see it though

You do realise we've all been alive for about the same amount of time and equally have observed all around us? 

 

I will absolutely ignore the crap about the left, because it's nonsense. I think we've all been let down by successive governments - there we can agree - but to basically blame the left for the corruption, massive economical and societal destruction of the 14 years of a Tory government reads like 'I made terrible voting choices and cannot admit it'. 

 

I happen not to have been working class (whatever that means) but it doesn't invalidate my opinion, nor does your upbringing elevate yours. I'd be happy to tell you who I have voted for since 1992, I'm wondering if you'd willingly do the same. 

[leicsmac]

14 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

Can you explain why we pay huge subsidies for this that mean granny smith cant afford to put the boiler on.

Because the future cost will be higher. I'm having to repeat myself there, clearly. 

 

The knock on pressures caused by energy prices are a failure of execution rather than intent. Fix the execution, do not abandon the intent. 

 

15 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

 

Can you explain why in my industry we moved to condensing boilers that are full of non recyclable, last half as long, break down more often and spew out twice the levels of CO/CO2%.

 

Can you explain why such a policy decision that flies in the face of reducing carbon emissions would go ahead in the first instance? This is either incompetence or malice from the powers that be of all stripes... or the facts stated here are made up. 

 

17 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

 

Why do we push for electric cars when they are more harmful to the environment? 

 

 

Citation really, really needed. 

 

18 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

 

Western govts are pulling back on climate change policies. 

Biomass really shouldn't be part of any ongoing energy solution anyway and it's disingenuous to suggest it is being touted otherwise. Small fission reactors + tailored renewables is the way forward.

 

And if Western governments are pulling back on such policies, then they, and all of us, are responsible for every single drop of blood spilled as a result of critical resource shortages caused by increasing global average temperature. 

 

Now, in return, seeing as you appear to not want to discuss the big picture, allow me to ask you a question. Two, in fact. 

 

Firstly, what effects do you think the scientifically proven increase in average temperatures will have to our species and biodiversity should we not take enough action to address it? And secondly, do you think those effects are simply the price that future generations will have to pay for our own comfortable lives?

 

Because right now, all I'm hearing is importance being placed on "me" and "now".

[leicsmac]

And by the by, this thread is getting rather derailed so...

 

Yet again, Jon Rudkin.

[SecretPro]

Anyone involved in the Israeli government. Assasinating Paramedics on camera. Well done. 

Edited 16 April by SecretPro

[splinterdream]

29 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

You do realise we've all been alive for about the same amount of time and equally have observed all around us? 

 

I will absolutely ignore the crap about the left, because it's nonsense. I think we've all been let down by successive governments - there we can agree - but to basically blame the left for the corruption, massive economical and societal destruction of the 14 years of a Tory government reads like 'I made terrible voting choices and cannot admit it'. 

 

I happen not to have been working class (whatever that means) but it doesn't invalidate my opinion, nor does your upbringing elevate yours. I'd be happy to tell you who I have voted for since 1992, I'm wondering if you'd willingly do the same. 

I voted Blair in 97 and Conservative ever since. Sometimes I've gladly voted Conservative, and sometimes I've voted Conservative to keep Labour out.

You come across as having a very high opinion of yourself dismissing others opinions whenever you're replying to me, you seem to make assumptions about my opinions, maybe I wasnt clear enough.

 

The conservatives moved to the left. Fact. Like New Labour moved to the right in the opinion of those on the left.

I dont agree with thisbwas a good thing for the Country, this is my political opinion, it maybe right or wrong, but living standards in the Country have gone downhill. The alternative to the Tories was Milliband or Corbyn, my opinion is this would have been far worse.

I don't like socialism, or the modern day left wing politics which seems like it has come from the US which is often defined as 'woke' but seems to me divisive, but I do have opinions that are left wing.

Working class to me is where you may have grown up in a certain household, which may be in many cases a dysfunctional household, where no parents will have gone to University, or where you have ended up in a blue collar job. You may have grown up working class and become middle class. I have often worked in homes where customers would look down there nose at me because i'm a tradesman in overalls 

[worthosoriginals]

3 hours ago, splinterdream said:

It doesn't matter what it says, because its deranged nonsense, like many insights into green policies or any policies of the woke left. 

You are definitely either trump or farage in disguise

[splinterdream]

31 minutes ago, worthosoriginals said:

You are definitely either trump or farage in disguise

Thanks for the insight, if only I could have emulated their success, then I wouldn't be on foxestalk with someones lame pathetic attempt to insult me 

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

I voted Blair in 97 and Conservative ever since. Sometimes I've gladly voted Conservative, and sometimes I've voted Conservative to keep Labour out.

You come across as having a very high opinion of yourself dismissing others opinions whenever you're replying to me, you seem to make assumptions about my opinions, maybe I wasnt clear enough.

 

The conservatives moved to the left. Fact. Like New Labour moved to the right in the opinion of those on the left.

I dont agree with thisbwas a good thing for the Country, this is my political opinion, it maybe right or wrong, but living standards in the Country have gone downhill. The alternative to the Tories was Milliband or Corbyn, my opinion is this would have been far worse.

I don't like socialism, or the modern day left wing politics which seems like it has come from the US which is often defined as 'woke' but seems to me divisive, but I do have opinions that are left wing.

Working class to me is where you may have grown up in a certain household, which may be in many cases a dysfunctional household, where no parents will have gone to University, or where you have ended up in a blue collar job. You may have grown up working class and become middle class. I have often worked in homes where customers would look down there nose at me because i'm a tradesman in overalls 

Opinion, not fact - and thanks for the pathetic ad hominem. I will leave it there, thank you.

[splinterdream]

Just now, HighPeakFox said:

Opinion, not fact - and thanks for the pathetic ad hominem. I will leave it there, thank you.

Course you will 🤣