Operation Decorum

[SussexFox]

Not sure if anyone has already commented on the Spurs fans 'named and shamed' for chanting nasty chants at sol campbell, however I think the whole thing is a joke and shows how pathetic this country really is

A - why name and shame 16 people out of hundreds chanting the same thing

B - the chant is far less offensive than many chants at i've heard at football

C - shouldn't the police have far far better things to do such as crack down on druggies who mug and burgle people or peadophiles who prey on children or gangs who hang around the streets, instead of launching an operation into a few chants

pathetic

[Floating Fox]

Agreed, although I've heard some of it was racist chanting which is out of order although no need to name and shame.

Out of line really. Only happened because non of them can handle it, big girls, they should embrace the banter.

[Ultra]

Racist and homophobic abuse is out of order. End of.

All Campbell did was to leave Spurs for a bigger club. That doesn't deserve the lynch mob treatment from their fans.

The police are right to clamp down on them.

[Floating Fox]

Racist and homophobic abuse is out of order. End of.

All Campbell did was to leave Spurs for a bigger club. That doesn\'t serve the lynch mob treatment from their fans.

The police are right to clamp down on them.

Homophobic chanting isn\'t as bad as racist chanting. Don\'t condone it for one moment, but I don\'t find it anywhere near the scale of racism.

You miss the point that this \"Bigger club\" happened to be their biggest rivals!!! And on a free when they could have got 10m+ from him. He deserves most of the abuse he gets.

[Ultra]

Obviously you're neither gay nor black - otherwise you'd know how intimidating both racism and homophobia can be.

Campbell served Spurs loyally for over a decade, even leading them to a trophy, then exercised his right to move on when his contract expired. That in no way makes him a "Judas ****" as the chant suggests.

In fact anyone who was at Wembley in 99 and witnessed the cowardly behaviour of certain Spurs fans there (as well as the sickening vindictive abiuse of Robbie Savage at White Hart Lane the following week) will conclude that those fans deserve every bit of police harassment that Hampshire plod may wish to give them.

[Shrenchel]

Racist and homophobic abuse is out of order. End of.

All Campbell did was to leave Spurs for a bigger club. That doesn't deserve the lynch mob treatment from their fans.

The police are right to clamp down on them.

Let's have it straight though. Spurs fans openly admit the chants are homophobic, however, they are not racist. I spoke to a mate who was in the spurs end and seen many reports from spurs fans, they say it was the usual anti-sol stuff, nothing racist.

Homophobic chanting isn't on but the police/media know much of the public still have different attitudes to homophobia and racism so they've tried to sensationalise it to justify a nation wide man hunt over a football chant when the average person who takes a kicking in the street can't even get the police to come and take a statement.

Let's have some consistency here. Every week the police stand there and smile whilst homophobic chants emanate from the away ends of brighton and blackpool, a high profile manager sticks his oar in and suddenly 16 randomly selected spurs fans are the most wanted men in britaina and have got there photos splashed accross every paper in the country.

[Raj]

Players should take some shit now and again.

Never should it be racist or gayist or any ist.

However i do feel it is ABIT OTT that the Kops are taking the stance they are.

I mean id sooner them target 'fans' who injure linesman,players with coins,bottles.

Gay bastards!

[DB11]

Obviously you're neither gay nor black - otherwise you'd know how intimidating both racism and homophobia can be.

Campbell served Spurs loyally for over a decade, even leading them to a trophy, then exercised his right to move on when his contract expired. That in no way makes him a "Judas ****" as the chant suggests.

In fact anyone who was at Wembley in 99 and witnessed the cowardly behaviour of certain Spurs fans there (as well as the sickening vindictive abiuse of Robbie Savage at White Hart Lane the following week) will conclude that those fans deserve every bit of police harassment that Hampshire plod may wish to give them.

And you are?

[Raj]

And you are?

He MIGHT be gay?

[The People's Hero]

Homophobic chanting isn\'t as bad as racist chanting. Don\'t condone it for one moment, but I don\'t find it anywhere near the scale of racism.

You miss the point that this \"Bigger club\" happened to be their biggest rivals!!! And on a free when they could have got 10m+ from him. He deserves most of the abuse he gets.

That's bollocks mate, complete bollocks.

I expect better from you.

[Finnegan]

You can't distinguish between homophobic and racist as if they're any different.

This is what gets me about being a "feminist" or being "for gay rights" or being, I don't know, a "postcolonialist." The amount of pro-black rights campaigners that are feverently anti-gay, for example, really drives me nuts.

How can you campaign for the equality of one group and completely shun another?

I can understand how some people could have the belief that homophobic chanting is "lesser" to racist abuse, but in reality that's just enabling ignorant, narrow minded abuse. We either treat everyone as equals or we say 'fuck it' and accept everything. And I can tell you from the off which world I'd rather live in.

[davieG]

If you accept that abuse is acceptable but not when it has racist, homophobic etc content it then becomes more difficult to draw a line of acceptability. (overuse of accept there)

For example it seems ok to sing do you take it up the arse even though the sexual preference of the person being abused is often unknown and even when it is.

It also seems acceptable to abuse 'ginger' people when surely this is a racial trait

It becomes difficult to determine whether someone is being abused because they are black etc or just as a result of general abuse.

Would Campbell have received the same level of abuse if he wasn't black or perceived to be gay, I know the content of the abuse can be telling but some people don't seem to be educated, aware or knowledgeable enough to determine the difference and just join in the abuse without considering what they are actually singing/saying.

Abusing people under the guise of banter, comedy provides people with an easy get out when I suspect that sometimes there's intent to hurt behind it.

People are all different and what one person might take as banter someone else would find it hurtful and offensive.

There's some obvious racist etc abuse and there's some obvious humorous banter but there's a whole section in the middle that I find very grey and open to misinterpretation either way.

[CosbehFox]

There's no difference. Homophobic chanting is of equal footing to racist chanting.

30 years people would make passive comments which implied that being black or a different race from the norm was a negative. Now people make homophobic comments as if it's something negative.

And it's never nice to be accused of your sexuality - esp. in a pressure cooker atmosphere.

[Raj]

There's no difference. Homophobic chanting is of equal footing to racist chanting.

30 years people would make passive comments which implied that being black or a different race from the norm was a negative. Now people make homophobic comments as if it's something negative.

And it's never nice to be accused of your sexuality - esp. in a pressure cooker atmosphere.

In my view thats bollox.

A Gay footballer doesnt have a "label' stuck to him as "I AM GAY!"

It is harder to "Prove' his sexuality.

COLOUR OF SKIN is visible and hence negative comments towards such is highly degrading JUST because of the colour of ones skin.

On another point,chants of fatty,ginger,pineapple head could be classed as in the same light BUT i dont see it as such.

Im sure we've all shouted out such things like fatty(ie Howard!) and i wouldnt class it in the same light as racist chanting

(sorry....i have no real basis for stating that,its just what i believe!!!!)

[davieG]

In my view thats bollox.

A Gay footballer doesnt have a "label' stuck to him as "I AM GAY!"

It is harder to "Prove' his sexuality.

COLOUR OF SKIN is visible and hence negative comments towards such is highly degrading JUST because of the colour of ones skin.

On another point,chants of fatty,ginger,pineapple head could be classed as in the same light BUT i dont see it as such.

Im sure we've all shouted out such things like fatty(ie Howard!) and i wouldnt class it in the same light as racist chanting

(sorry....i have no real basis for stating that,its just what i believe!!!!)

In most of those or similar cases they are result of life choices (although some obesity can be due to illness) but surely being ginger is no different to being black in that it is a racial trait, I personally don't see the difference.

[Head Honcho]

I don't know what all the fuss is about tbh but if someone feels they've been offended then obviously something should be done to prevent this happening again.

If they are found to be guilty they will be dealt with but a conviction will be hard to get imo so another waste of tax payers money.

If they are convicted then maybe we should just ban any kind of chanting at football

I'm not black or gay but I am balding and although I couldn't give a toss when someone calls me a bald headed bastard some might.

This might not be too pc but there are still a lot of black people out there with chips on their shoulders and some may say rightly so, but some just use the race card to feed their own agenda and are in fact just as racist as us whiteys.

[CosbehFox]

In my view thats bollox.

A Gay footballer doesnt have a "label' stuck to him as "I AM GAY!"

It is harder to "Prove' his sexuality.

COLOUR OF SKIN is visible and hence negative comments towards such is highly degrading JUST because of the colour of ones skin.

On another point,chants of fatty,ginger,pineapple head could be classed as in the same light BUT i dont see it as such.

Im sure we've all shouted out such things like fatty(ie Howard!) and i wouldnt class it in the same light as racist chanting

(sorry....i have no real basis for stating that,its just what i believe!!!!)

I believe homosexual people are born with it - just like everyone's skin colour. The ginger argument is nonsense and things like Fatty and pineapple head are subsequent of people's decisions.

It's still universally taboo to declare yourself gay. So you'll never get a football come out in the current way of society. In possibly the same it was for a black or asian lad to go down the footy 40 years ago.

Personally, I think a lot of people are saying this out of ignorance without really know anyone whose gay.

And the coppers are going a bit too far with this tracking down of fans.

[Raj]

In most of those or similar cases they are result of life choices (although some obesity can be due to illness) but surely being ginger is no different to being black in that it is a racial trait, I personally don't see the difference.

Fair enough point.

Im not trying to justify anything that taunts or upsets people.

Just think race/colour taunts are of a higher degree of hatred towards people.

On the whole people who would call me a paki bastard genuinely hate 'brown people'

However those who have called me "fat twat' '4 eyes' etc... have just taunted in jest.

Wars have been strted over race/colour.

People have had to sit in back of buses cos of color(re Rosa Parks)

I cant think of such instances of a ginger bloke being segregated cos of his hair colour.

Or a whole nation of fatties having to fight for their right to vote!!!

[SussexFox]

This might not be too pc but there are still a lot of black people out there with chips on their shoulders and some may say rightly so, but some just use the race card to feed their own agenda and are in fact just as racist as us whiteys.

I f you sang the exact same chant to a white player noone would have cared less

[Samilktray]

Cant see how anyone is trying to excuse this.

What complete and utter bollocks, and I could care less about chanting and football fans n the like.

[Floating Fox]

That's bollocks mate, complete bollocks.

I expect better from you.

I'm sorry, but I really, feel their is a difference between being homophobic and racism.

Before anyone jumps the gun I'd also like to point out that I am not homophobic myself (God I sound like half the BNP members trying to say their not racist! ). I have gay friends, and have been in gay clubs and not had any problems with them.

I also wasn't one of the little chavs constantly singing homophobic songs at Brighton either!

You have no choice of your ethnicity. You have a choice over your sexuaulity.

That doesn't make it right for one minute, but its just as bad as mocking someones weight.

[Jon the Hat]

You have no choice of your ethnicity. You have a choice over your sexuaulity.

That is your belief, but many other do not share it. Do you choose to be attracted to women? No? Why do you think for one second people who are homosexual make a concious decision to be attracted to their own sex if straight people accept that they just are? Is it not in fact the case that they, just like you or I have no concious control over who they are attracted to?

The argument that becuase something can be concealed that it is somehow less damaging than something which can't is also flawed.

[CosbehFox]

its just as bad as mocking someones weight.

It's a bit more easier to whip yourself into shape. After losing so much weight myself, there is no victim when it comes to obesity. The person has one person to blame and that's themselves, after the initial two weeks or so of displincing your life, it's easy.

Sadly you don't get those options if you are gay. You can't change it.

[Thracian]

It's cynical, high profile, PC, demonstrably anti-white opportunism.

For me there is no defending abuse of any kind at a football ground, be it racist, sexist, anti-gay, anti-straight, anti pony tails or anything else.

But you don't see people who yell abuse at white referees being named and shamed, or those who aim abuse at white players or managers.

Abuse is only considered to be serious when it's aimed at blacks and when the government and their agents can earn some idealogical brownie points out of it.

I wonder how quick this Government would act if there is ever a case for positive discrimination in favour of whites, or if they'd ever act at all.

Cos I don't believe it.

They and their increasingly tame agents are cynically hypocritical.

On the one hand they name and shame the football chanters and I've no problem at all with that, as such.

But do they ever name and shame paedophiles?

Or known black gang members in, say, Edmonton or Brixton?

You bet they don't.

White football fans are fair game for a whacking and have been for a long time, sometimes literally as many who went to Derby away last season may remember.

But paedophiles have to be protected and to name and shame black gang members would be far too inflamatory. There'd be riots on the streets.

Like I've long said this Government has no interest in fairness. There's one attitude to the whites who they'll undermine at every turn whether if be with positive discrimination or with unfair bias against them in other situations.

But they have an altogether more concilliatory and accomodating attitude to other races and will even try to hide any statistics that might prove inflamatory or demonstrate their disinclination to tackle a problem which involves non-white communities.

For instance knife crime. Will the Government publicise the number of whites involved in knife crime compared with the number from non-white backgrounds.

Or rapes? Will they do the same?

Of course not. It's much safer to stick with naming and shaming a few white football fans than even anonymously shaming non-whites.

By all means try searching for the stats. They may be there somewhere but, if so, they are well hidden where I've looked.

But would it matter if I found em when I can leave you with this which demonstrates just how fair this Government likes to be when it comes to anti-social behaviour in our inner cities:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/20...rime-knifecrime

Racism? This Government is about as racist in its anti-white attitudes as any we've had and should name and shame it's own before anyone else.

[Thracian]

"Obviously you're neither gay nor black - otherwise you'd know how intimidating both racism and homophobia can be."

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It's no worse than being white under this Government. When it comes to being intimidated in all sorts of situations you should start with them, pal.