Cheap foreign labour

[Daggers]

Seems we have a French company being extremely insensitive to the feelings of unemployed British workers who could do this job and that the situation makes an utter mockery of the Brown remark.

Reading below there is obviously great concern because various people are starting to wriggle as fast as they can, But whatever the eventual outcome there is every likelihood that British workers have been treated unfairly as potential recruits.

Nothing new in that of course. And you can bet that cheap labour is at the heart of the decision making, cheap labour which almost certainly shows that British workers and the Italian/Portuguese are not competing on a level playing field.

And part of the reason for that is down to the unnecessarily high cost of living in the UK (due to the Government's reckless spending) which in turn prices British workers out of the jobs which Gordon Brown says the Brits will have.

Also reading below there seems like a considerable hint in the last paragraph that British people will/have been "done out" of jobs. If only indirectly.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090130/tuk-b...ne-a7ad41d.html

Sorry? I read that article and it (again) is nothing more than guff and nonsense. As I pointed out, staff being used on these contracts are all currently employed by the tendering contractors who, had they had to go through appointment processes in this country would have incurred higher costs which would eventually be born by the consumer...you know, those people who are feeling the effects of the high cost of living you are banging on about - those British types.

There isn't any concern, there's just a bunch of people being whipped up by idiots and the idiotic press who are simply creating stories from nothing.

I'm not one to defend the sitting government, but this has piss all to do with them and linking the two is plain daft.

[lookwhaticando]

Good on the English for walking out, its about time we took action in a way to get more jobs for English people!!

BNP?

[Samilktray]

THEY TOOK UURRR JOOOOOOOOOOOBS!

:laugh:

[Phube]

Why isn't everyone striking about all the out sourcing the manufacturing industry has been doing for YEARS!!

[Guest]

I take it if we, as a nation, successfully kick out these foreigners who are taking our jobs, we will be bringing back all those UK citizens who are earning a living or studying overseas?

I think you'd better start packing, Valerenga and Lookydoo!!

[Alexikokopops]

OH FOR FUCK'S SAKES!!

Every bastard, cunting time I come into a thread with a funny response in mind some long-haired, student-wannabe, hippy-looking tit has posted it first.

I was gunna post it as well geez. Maybe it aint that funny/original after all. I'm still broken though.

Haha, we were doing it at work all day every time the story came on the news.

[hairy]

This really pisses me off!

Last time I looked I held a European passport, not a British passport anymore. The same passport the Italian and Portugese have. How can they be foreign?

[Dr The Singh]

This really pisses me off!

Last time I looked I held a European passport, not a British passport anymore. The same passport the Italian and Portugese have. How can they be foreign?

Hmmmm, I was thinking the same, the whole point about the EU was so there could be fee trade of skills and labour. Unfortunately hard times and hardship divides communites and ideals......people tend to become narrow and protect what's most close to them!!!

[Webbo]

As I stated in another thread I'm no fan of protectionism and I'm certainly no fan of strike action, picket lines etc. I don't disagree with anyone who says that foreign labour should be allowed into the the country, but come on guys, cut these people a little slack.

When you have a safe job in the public sector or a high up office job somewhere in a successful company it's easy to look down your nose at men who just want the chance to work. If you'd been out of work for 6/12 months as lots in the building trade have it must be galling to see workers imported from 1000 miles away to do a job you could just as easily do yourself.

I know building tradesmen are often bolshy, lazy and greedy (like a large chunk of the working population) and don't do themselves any favours. But have a heart people, their reaction to this situation is entirely understandable, if not entirely justified.

[Thracian]

As I stated in another thread I'm no fan of protectionism and I'm certainly no fan of strike action, picket lines etc. I don't disagree with anyone who says that foreign labour should be allowed into the the country, but come on guys, cut these people a little slack.

When you have a safe job in the public sector or a high up office job somewhere in a successful company it's easy to look down your nose at men who just want the chance to work. If you'd been out of work for 6/12 months as lots in the building trade have it must be galling to see workers imported from 1000 miles away to do a job you could just as easily do yourself.

I know building tradesmen are often bolshy, lazy and greedy (like a large chunk of the working population) and don't do themselves any favours. But have a heart people, their reaction to this situation is entirely understandable, if not entirely justified.

Mildly put but no truer words.

I just hope the police and army don't start siding with the Government arseholes who smugly call the strikes "unjustified" while greedily feeding from the troughs of plenty and in ways they shouldn't. Nor with the lowlifes of Total who have been so insenstive and disregarding of the problems currently being faced by British workers'.

Because from what I can see it would take very little to galvanise a whole lot of pissed off people into responding.

[Thracian]

Hmmmm, I was thinking the same, the whole point about the EU was so there could be fee trade of skills and labour. Unfortunately hard times and hardship divides communites and ideals......people tend to become narrow and protect what's most close to them!!!

I wonder what you'd do in the same situation given your, presumably, broader view?

Cos like I say, a whole lot about the conceding of powers from the UK to Europe was never sanctioned by the people at all but was spirited in by politicians with people feeling powerless to do anything about it.

Even the referendum we were promised was shelved because the Labour Party didn't like what the outcome would have been.

Other countries did have referendums of course and voted against conceding more powers to Europe. But the politicians have never accepted those votes as the final view of the people. They have since sought constantly to fashion a change of view.

And if any new vote said "yes" you could bet then that it would be the end of it.

That's not government for the people. It is shameful manipulation and pressurisation. It is people like Mandelson claiming that they know better.

[Thracian]

Sorry? I read that article and it (again) is nothing more than guff and nonsense. As I pointed out, staff being used on these contracts are all currently employed by the tendering contractors who, had they had to go through appointment processes in this country would have incurred higher costs which would eventually be born by the consumer...you know, those people who are feeling the effects of the high cost of living you are banging on about - those British types.

There isn't any concern, there's just a bunch of people being whipped up by idiots and the idiotic press who are simply creating stories from nothing.

I'm not one to defend the sitting government, but this has piss all to do with them and linking the two is plain daft.

Of course the rules of Europe are to do with our Government and people in our ruling party. People like Kinnock and Mandelson have subtly rammed Europe down our throats for years whether we've wanted the rules or not.

[Babylon]

Agree about their women though!

All the ones I've seen working here look like they've escaped from a Victorian freak show.

[Dr The Singh]

I wonder what you'd do in the same situation given your, presumably, broader view?

Cos like I say, a whole lot about the conceding of powers from the UK to Europe was never sanctioned by the people at all but was spirited in by politicians with people feeling powerless to do anything about it.

Even the referendum we were promised was shelved because the Labour Party didn't like what the outcome would have been.

Other countries did have referendums of course and voted against conceding more powers to Europe. But the politicians have never accepted those votes as the final view of the people. They have since sought constantly to fashion a change of view.

And if any new vote said "yes" you could bet then that it would be the end of it.

That's not government for the people. It is shameful manipulation and pressurisation. It is people like Mandelson claiming that they know better.

Thrac, I sympathise with those that feel hard done by cheaper foriegn labour, and yes I agree with your statement on our government conceding powers to to the EU, we put those in charge to make those decision, many have benefited and many have not. Hence I can see the current governments popularity even more dwindling bacause there leader made the stupidist and most unrealistic statement of 'British jobs for British people'

On a personal note, who knows I could be unemployed very soon and my job could be outsourced. I would feel bitter and let down by the government. I have no issues with protesting. But we all should know that nothing illegal has been done, again it's another cog and movement of capatilism!!

[Thracian]

Thrac, I sympathise with those that feel hard done by cheaper foriegn labour, and yes I agree with your statement on our government conceding powers to to the EU, we put those in charge to make those decision, many have benefited and many have not. Hence I can see the current governments popularity even more dwindling bacause there leader made the stupidist and most unrealistic statement of 'British jobs for British people'

On a personal note, who knows I could be unemployed very soon and my job could be outsourced. I would feel bitter and let down by the government. I have no issues with protesting. But we all should know that nothing illegal has been done, again it's another cog and movement of capatilism!!

I certainly didn't put them in and if I remember right even the English didn't put them in the last time - it was the combined weight of Welsh and Scottish votes that got them elected.

Anyway, it's not going to change now and far more important is that I hope you get to keep your job. The erosion of jobs is like a creeping plague. It's getting everywhere.

My sister's boyfriend is one of the best mechanics I've ever met with years of service, endless hours of overtime and a real dedication to his work but he's just had the dreaded talk and been informed that one of the four mechanics has to go.

It's such a waste all round and while good men are getting shafted the shits who've been responsible have lined their pockets and stuck two fingers up.

Sorry Singhy, but it winds me up big time.

[Guest]

I certainly didn't put them in and if I remember right even the English didn't put them in the last time - it was the combined weight of Welsh and Scottish votes that got them elected.

Scotland's population is about 5m, Wales is considerably less. That leaves over 50m English people.

Do the devolved countries get more votes than us, or something?

[lookwhaticando]

All the ones I've seen working here look like they've escaped from a Victorian freak show.

Freaky.

[Thracian]

Scotland's population is about 5m, Wales is considerably less. That leaves over 50m English people.

Do the devolved countries get more votes than us, or something?

Not unless you count all the sheep they've got in Wales.

It was all to do with seats if memory serves, which I'm not 100% sure it does. But I'm quite sure Ultra would know. And why not?

At my age I probably shouldn't care anyway. Both are inspiring and beautiful countries with their great outdoors, their picture postcard but wild and challenging golf courses, such spirited and talented people so many of whom genuinely embrace the spirit of socialism.

For such comparatively small lands they've produced people who've had an incredible influence on British politics and it's not that I'm altogether unsympathetic to the beliefs of socialism, quite the contrary in many ways.

It's more that I believe in people being urged to help, look after and better themselves if at all possible rather than having the state deciding what's right and wrong for them. constantly watching them and forever directing their thoughts and actions.

Economically, after the irresponsibility of the banking community caused the crisis we're most of us now becoming victims

of, one could perhaps see the sense in State Controlled banking around a free-market economy.

But a moment's reflection on the Lords being investigated for corruption and you just know it would all end up with another governing elite controlling another set of serfs.

To hell with it. I'll concentrate on my beer, my wine, my business, my golf and my waistline while leaving Ultra to sort the country out and you to jail anyone who rocks the boat. At least for tonight.

[Ultra]

Not unless you count all the sheep they've got in Wales.

It was all to do with seats if memory serves, which I'm not 100% sure it does. But I'm quite sure Ultra would know. And why not?

In 2005, the Tories had more votes than Labour in England, yet Labour won 90 more seats. And the majority grew even wider once the Scottish and Welsh votes were taken into account.

At my age I probably shouldn't care anyway. Both are inspiring and beautiful countries with their great outdoors, their picture postcard but wild and challenging golf courses, such spirited and talented people so many of whom genuinely embrace the spirit of socialism.

A lot of that will have been due to the industries, particularly shipbuilding and coal mining, both of which were wrecked by Thatcher.

It's more that I believe in people being urged to help, look after and better themselves if at all possible rather than having the state deciding what's right and wrong for them. constantly watching them and forever directing their thoughts and actions.

It's impossible to remove the role of the state altogether. There are many ways in which it makes a positive contribution to people's quality of life at both national and local levels..

Economically, after the irresponsibility of the banking community caused the crisis we're most of us now becoming victims of, one could perhaps see the sense in State Controlled banking around a free-market economy.

Without launching into the Marxist analysis that helped me through uni, I have to advise that situation is inherently unstable anyway.

But a moment's reflection on the Lords being investigated for corruption and you just know it would all end up with another governing elite controlling another set of serfs.

The House of Lords is by definition reliant on corruption and patronage, and always has been. The latest revelations are therefore of no great surprise. But they're pretty small fish compared to the sharks who roam the City of London and Wall Street, and control many global corporations.

To hell with it. I'll concentrate on my beer, my wine, my business, my golf and my waistline while leaving Ultra to sort the country out and you to jail anyone who rocks the boat. At least for tonight.

I think this topic can be revisited in some depth come Saturday night in the S & R..

[Thracian]

In 2005, the Tories had more votes than Labour in England, yet Labour won 90 more seats. And the majority grew even wider once the Scottish and Welsh votes were taken into account.

A lot of that will have been due to the industries, particularly shipbuilding and coal mining, both of which were wrecked by Thatcher.

It's impossible to remove the role of the state altogether. There are many ways in which it makes a positive contribution to people's quality of life at both national and local levels..

Without launching into the Marxist analysis that helped me through uni, I have to advise that situation is inherently unstable anyway.

The House of Lords is by definition reliant on corruption and patronage, and always has been. The latest revelations are therefore of no great surprise. But they're pretty small fish compared to the sharks who roam the City of London and Wall Street, and control many global corporations.

I think this topic can be revisited in some depth come Saturday night in the S & R..

[BoneDog]

If everyone in this country stopped blaming the 'foreigners' and blamed the real culprits for the problems, the government, then we could sort out our problems a piece of piss. The government love it when everyone starts fighting eachother cos it shifts the blame. If everyone was united then we could get anything we wanted (pay-wise, energy bill-wise etc.). They are laughing their heads off at us, the country is playing right into their hands

[Thracian]

If everyone in this country stopped blaming the 'foreigners' and blamed the real culprits for the problems, the government, then we could sort out our problems a piece of piss. The government love it when everyone starts fighting eachother cos it shifts the blame. If everyone was united then we could get anything we wanted (pay-wise, energy bill-wise etc.). They are laughing their heads off at us, the country is playing right into their hands

I think you'll find politics is out. Dags is pissed off and, on reflection, I don't blame him. I've slapped my own wrist for getting so wound up and hope he's gonna accept my offer of a drink by way of sincere apology when we next meet.