Hallowe'en

[Guest]

I'm not a fan of trick or treating, but can think of much better arguments against it.....

[Suffolk_fox]

What utter total shite.

Little wonder that the Church is seeing less and less bums on seats! The days when the Church held power over the great unwashed with tales of fire and brimstone are long gone.

I have had growing disillusionment with the Church for a fair while now - especially when they insisted to my son that dinosaurs are a myth and that the Earth is only about 6000 years old - and they know this by tracing Christ's 'ancestors' back to Adam.

So when they spout crap like this - sorry, some of us are a little more free of thought than the poor brainwashed suckers who swell the coffers each week.

Hear endeth the first lesson

[Guest Mee-9]

Seem's like the church is stuck in the Middle ages.

Pretty ignorant and silly tbh.

[Zingari]

just a bit of harmless fun ,

i've heard there's a great tradition of "bobbing for apples in Somalia"

[stez]

i thought hallowe'en was supposed to be some shiz about remembering the dead or summat. that's what christians do every sunday. (although they split hairs by saying he was 'risen')

[davieG]

I'm not a fan of trick or treating, but can think of much better arguments against it.....

Agree.

Read this in the Merc and thought not one of the reason they gave for disliking it, and I agreed with quite a few of them had any connection what so ever to do with devil worshipping.

[Daggers]

Troy Jenkinson, head teacher at Stathern Primary School, which is holding a Halloween family disco, said: "I can definitely say we are not siding with the Devil.

I can definitely say that there is no devil.

[Asha]

The Christian perspective of Hallowe'en is that the 'festival' celebrated by many is connected with worshipping the devil. The 'festival' has strong roots in paganism, and glorifies the 'dark side', when Christians should always be more interested in glorifying Jesus Christ.

Personally, I have a strong dislike for Hallowe'en. Knocking on a strangers door and demanding 'treats' would probably be considered anti-social, or morally unright for the rest of the year, so why is October the thirty-first any different? I fail to see how purchasing an 89p witches mask from the local co-op should give you that right.

People lose sight of the real meaning behind these things though. Out of my generation, very very few people will know that what they are 'celebrating' is pure evil.

[AimeeJones1988]

Trick or Treat is just some tacky American import. I hate it, I hate it, I hate it. The notion of someone coming to someone's door with the threat that they will fall victim to an unpleasant prank if they do not give them an unearned, undeserved treat pisses me right off. A friend suggested that Trick or Treat be simply renamed Happy Halloween and (young) children knocked on doors and just got a couple of cola bottles or Mojos.

I was taught that Halloween was All Hallows Eve, meaning the day before All Saints Day. That'll be the Christian take on it I'm sure, but the Pagans are usually in there somewhere too.

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[Fosse Boy]

Anyone who tries to beg for sweets from me can do one, even though I am a big fan of paganism.

[Jordan]

Trick-or-treating is for babies; October 31 is National Dress Like a Whore Day.

(but seriously, as I live right across town from Sleepy Hollow, Halloween is quite a big deal 'round these parts).

[BoneDog]

I have bought a witches nose, fake teeth and other stuff. I'm gonna shit the kids up this year by hiding behind me wheelie bin

[Guest]

The Christian perspective of Hallowe'en is that the 'festival' celebrated by many is connected with worshipping the devil. The 'festival' has strong roots in paganism, and glorifies the 'dark side', when Christians should always be more interested in glorifying Jesus Christ.

Hmmm. Paganism isn't about worshipping the Devil. That just smacks of ignorance. Especially as when the Christians came over here and tried to convert the pagan population, they chose pagan celebrations to promote Christian ones. So as Aimee says, they chose to place All Saints Day next to All Hallows Eve, which is just a festival to remember and celebrate the ancestors (as stez says). I mean, where do you think Harvest Festival comes from? That's pagan!!

[James.]

The Christian perspective of Hallowe'en is that the 'festival' celebrated by many is connected with worshipping the devil. The 'festival' has strong roots in paganism, and glorifies the 'dark side', when Christians should always be more interested in glorifying Jesus Christ.

Personally, I have a strong dislike for Hallowe'en. Knocking on a strangers door and demanding 'treats' would probably be considered anti-social, or morally unright for the rest of the year, so why is October the thirty-first any different? I fail to see how purchasing an 89p witches mask from the local co-op should give you that right.

People lose sight of the real meaning behind these things though. Out of my generation, very very few people will know that what they are 'celebrating' is pure evil.

Eh? It's just a laugh. I'll be going to a fancy dress party and getting drunk.

If that means I'm a devil worshipper then I reckon the dark side is a hell of a lot more fun than whatever you lot get up to on the other side.

[hairy]

I can definitely say that there is no devil.

Bugger!

So all these years of dancing around fires in nothing but a loin cloth, drinking sheeps blood and taking the wife roughly in front of the clan have been for nothing! Still I wil have the memories.

[Guest Bilo]

I can definitely say that there is no devil.

Correct y'are.

Hmmm. Paganism isn't about worshipping the Devil. That just smacks of ignorance. Especially as when the Christians came over here and tried to convert the pagan population, they chose pagan celebrations to promote Christian ones. So as Aimee says, they chose to place All Saints Day next to All Hallows Eve, which is just a festival to remember and celebrate the ancestors (as stez says). I mean, where do you think Harvest Festival comes from? That's pagan!!

Very true, Christianity borrows much from pagan tradition and Roman polytheism in terms of festival dates. Many don't seem to realise this. Paganism and devil worship are so far apart as to be entirely unrelated, the only reason they're connected at all is through centuries of Christian propaganda aimed at discrediting the old religions of Britain and Europe. The pentagram is perhaps the best example of this, a symbol of faith representing the four elements and human spirit has been turned into a symbol of devil worship by those with a Christian agenda. Ignorance is the best word for those who equate paganism with devil worship, perhaps not wilful ignorance, but ignorance all the same.

EDIT: I should point out I myself am not a pagan but have been a bit of a geek on the subject.

[Dr The Singh]

Eh? It's just a laugh. I'll be going to a fancy dress party and getting drunk.

If that means I'm a devil worshipper then I reckon the dark side is a hell of a lot more fun than whatever you lot get up to on the other side.

There's a distinct difference between worshipping the devil or acts of the devil(if such a thing exists) and having fun at the precepts of such a creature. I think some religious folk inparticular take a fun day\night alittle too seriously, as long as your not doing any harm to anyone, then great, dress as what you like, have fun, and i'm sure every religion has nothing against having fun................

[BoneDog]

Very true, Christianity borrows much from pagan tradition and Roman polytheism in terms of festival dates. Paganism and devil worship are so far apart as to be entirely unrelated, the only reason they're connected at all is through centuries of Christian propaganda aimed at discrediting the old religions of Britain and Europe. The pentagram is perhaps the best example of this, a symbol of faith representing the four elements and human spirit has been turned into a symbol of devil worship by those with a Christian agenda.

Christians didn't borrow these dates, certain powerful Christian leaders did. And this is because these 'leaders' were still secretly practising other things in secret. Crimbo for example is a Sun worship day, so they made it into a supposed Christian celebration just to get half the world celebrating on this day (which is very important to the elite who still worship the Sun. Which is one reason for 'Sun'Day being turned into the supposed Holy day).

As for the pentagram, it does mean other things to other belief systems i agree, but it is still very important to devil worshippers. There is such a thing as magic (I know most folk think not). Have you ever done a ouijaboard when you were younger? I have, and I can say that things happened (not just a glass flying around a board). And there are much more powerful forms of magic. A ouija is just a poxy bit of fun compared to other stuff.

EDIT : For 325 years after Jesus, Christians didn't celebrate anything on Dec 25th, they just used to try and live good lives like Jesus told us to. They only started celebrating that day after The Council Of Nicea declared that day a 'celebration'.

[Uncle Albert]

Hallowe'en 2007 - cracking night.

McAuley - Campbell - Cort.

[AjcW]

Hallowe'en 2007 - cracking night.

McAuley - Campbell - Cort.

Best halloween ever.

I really doubt QPR(almost halloween) will live up to that somehow

[Tommeh]

6-10 - genuine go out gets as many sweets as possible to last you till x-mas.

11-16 - wear a hood hit the off license buy eggs, throw at houses of people you dislike.

17 - Chelsea away

18+ dress up get pissed. Just got my invite to potentially the best party in the UK on the 31st. One look at the girl hosting will give anyone a stalk.

[davieG]

Christians didn't borrow these dates, certain powerful Christian leaders did. And this is because these 'leaders' were still secretly practising other things in secret. Crimbo for example is a Sun worship day, so they made it into a supposed Christian celebration just to get half the world celebrating on this day (which is very important to the elite who still worship the Sun. Which is one reason for 'Sun'Day being turned into the supposed Holy day).

As for the pentagram, it does mean other things to other belief systems i agree, but it is still very important to devil worshippers. There is such a thing as magic (I know most folk think not). Have you ever done a ouijaboard when you were younger? I have, and I can say that things happened (not just a glass flying around a board). And there are much more powerful forms of magic. A ouija is just a poxy bit of fun compared to other stuff.

EDIT : For 325 years after Jesus, Christians didn't celebrate anything on Dec 25th, they just used to try and live good lives like Jesus told us to. They only started celebrating that day after The Council Of Nicea declared that day a 'celebration'.

Me thinks you're splitting hairs, surely the Christian Leaders were also Christians even if they weren't very nice ones.

[BoneDog]

Me thinks you're splitting hairs, surely the Christian Leaders were also Christians even if they weren't very nice ones.

No, they were not practising Christians, they were upto other things in reality. I won't go into it though. The real Christians just got told when they were going to celebrate and how. And that was that, we had a new 'celebration'.

There are still many examples of 'leaders' who pretend to be Christians e.g Bush because he knew that he would have 70 million votes guaranteed. Pretend Christians like cult leaders etc. whose actions show that they are not Christian at all.

[Fox92]

I don't like halloween.

I am at work on halloween.

Work say that you can go to work dressed up, what the hell? Do they really think I am going to do that...

[BoneDog]

I don't like halloween.

I am at work on halloween.

Work say that you can go to work dressed up, what the hell? Do they really think I am going to do that...

This bummer is If I was his uncle or brother he'd get a slap I can tell ya. I'd throttle him while shouting 'SNAP OUT OF IT MAN'. Nearly 20 years old and he's a 'vampire'.