EDL (English Defence League)

[ozleicester]

Bottom line,

Everyone should be free to believe and worship what they choose as long as it does not harm anyone else.

Sadly...most (if not all) religions seek to have power over people and therefore immediately cause harm.

[accessory]

Well no you aren't being racist, thats where I would agree with you wholeheartedly, its true that people of a specific culture do not make the effort to integrate, this is usually more of the case with the older generation immigrants coming from abroad. They are given free homes and money by the government and are expected to do nothing in return, which is wrong and the fault of government. I find it absurd that they can move to this country but not speak a single word of English, and yet they expect everyone to speak their language and still get treated better than hard working people. But thats an issue of immigration not religious extremism.

[zubi]

The bloke in the flat next to me is a Muslim. He smokes, drinks and once when I was in his flat he showed me some porn mags. His response was to say God wants you to be happy. He has had mental problems in the past tthough. He is a decent enough feller though. never heard him shout or swear But there quite a few Muslims that put family as a priority. I've heard said the veil is a personal thing rather than religion related. It was not so long ago tht women in this country wore long dresses and half a dozen under garments. It is only since the end of WW2 that women have started to reveal more. Now you have young women wearing next to nothing drinking, swearing etc. If you were Muslim and father to a teenager daughter would you not want to protect her from this. Muslim children are brought up to respect their parents, something that is being lost.

As it said in the article I posted young people from all cultures are failing to integrate into society They may feel they are forgotten or choose to be different but the problems in society cannot be blamed solely upon one group.

As for shaking hands I am sure there are non-muslim people that have not spoken to relatives for years and parents that have disowned their children. It is one of the reasons there are a lot of -16 children living rough on the streets. How many under 16 Muslim children are living rough? If there is a problem in the family I expect they go to seek advice from one of their community leaders to resolve it.

Sure there will be loads of so called Muslims who drink and gamble and go against the laws of their religion, not all of them are religious. But I definitly agree with you about the various points you made. I personally find it off putting that girls are choosing to wear less and less... although I can't deny i'd take a nice long look at one but the thought always comes across, what is that was my daughter? or my sister? and guys were drooling over her in a very lustful way?

And yes Muslims should be respectful of their parents yes. Various passages in the holy text stating they should care for their parents as they reach old age, that the path to paradise lays under your mothers feet, and to respect the womb that bore you. But again all religions teach this, the bible teachs honour thy father and thy mother and says, children obey your father and mother, for that is pleasing to thy lord. etc. So religion isn't all that bad

[zubi]

I wonder how many Muslims were out rioting too

There may have been some, but I don't think they were very religious to do so plus the riot occured during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, most muslim men would have been at the mosques most nights. But I suppose there may have been the bad egg who wouldve joined the rioters instead.

[LilMissFox]

Bottom line,

Everyone should be free to believe and worship what they choose as long as it does not harm anyone else.

Sadly...most (if not all) religions seek to have power over people and therefore immediately cause harm.

That's cuz they believe violence will attract people to religion, it would however attract more Douchebags like themselves or then you'll get people forming groups on fb coming up with new versions of EDL and BNP cuz they're sad with their own little lives jus like the rioters, fact is they're uneducated I don't feel sorry for em, like most people were going on about how they trashed up cities cuz they've got no life opportunities?! Not sure why they're complaining education in England is free! There are people who get degrees from uni n what not who are having to work in fast food places ...everything these people do is for their own little hype

[zubi]

Yeah true but they're jus choosing to make up their own shit in order to kill. They're like trying to be like messiahs or summat, what they're doing is only making religion look bad, but **** em, there's Nowt you can do cuz they're ignorant people and seriously EDL?! English Defence League?! Sounds like we could use em for England against tough teams!

I agree with you people who commit acts of violence and terror need to be dealt with, but people who say that they only did it because they read they had to in a book... well come on now that's just silly. This needs to be tackled, but the EDL have gone about the extermination of extremism in such a shite way. They claim to be against Muslim extremists and not Muslims, but then the leader goes on national news saying that Islam is a religion of hate, violence and disrespects women. And their second in command Guramit Singh tells a crowd of people that Muslims should go burn in hell.

The fact is the EDL are doing more harm to the white communities of Britain, when they go on these marches they cause disruption mostly to the business owners, pedestrians, families who are usually your average White Englishman. Not to mention all the money and police time they waste.

[LilMissFox]

I agree with you people who commit acts of violence and terror need to be dealt with, but people who say that they only did it because they read they had to in a book... well come on now that's just silly. This needs to be tackled, but the EDL have gone about the extermination of extremism in such a shite way. They claim to be against Muslim extremists and not Muslims, but then the leader goes on national news saying that Islam is a religion of hate, violence and disrespects women. And their second in command Guramit Singh tells a crowd of people that Muslims should go burn in hell.

The fact is the EDL are doing more harm to the white communities of Britain, when they go on these marches they cause disruption mostly to the business owners, pedestrians, families who are usually your average White Englishman. Not to mention all the money and police time they waste.

Yeah exactly but they don't exactly care about all that cuz they jus want their own way and violence doesn't beat violence, why the **** else is there still a war going on, the EDL were apparently around the rioters supposedly trying to "calm" the matter, as if EDL would ever be doing good, none of these people are. Either these people go and educate themselves that's including Muslim extremists, EDL and the rioters or they leave England and find countries that suits them or jus create their own! Course we all know that'll never happen what with all the benefits ...that's why they'll moan and complain, do what they like but still stick around...

[ozleicester]

That's cuz they believe violence will attract people to religion, it would however attract more Douchebags like themselves or then you'll get people forming groups on fb coming up with new versions of EDL and BNP cuz they're sad with their own little lives jus like the rioters, fact is they're uneducated I don't feel sorry for em, like most people were going on about how they trashed up cities cuz they've got no life opportunities?! Not sure why they're complaining education in England is free! There are people who get degrees from uni n what not who are having to work in fast food places ...everything these people do is for their own little hype

Im not sure quite what you are saying, maybe its my saturday morning problem but you seem to contradict everything you say on the next line.

[zubi]

Gosh I really don't know how to prove it, sorry. This is from my own experience. Immigrants families where no one in the house hold has a job, yet they have a decent enough home which the government pays for... and to top it all off a Fooking "50 LCD Tele in their living room. These people are living better than I do

Although here may be some proof of it. Guardian Link

[zubi]

As for the rioters, in all fairness the only REAL riots was in Tottenham, which was probably more black people seeing as the apparent reason it started was someone got shot n they thought it was meant as a racial attack?! ...the copycat rioters look a lot like chavz... Asians, well most.. like to follow crowds, but saying Muslims were there, maybe some were trying to protect? I did hear there was a lot of these so called rioters trying to attack mosques got to a point where police warned to not let young boys out for prayers, if you're out on the loot what does destroying mosques have to do with it?! Why not destroy clubs n pubs?! (Not to say I'm perfect I have been, n drank, smoked, etc, but I could live without it all) ...tits!

Yes attacking Mosque, Churches and Gurdwaras are really going to show the government how the youth feel

Good on the Christians, Sikhs and Muslims who stood and protected their local communities and places of worship.

[zubi]

Bottom line,

Everyone should be free to believe and worship what they choose as long as it does not harm anyone else.

Sadly...most (if not all) religions seek to have power over people and therefore immediately cause harm.

Couldn't agree more with this

Religious leaders need to take more responsibility to educate the people, not force their power over them to make them do what they want them to do.

[LilMissFox]

Im not sure quite what you are saying, maybe its my saturday morning problem but you seem to contradict everything you say on the next line.

I don't see it?! But ah well not exactly what I intended to be doing on a Saturday afternoon xD

[LilMissFox]

Yes attacking Mosque, Churches and Gurdwaras are really going to show the government how the youth feel

Good on the Christians, Sikhs and Muslims who stood and protected their local communities and places of worship.

Yep, shown true commitment that's the kinda stuff we need!

[zubi]

Yeah exactly but they don't exactly care about all that cuz they jus want their own way and violence doesn't beat violence, why the **** else is there still a war going on, the EDL were apparently around the rioters supposedly trying to "calm" the matter, as if EDL would ever be doing good, none of these people are. Either these people go and educate themselves that's including Muslim extremists, EDL and the rioters or they leave England and find countries that suits them or jus create their own! Course we all know that'll never happen what with all the benefits ...that's why they'll moan and complain, do what they like but still stick around...

yeh I doubt that, this video proves it

[LilMissFox]

yeh I doubt that, this video proves it

the woman's accent was annoying,"twittaaar" aha sorry had to point that out

Well I guess there you go then the supposed do gooders weren't actually doing so good. Jus hope none of this happens again it was absolutely pointless n only meant more cut backs to pay for damages

[Rincewind]

Have you seen the requirements to move to this country. A lot of immigrants are doctors or professional people. There are as many if not more uneducated 'white' families that have no one working and claiming benefits etc. You cannot say one group of societ is worse than any other. If occurances like the riots are to be prevented from happening again people have to get away from the thinking that one section of a community is more to blame than another. For many it is an easy way out to pigeon hole rather than look at the greter picture.

[panky and our gang]

Yes i too look at some of our drunken young girls dressed like whores on a shop outing and think how sad our society has become , but it is still a FREE society where people make up their own minds to dress how they like irrespective of what others think . That is part of the burden of true freedom . As for the law in this country there is only one . Anyone attempting to set up laws in there own community only add to the alienation law abiding citizens of the UK feel towards them. Can you imagine going to a muslim country and settling then telling them that you don't agree with their laws so you are going to make your own laws for your selves ? You would be lucky to get to the airport in one piece . Apart from that thank you Zubi for your well balanced responses I have learned a lot from them .

[zubi]

Yes i too look at some of our drunken young girls dressed like whores on a shop outing and think how sad our society has become , but it is still a FREE society where people make up their own minds to dress how they like irrespective of what others think . That is part of the burden of true freedom . As for the law in this country there is only one . Anyone attempting to set up laws in there own community only add to the alienation law abiding citizens of the UK feel towards them. Can you imagine going to a muslim country and settling then telling them that you don't agree with their laws so you are going to make your own laws for your selves ? You would be lucky to get to the airport in one piece . Apart from that thank you Zubi for your well balanced responses I have learned a lot from them .

Again completly agree with you England is a free society, which is probably why so many people would like to come seek residence here in this great country of ours. The problem I have with the EDL is if this is a free society, why do they make such a big fuss about how Muslim women dress? Ok I can understand the Full veil for security reasons, but even just a simple headscarf?

Personally I don't think (or know) if Muslims are pressing for Shariah law to be implemented into government law, I don't think the government would ever allow that to happen . But I know they have Shariah law courts available so that any dispute between Muslims can be mattered in a manner which is accepted by their Religion. These are usually for cases such as financial loans, mortgaging, divorce, wills etc. But then again so do Jews and Hindus, I don't see the problem with that as long as it doesn't influence the law of government.

To be fair to countries like Saudi Arabia, they never claimed to be multi cultural. They have very strict laws and as an outsider you are expected to deal with them or get out basically. Theres nothing wrong with that, you'd expect the same to be implemented in the U.K. The problem is however, because England claims to be multi cultural, we can't be as direct.

[Rincewind]

II am sure a few here have been on holiday in Spain. Even in the tourist areas there are guidelines for how wome can dress when walking down the street. For instance the guides say if you should not wear a bikini. A lot of the Spanish women wear head scaves and long dresses. I am sure this is the same in many countries around the world. It seems that only the more developed countries go with the anything goes concept for modern life. But I suppose it goes with the territory of living in a world obsessed with money technology and self interest. I don't blame people for wanting to come to England to live and for some I'm sure it's a shock as to how liberal some people are and I can't blame them for wanting to hold onto their values.

[panky and our gang]

I agree night guard I think women should dress more appropriately and behave like women and not ladettes . The problem is how can you take away some ones freedom to dress how they want ? that is all about control and Hitler showed the world where that leads to. Dressing like a hooker only shames the person doing it and is not a threat to society , unlike preaching hatred in so called Holy places which leads to the murder of those who do not follow that particular religion . I will settle for the unnerving spectacle of a young women wearing next to nothing than having to look at dead innocent people blown to pieces by religious fundamentalists any day .

[Charl91]

I agree night guard I think women should dress more appropriately and behave like women and not ladettes . The problem is how can you take away some ones freedom to dress how they want ? that is all about control and Hitler show the world where that leads to. Dressing like a hooker only shames the person doing it and is not a threat to society , unlike preaching hatred in so called Holy places which leads to the murder of those who do not follow that particular religion . I will settle for the unnerving spectacle of a young women wearing next to nothing than having to look at dead innocent people blown to pieces by religious fundamentalists any day .

You seem to be obsessed with Muslims blowing up britain....seriously, how often does that happen? A couple of incidents, it isn't exactly a trend.....

[21st Century Fox]

I agree night guard I think women should dress more appropriately and behave like women and not ladettes . The problem is how can you take away some ones freedom to dress how they want ? that is all about control and Hitler show the world where that leads to. Dressing like a hooker only shames the person doing it and is not a threat to society , unlike preaching hatred in so called Holy places which leads to the murder of those who do not follow that particular religion . I will settle for the unnerving spectacle of a young women wearing next to nothing than having to look at dead innocent people blown to pieces by religious fundamentalists any day .

You seem to be under the impression that Muslims 'blow up buses' because they don't like our culture and the way we live. You probably need to read a bit deeper into Palestine, Israel, US support of Israel, our support of US foreign policy, seemingly unjustifiable invasions of oil rich Islamic countires etc etc etc. Poking hornet nests usually results in getting stunk.

[panky and our gang]

Incidents ? how dare you belittle cold blooded murder by calling it incidents .It's a shame you weren't on that bus or tube maybe you would be singing from a different sheet then . Bloody " incidents" I ask you . So My century fox are you inferring those people were justifiably murdered because of our foreign policy then ,I do hope not .

[21st Century Fox]

Incidents ? how dare you belittle cold blooded murder by calling it incidents .It's a shame you weren't on that bus or tube maybe you would be singing from a different sheet then . Bloody " incidents" I ask you . So My century fox are you inferring those people were justifiably murdered because of our foreign policy then ,I do hope not .

I don't see any inclination of a reference to anything justifiable. Also I don't see any reference to our foreign policy, I see a reference to our support of another nations foreign policy. You didn't seem to mention the previous comment by Shen about the IRA though (On the other thread).

[Charl91]

Incidents ? how dare you belittle cold blooded murder by calling it incidents .It's a shame you weren't on that bus or tube maybe you would be singing from a different sheet then . Bloody " incidents" I ask you . So My century fox are you inferring those people were justifiably murdered because of our foreign policy then ,I do hope not .

Here's a dictionary definiton, since you seem to be challenged in the brain department

in·ci·dent   /ˈɪnsɪdənt/ Show Spelled[in-si-duhnt] Show IPA

noun

1. an individual occurrence or event.

Here's a dictionary definiton, since you seem to be challenged in the brain department. In what way did I "belittle" any murder? All I was trying to say before you got all holier-than-thou is that I can only name one actual time in the UK when there was a Muslim extremist bombing, and maybe a couple more that were planned but not carried out. There could be more that I have forgot/don't know about, but I certainly would be aware if it was a regular occurance.

Yet you seem to be implying that it happens on a regular basis. Scaremongering even. You're tarring an entire religion with the same brush because of the acts of a few. The problem isn't to do with Religion; that's just the excuse. You can find justification for such atrocities in most religious books. The problem is that they were dicks. Yet there are dicks of all nationalities, all races and all religions. It's nothing to do with their specific religion. Yes, some muslim traditions may seem a little quirky to us, but their religious beliefs in themselves are not harmful. Just the very very few who try and twist them to their own ends.

However, your problem is that you are racist, and no logical argument will convince you otherwise; you're just going to keep ignorantly banging on about how they are "blowing up our country". Sadly, it seems the education system has failed you, and for that I pity you.