Lillehamring Posted 5 August 2010 Posted 5 August 2010 We have our own area, reserved for us, be under no illusion though, no club is going to allow a standing area to accomodate such fans as us, not in this country. A shame but there you go. Was saying to someone earlier today, if they ripped out the lower tier behind a goal and put terracing it would be mint!! Dont think that you will get what you want, the safety manager has guidelines etc from the fire service, police, councils etc - getting certain things passed will be a challenge but good luck to you in pushing for what you can! yes, but fans do stand in england - regardless of health and safety. and even if one doesn't stand all game it doesn't mean that you have to give up everything else bar the singing - anyway, i won't milk it, it just seemed that your atittude seemed to be one of taking what you can get and being happy with it... OK, Celtic and Malmo may well have Ultra groups but the one thing they have in common which sets them apart from us - they don't play in England and are therefore do not have to comply with our strict H&S laws regarding what can and can't be done in stadia. So I think our ovine friend has a point - one which the Fosse Boys will come up against sooner or later. but the stronger and more accepted english ultra groups become, the greater the chance that clubs will realise that when you have the numbers involved on the continent the more important it is to safely accommodate them, ie with a return to safe terracing. health and safety is a convenient bluff to provide clubs with the environments that suit them best right now - this movement WILL catch on in england, and clubs will realise when they need to embrace it rather than fight it.
Fosse Boy Posted 5 August 2010 Author Posted 5 August 2010 Suffice to say I agree with Valerenga on just about everything he's said.
1964FOX Posted 5 August 2010 Posted 5 August 2010 It would only take a change in ground regulations, there are no laws preventing safe standing areas. I believe it is possible to get what we want, it will take a long time but will be worth it. The new government is all for relaxing restrictive and unnecessary health and safety laws so now is the perfect time for the movenent to grow and exert pressure on the authorities that run our game.
Fosse Boy Posted 5 August 2010 Author Posted 5 August 2010 It would only take a change in ground regulations, there are no laws preventing safe standing areas. I believe it is possible to get what we want, it will take a long time but will be worth it. The new government is all for relaxing restrictive and unnecessary health and safety laws so now is the perfect time for the movenent to grow and exert pressure on the authorities that run our game. Exactly. Especially given the Lib Dems previous support for any such measures I would urge anyone interested to get involved in StandUpSitDown (see my sig).
Suffolk_fox Posted 5 August 2010 Posted 5 August 2010 yes, but fans do stand in england - regardless of health and safety. and even if one doesn't stand all game it doesn't mean that you have to give up everything else bar the singing - anyway, i won't milk it, it just seemed that your atittude seemed to be one of taking what you can get and being happy with it... but the stronger and more accepted english ultra groups become, the greater the chance that clubs will realise that when you have the numbers involved on the continent the more important it is to safely accommodate them, ie with a return to safe terracing. health and safety is a convenient bluff to provide clubs with the environments that suit them best right now - this movement WILL catch on in england, and clubs will realise when they need to embrace it rather than fight it. As long as The Taylor Report is held in such high esteem by the legal system, the FA, the HSE, the Premier Leauge and the Football League, we will have no standing in top flight football. Agreed that in the lower leagues, clubs are allowed to let their fans stand but this is due to economics more than anything. How many seats have been ripped out by clubs who are relegated to these leagues? I'm guessing none... and I'm also willing to bet that no pressure from Ultra groups will ever change clubs attitudes or the law for that matter. Tell me which club will have it's day in court to appeal against the laws regarding standing??? Don't get me wrong - I'd love to see terraces return to football, it would be fantastic for the atmosphere - but I doubt it will happen...
therams69 Posted 5 August 2010 Posted 5 August 2010 As long as The Taylor Report is held in such high esteem by the legal system, the FA, the HSE, the Premier Leauge and the Football League, we will have no standing in top flight football. Agreed that in the lower leagues, clubs are allowed to let their fans stand but this is due to economics more than anything. How many seats have been ripped out by clubs who are relegated to these leagues? I'm guessing none... and I'm also willing to bet that no pressure from Ultra groups will ever change clubs attitudes or the law for that matter. Tell me which club will have it's day in court to appeal against the laws regarding standing??? Don't get me wrong - I'd love to see terraces return to football, it would be fantastic for the atmosphere - but I doubt it will happen... Thinks its fair to say we all agree that safe standing should be introduced, they should take note from what happens in Germany.
Suffolk_fox Posted 5 August 2010 Posted 5 August 2010 Thinks its fair to say we all agree that safe standing should be introduced, they should take note from what happens in Germany. I think we should take note of many things from the Bundesliga - the way their clubs are run, the way the national team has more priority and support from the clubs etc. Theirs may not be the number one league in the world, but they have much better home grown talent (apart from 'stolen' Polish players) than we could ever hope for under the current system.
1964FOX Posted 5 August 2010 Posted 5 August 2010 As long as The Taylor Report is held in such high esteem by the legal system, the FA, the HSE, the Premier Leauge and the Football League, we will have no standing in top flight football. Agreed that in the lower leagues, clubs are allowed to let their fans stand but this is due to economics more than anything. How many seats have been ripped out by clubs who are relegated to these leagues? I'm guessing none... and I'm also willing to bet that no pressure from Ultra groups will ever change clubs attitudes or the law for that matter. Tell me which club will have it's day in court to appeal against the laws regarding standing??? Don't get me wrong - I'd love to see terraces return to football, it would be fantastic for the atmosphere - but I doubt it will happen... As far as Iam aware the Taylor report does not ban standing, it ensures that each fan has there own individual area in the stadium identified by their seating position, This ensures sections of the ground will never become overcrowed as the seats ensure a maximum number to be allowed into each section. The reccommendations of the report can easily be met by having a safe standing area that ensures the number is limited just like conventional seating does. you could argue that it's safer as the added barriers between each row make it more difficult to fall forwards onto the next row. The Taylor report is, like any other report, open to interpretation. If the Football Licensing Authority changed the rules the clubs would be able to function differently and create various areas in the ground without the fear of being fined.
Lillehamring Posted 6 August 2010 Posted 6 August 2010 Suffice to say I agree with Valerenga on just about everything he's said. cool. thanks. i think it hit me when i posted that stuff about the kids ultra section at 'enga, that to me is the way to attract families and the next generation of fans, and having and tolerating supporters who stand and sing has spilled over until you see the whole of a section on the half way line bouncing up and down. clubs in england will cotton on to this and realise that is how to make money.
Lillehamring Posted 6 August 2010 Posted 6 August 2010 As long as The Taylor Report is held in such high esteem by the legal system, the FA, the HSE, the Premier Leauge and the Football League, we will have no standing in top flight football. Agreed that in the lower leagues, clubs are allowed to let their fans stand but this is due to economics more than anything. How many seats have been ripped out by clubs who are relegated to these leagues? I'm guessing none... and I'm also willing to bet that no pressure from Ultra groups will ever change clubs attitudes or the law for that matter. Tell me which club will have it's day in court to appeal against the laws regarding standing??? Don't get me wrong - I'd love to see terraces return to football, it would be fantastic for the atmosphere - but I doubt it will happen... as i've said elsewhere the clubs only encourage (force) fans to sit because right now they believe that is the best policy to fill grounds, i predict that this will change - even in england - as new generations of fans, fans that don't just have their favourite english team, but their favourite spanish, german italian teams, and are growing up seeing them on tv and the internet, will want to copy, just like our own fosse boys. right now the clubs want this environment of safety and calmness because they feel that is their audience, but things will eventually shift as this breed of fan fades and the new 'active' fan returns.
Ozwin Posted 6 August 2010 Posted 6 August 2010 Fosse Boys need to hire Valerenga to attend all the meetings.
Lillehamring Posted 6 August 2010 Posted 6 August 2010 Fosse Boys need to hire Valerenga to attend all the meetings. ha! no, i'm just inspired and caught up in the optimism for once....
wc-remix Posted 6 August 2010 Posted 6 August 2010 ''I agree though that the Fosse Boys shouldn't try to be a carbon copy of say, Italian ultra groups. '' I agree, I expect the Fosse Boys to be the Leicester City Ultras taking ideas from other Ultra groups from other countries (and established groups in this one) and developing them to give us a clear identity. The younger members of the group have a lot of passion and ideas to make this work. They intention to work with the club already shows they have no desire to return to the bad old days, and indeed, some of them are not old enough to remember how bad it was. If they were I am sure they would be appauled by it and comdemn it like any real football fan would. The age of the football hooligan is over. The age of the passionate Ultra is just begining. NO AL CALCIO MODERNO. Top post Hi guys, Derby fan here, I posted on here a while ago when I was trying to get our big flag into the Walkers... Anyways, I am also the co-founder of the Derby "Barmy Army". We have this season managed to move into a seperate area of the ground which for us is a great move as the people that have moved all want to sing etc. We were setup back last season, for the same reasons that you guys have setup!! Just wanted to say good luck with the project and should you want to meet up anytime to discuss please feel free to PM me on here. , 'Barmy Army' ffs. Do you slow clap when players run up for a free-kick like at the cricket? Fvcking hell; what a joke.. 'Barmy Army' - Soccer AM's top boys Don't take advice from this group if you want any integrity at all. +1 No problem guys... What you have to remember is that with your ground you will not be able to create an Ultra group. Palace get away with it due to their ground being old and less rules on flags, standing etc where as PPS and the Walkers you cannot get away with it. If Palace moved to a new ground the Ultra scene for them would be dead!!! We realised this early on and decided not to try and create an Ultra scene, simply not possible with a new ground. We have worked around it to the best we can and created something similar to what you could call an Ultra group but within the strict guidelines our club impose. You may not get everyones support at first, we certainly didnt, however, things have changed and we have big support for our group now. Its all about change I guess, changing the dynamics of a matchday with singing can be an annoying thing to fans but if you get enough starting it off things will follow. A LOT of ultra groups don't utilise flags/banners etc, rather chants/style (including clothing I guess) to 'represent' themselves. Flags and banners are all good but if not, it's not THAT bad and it's not as if you can't start up or develop a scene because of it... Have our first home game of the season next week as well, new stadium, new regulations, should be interesting. Will post pics afterwards. Sickkkkkk
kylecoare Posted 6 August 2010 Posted 6 August 2010 Anything i say to disagree with what you said will just prove your point! so i am just going to say what i said in very early in the thread we are who we are i am not going to sugar coat what we do to attract the types of fans that we dont want i tell it like it is about this group sorry that i dont come across like a politician and am polictically correct or what ever i am just a passionate fan who wants to be surrounded by other passionate fans i am not expecting all 23,000 regular fans at the walkers to fall in love with the fosse boys my main aim is to attract the right fans to our group and to keep them happy and coming back this group will annoy people and to them i say sorry i will annoy people aswell and to them i dont say sorry i am so desperate for this to work that i am going for it full steam ahead and probbaly will come across arogant i have want i want in sight and i will keep going till the fosse boys achieve that another thing that i said earlier was that this group wasnt started to improve the enjoyment of a game for the 23,000 other fans in the stadium it is to improve mine and everyone who is involved enjoyment of the game we do respect that people want to support their team in differnet ways but i'd be lying if i said i wouldnt love it of the entire kop stood all game, bounced and sang just like i am sure some people in the kop would love it if everyone sat in silence the morale of the story is that everyone wont be happy it's simple we know that we want to sit in an empty corner of the ground to make sure we dont annoy to many people and all the 'constructive' critism is being listend to (maybe not by me) but by others i am not the leader of this group i have just taken control of talking to people about it on foxestalk probably because i sit at a computer for 8 hours a day at work i am probbaly the most stubborn member of the group and thats why i have come across as arrogant on here we have our own forum now, so hopefully i will be posting less and less on this thread so it will slip down and all the people against us can carry on getting serious over other matters your missing the bigger picture here , rather than alienate the other fans trey and drag them in, do your best so the rest of the fans take notice, dont do it for yourself do it for others!!! if your group can start to invigerate the atmosphere others will join in, rather than just focusing on your little crew try getting your songs etc noticerd by the kop etc, so in the end it isnt a small group, its just leicester city supporters
Bugg Posted 6 August 2010 Posted 6 August 2010 Dont forget, Fosse Boys on BBC Radio Leicester tomorrow morning. What time were/are they on?
h1210 Posted 6 August 2010 Posted 6 August 2010 We have our own area, reserved for us, be under no illusion though, no club is going to allow a standing area to accomodate such fans as us, not in this country. A shame but there you go. Was saying to someone earlier today, if they ripped out the lower tier behind a goal and put terracing it would be mint!! Dont think that you will get what you want, the safety manager has guidelines etc from the fire service, police, councils etc - getting certain things passed will be a challenge but good luck to you in pushing for what you can! They turn a blind eye to L Block standing at Leicester. I've never been to PP, is there nothing at all similar to L/K there? If not it really must be dead.
h1210 Posted 6 August 2010 Posted 6 August 2010 LINK 34 Mins for anyone who wants to hear the interview
Ozwin Posted 6 August 2010 Posted 6 August 2010 Haha they're loving it. Great bit of advertising too.
Houdini Logic Posted 6 August 2010 Posted 6 August 2010 Think you generally come across well in that interview. Only real point I would comment on is the anti-racist thing - think it doesn't need to be said and you may be putting ideas in peoples head rather than wiping them
Unabomber Posted 6 August 2010 Posted 6 August 2010 I had a dream last night that the Fosse Boys were on Dragons Den, Peter Jones seemed keen but Deborah Meaden got hit round the face with a flag pole and announced herself out much to the amusement of Duncan Bannatyne.
Mee Posted 6 August 2010 Posted 6 August 2010 I had a dream last night that the Fosse Boys were on Dragons Den, Peter Jones seemed keen but Deborah Meaden got hit round the face with a flag pole and announced herself out much to the amusement of Duncan Bannatyne. Dreaming of 4 men, one women and a flagpole. What are you smokin' sir? Anyway, well spoken on the radio lads. Looking forward to seeing more of it all
haraven Posted 6 August 2010 Posted 6 August 2010 LINK 34 Mins for anyone who wants to hear the interview Cheers mate, you came across as real supporters wanting to create an atmosphere without stepping on LCFC security officers. Keep up the good work Arab and friends.
1964FOX Posted 8 August 2010 Posted 8 August 2010 When Arab said one of the things we were about was singing even if we were three nil down I was hoping it would be a long time before he had to prove himself. But at Palace he and the other Fosse Boys were put to the test, they carried on singing straight after the third goal and continued to sing once the second half started. After about ten minutes into the second half suddenly everyone joined in and the atmosphere was great and has had numerous comments on other threads. Well done to the lads for keeping their promise and it proves how atmosphere can improve a game and help the players. My memory for yesterday was when Steve Howard came to us asking us to keep up the noise, real passion from a player, let's keep it going for the rest of the season and please let's have some at the Walkers as well.
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