davieG Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 But that's the problem the fact that you refer to him as a bad apple means you've been brainwashed and naive to believe that he's the root of the problem. LCFC have done very well to scapegoat Deej as some sort of anti Leicester player when in fact all he ever wanted to do was play football but was told he was not in NP's plans. LCFC/Nigel wanted him out when we dropped a division as he was a burden on our finances but that meant taking a pay cut which after all why should he when he thought he could fight for his place. Instead he wasn't given a chance and LCFC tried to bully him out and that's when the whole saga started. He was scapegoated so much so that other players were made to dislike him and talk behind his back by the management. The fact is it takes two to tango and I can tell you now Deej was treated like shit and was told to go rot in the reserves. He wasn't part of NP's plans from day one purely for financial reasons. They tried to bully him out of the club because of his wages. FACT I have no view on whether he's a 'bad apple' or not did you not read the rest where I said no one knows the reality of his situation. You cannot deny though that all the talk relating to him is of a 'bad apple' nature, quite a lot of which he's brought on himself, perhaps he should learn to keep his mouth shut. His association with a stabbing incident also reinforces this. I was therefore using that to demonstrate that there is far too much focus on him as against many of the good players at LCFC and this is reflected in real life. It annoys me that people offering very little in life and DJ is and has offered LCFC very little indeed for what he is costing attracts the most publicity.
foxoffderby Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 I also agree with Crouchback, in the fact he has never really been given a constant run in the team and injuries etc. However I have to be honest with myself and say I don't really rate him. I'm also sure Blackpool will sign him before deadline day. I think City should accept £1m for him instead of holding out for £1.5m which has been reported in the media. It just hasen't worked out here for DJ, the best thing for all is a fresh start.
Edmund Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 Even if Sousa does rate him I doubt he'll still stay. He has his heart set on a move to Blackpool especially as he bonded well with Holloway. It'll be for the best anyway.
Matt Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 Even if Sousa does rate him I doubt he'll still stay. He has his heart set on a move to Blackpool especially as he bonded well with Holloway. It'll be for the best anyway. I don't know the in's and out's so only speculating (Again). But didn't we accept an offer last year? Or were willing to let him go for free last year but his wage demands were too much and caused the stumbling block? If so he has to take a look at himself and question why he didn't leave then. And also if he leaves at the end of this season surely he'd have to take a wage cut because if you believe whats been touted about his high wages no-one will give him the same?
Edmund Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 I don't know the in's and out's so only speculating (Again). But didn't we accept an offer last year? Or were willing to let him go for free last year but his wage demands were too much and caused the stumbling block? If so he has to take a look at himself and question why he didn't leave then. And also if he leaves at the end of this season surely he'd have to take a wage cut because if you believe whats been touted about his high wages no-one will give him the same? The salary he would of recieved at Blackpool was a pittance in comparison to what he was on at Leicester. He didn't want to leave at the time so why should he take a wage cut? Lets say you worked at a top bank and were offered a top contract for three years. A year goes past and you're then told that you're not wanted and that you should terminate your contract and move to Mcdonalds. Would you do it? Of course not. You'd think that no one would pay his wages now but Blackpool can afford them and a certain Mr Keane likes to splash his clubs money about.
Matt Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 The salary he would of recieved at Blackpool was a pittance in comparison to what he was on at Leicester. He didn't want to leave at the time so why should he take a wage cut? Lets say you worked at a top bank and were offered a top contract for three years. A year goes past and you're then told that you're not wanted and that you should terminate your contract and move to Mcdonalds. Would you do it? Of course not. You'd think that no one would pay his wages now but Blackpool can afford them and a certain Mr Keane likes to splash his clubs money about. Yeah don't get me wrong i'm not slagging him off for not taking the pay cut and as you said if he didn't need to and had the money coming in for another couple of years then you'd probably stay and lets the money roll into the bank account. But you say 'He didn't want to leave at the time so why should he take a wage cut?' are you sure though? As Bert said the main reason he came to LCFC was because of Martin Allen, When Martin Allen was sacked he wasn't happy here, then followed relegation thus 'being bullied out' as you say and Pearson didn't like him so what do you take a happier life at another club playing football or money being unhappy in life at a club that wants you out and not playing football? Lets be honest even a pay cut would still be good money to you or I. Even on a normal person's wage in 'real' life if I was unhappy in a job at a company i'd certainly consider taking a pay cut (Within reason) to have a happier life. As I said I accept why take the pay cut but then you say 'He didn't want to leave at the time' After one thing or another he's just been jinxed here on no real fault of his own and can't believe he has ever been that happy here or really wanted to stay here. I'm not slagging him off i'd quite like to see him given a consistant run at Leicester, something he has never had which part of the reason he has never performed here.
andy_croydz Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 Isn't he still in danger of being banged up? Isn't he still on bail? To be honest I think we should give him a chance, if he has the managers support and starts scoring then the fans will soon be behind him. He is a confidence player, he needs to feel loved in order to perform. If he doesn't get the crowd support, manager support or team-mate support then he can go off the boil pretty bad. He proved for Blackpool last season that he can perform at this level. Anyway what is it with Blackpool and strikers? Dickov scored something like 7 goals in 11 games for them in 2007-2008, came to us the season after, was in a division lower and could hardly score. We loan DJ out to Blackpool in 08-09 and he scores a fair few, we loan him out again in 09-10 and he's on fire, we need to take tips off Blackpool when it comes to getting the most out of small nippy strikers.
andy_croydz Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 Yeah don't get me wrong i'm not slagging him off for not taking the pay cut and as you said if he didn't need to and had the money coming in for another couple of years then you'd probably stay and lets the money roll into the bank account. But you say 'He didn't want to leave at the time so why should he take a wage cut?' are you sure though? As Bert said the main reason he came to LCFC was because of Martin Allen, When Martin Allen was sacked he wasn't happy here, then followed relegation thus 'being bullied out' as you say and Pearson didn't like him so what do you take a happier life at another club playing football or money being unhappy in life at a club that wants you out and not playing football? Lets be honest even a pay cut would still be good money to you or I. Even on a normal person's wage in 'real' life if I was unhappy in a job at a company i'd certainly consider taking a pay cut (Within reason) to have a happier life. As I said I accept why take the pay cut but then you say 'He didn't want to leave at the time' After one thing or another he's just been jinxed here on no real fault of his own and can't believe he has ever been that happy here or really wanted to stay here. I'm not slagging him off i'd quite like to see him given a consistant run at Leicester, something he has never had which part of the reason he has never performed here. I've never understood why players 'demand' a big wage, it's selfish IMO. For instance... say DJ gets offered 10k a week at Blackpool and turns it down because it doesn't match his Leicester wage, it's completely stupid. It seems a lot of players nowadays do that. Needs to be more loyalty in football and less money grabbing.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 I've never understood why players 'demand' a big wage, it's selfish IMO. For instance... say DJ gets offered 10k a week at Blackpool and turns it down because it doesn't match his Leicester wage, it's completely stupid. It seems a lot of players nowadays do that. Needs to be more loyalty in football and less money grabbing. But he is looking after himself which is understandable. What bothers me is he has not shown any personal pride since he joined to justify the big wage he is on. It has been reported throughout his career that he has an attitude problem. I know for a fact that he was bombed out of Stevenage, not because of his talent but because of his attitude.
Leicfox Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 I don't know the in's and out's so only speculating (Again). But didn't we accept an offer last year? Or were willing to let him go for free last year but his wage demands were too much and caused the stumbling block? If so he has to take a look at himself and question why he didn't leave then. And also if he leaves at the end of this season surely he'd have to take a wage cut because if you believe whats been touted about his high wages no-one will give him the same? Yeah we did, im sure a fee of 250k was accepted but DJ couldn't agree personal terms. So if the move doesn't happen he's only got himself to blame.
andy_croydz Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 But he is looking after himself which is understandable. What bothers me is he has not shown any personal pride since he joined to justify the big wage he is on. It has been reported throughout his career that he has an attitude problem. I know for a fact that he was bombed out of Stevenage, not because of his talent but because of his attitude. Concerning I thought he was a good lad aswell, I could have sworn when I was reading the Metro newspaper 2-3 years ago there was a column in it about him and he said he was a Christian, certainly doesn't act like one if he has an attitude problem
Narborough_fox Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 You got to remember that a a footballers career only last 20 years (at most), they need to make money for the rest of there life and not just on a week-to-week basis. Yes his wages are outrageous but it's the only way he can fund himself for the rest f his life is by having that sort of wage.
andy_croydz Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 But he is looking after himself which is understandable. What bothers me is he has not shown any personal pride since he joined to justify the big wage he is on. It has been reported throughout his career that he has an attitude problem. I know for a fact that he was bombed out of Stevenage, not because of his talent but because of his attitude. I can see why he would want to get the biggest wage he possibly could but he could easily get by with 5-10 grand a week and be happy. If you got paid 5-10 grand a week for 8 years and spent wisely and saved up a lot you could easily not have to work again for a long time, possibly ever. Just think how much money a footballer could save up if he lived a 'normal' life, a 3-5 bedroomed house and had a good car but nothing flashy.
andy_croydz Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 You got to remember that a a footballers career only last 20 years (at most), they need to make money for the rest of there life and not just on a week-to-week basis. Yes his wages are outrageous but it's the only way he can fund himself for the rest f his life is by having that sort of wage. If he was sensible with his money he could earn 17k a week and only spend 500 a week. Most footballlers don't do that though, if they did then they would never have to work again when they retire.
davieG Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 You got to remember that a a footballers career only last 20 years (at most), they need to make money for the rest of there life and not just on a week-to-week basis. Yes his wages are outrageous but it's the only way he can fund himself for the rest f his life is by having that sort of wage. What's wrong with him working in another career after he's finished playing, millions of people are having to continually start new careers when their previous one(s) disappear? That said if we've given him a contract on stupid wages that's our fault not his, I don't blame him for holding out for it. I'd imagine the reason Blackpool don't want to pay over the odds is because they'll probably want to offer him lower wages but with a lump sum signing on fee to cover the difference that way they stick to their wage structure. If the fees too high then they wont be able to justify any signing on fee.
Webbo Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 If he was sensible with his money he could earn 17k a week and only spend 500 a week. Most footballlers don't do that though, if they did then they would never have to work again when they retire. Don't forget more than half of that money is paid in tax. Still a good wage but not the headline figure that people think.
andy_croydz Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 Don't forget more than half of that money is paid in tax. Still a good wage but not the headline figure that people think. True!
Narborough_fox Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 Francis Jeffers having a trial at Blackpool, looks like they may of lost interest in Deej.
andy_croydz Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 Well, this will be my last comment on the subject so i'll make it a worthwhile one... Let's hope DJ can spin defenders this season for us
andy_croydz Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 Francis Jeffers having a trial at Blackpool, looks like they may of lost interest in Deej. Francis Jeffers !!! He will certainly not cut it in the Prem, League 1 maybe but not the Prem
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 Amazing how fickle people can be. Perhaps the problem was not DJ, but N.P. If he is prepared to knuckle down and work, we could well have our top scorer for next season here. Come on D.J. You now have a second chance, so use it.
Fox You Forest Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 Francis Jeffers having a trial at Blackpool. Oh dear. :laugh:
Head Honcho Posted 18 July 2010 Posted 18 July 2010 Gee over 70 posts on a topic which no one wants another thread on
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