maddog Posted 28 September 2010 Posted 28 September 2010 Why can't we defend thats the ultimate question Last season we were always vulnerable at the back when Berner and Neilsen pushed forward, yet somehow got through games and made a lot of clean sheets, how the fook can it just all change with virtually the same players Obviously Weale has been injured and perhaps should be back by now, and theres been a few new players at the back, but Neilsen, Berner, Hobbs and Morrison are the same players as last season. We even had that dick McGivern and still defended better, it doesn't make sense. I think just the entire new ownership of the club, change of manager, training etc has clearly affected the defenders. They are performing very badly or we wouldn't concede so many. You would think we would have sufficent cover from midfield at the back when required playing a 4-5-1 formation aswell. It's totally weird and a total shambles at the moment, and the blame can't just be on Sousa. Anyway positives from todays game, we scored 3 away from home, Fryatt scored a double Waghorn scored. We showed some spirit to get a goal from 3-1 and 4-2. But 4 more goals conceded. Sousa isn't out on the pitch defending, it's just crazy. Like someone said we've had 2 great seasons, we were due a bad one, and it has been so far. Hopefully results in the next home games. Clearly it's not just us with the freak results though, Watford lost at home tonight, but beat Millwall 6-1. 6-4 in the Leeds game tonight. It seems a lot of the Leagues defence seems to be shocking. Please win make a clean sheet Saturday.
cc_star Posted 28 September 2010 Posted 28 September 2010 People who say you can't just blame Sousa make me laugh, they obviously know nothing about training a team, picking the players, preparing them for a match and sending them out on the pitch and coaching from the sidelines The manger is solely responsible for the team's shape when they don't have ball, our shape sucks The packed (generally 5-man) midfield don't provide cover, the full backs are ALWAYS out of position, and the centre-halfs are chasing shadows with a flapping keeper behind them. A good manager will be getting the things I mentioned in my first paragraph right, so the things in the second paragraph don't happen He is a lost cause, a win on Saturday will be papering over the cracks that I have mentioned above. Sousa is the second most clueless person I've seen, the most clueless are the people defending him. the one thing that really fookin annoys me about him is that he's going to get 3 years money, for 3 months appalling work.
Kitchandro Posted 28 September 2010 Posted 28 September 2010 People who say you can't just blame Sousa make me laugh, they obviously know nothing about training a team, picking the players, preparing them for a match and sending them out on the pitch and coaching from the sidelines The manger is solely responsible for the team's shape when they don't have ball, our shape sucks The packed (generally 5-man) midfield don't provide cover, the full backs are ALWAYS out of position, and the centre-halfs are chasing shadows with a flapping keeper behind them. A good manager will be getting the things I mentioned in my first paragraph right, so the things in the second paragraph don't happen He is a lost cause, a win on Saturday will be papering over the cracks that I have mentioned above. Sousa is the second most clueless person I've seen, the most clueless are the people defending him It's not even as complicated as that! I haven't seen tonight's goals but the others - god they've been so basic it's unbelievable. EVERY cross causes us problems. Men are just unmarked on the penalty spot. We are so weak in the tackle. They talk about horror shows, I'm scared absolutely shitless watching us defend. And it's not improved one iota. Why can't Sousa realise what's wrong? Does he even know there's anything wrong?
maddog Posted 28 September 2010 Posted 28 September 2010 People who say you can't just blame Sousa make me laugh, they obviously know nothing about training a team, picking the players, preparing them for a match and sending them out on the pitch and coaching from the sidelines The manger is solely responsible for the team's shape when they don't have ball, our shape sucks The packed (generally 5-man) midfield don't provide cover, the full backs are ALWAYS out of position, and the centre-halfs are chasing shadows with a flapping keeper behind them. A good manager will be getting the things I mentioned in my first paragraph right, so the things in the second paragraph don't happen He is a lost cause, a win on Saturday will be papering over the cracks that I have mentioned above. Sousa is the second most clueless person I've seen, the most clueless are the people defending him But we beat Cardiff and good wins in the Carling Cup Trying to be positive it's not working though. 5 points is better than 0 points.
bluefox9er Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Bloody hell move aside Jose Mourinho, Paulo Sousa really is the special one. kick out Sousa, kick out the Thais. MM too. what will happen to our club if we remove these utterly harmful elements from our club? Out of all of them, Sousa is the LEAST harmful in intent..he wants to be a good manager( just so happens he probably dosnt want us in this situation any more than we do, but fact..he is iept.). The other 2 parties want to screw us for every last penny for reasons only known to them. our club is well and truly held by the short and curlies by a bunch of people who have no interest in this club, this city or the supporters of this club. whose gonna save us??
bluefox9er Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 People who say you can't just blame Sousa make me laugh, they obviously know nothing about training a team, picking the players, preparing them for a match and sending them out on the pitch and coaching from the sidelines The manger is solely responsible for the team's shape when they don't have ball, our shape sucks The packed (generally 5-man) midfield don't provide cover, the full backs are ALWAYS out of position, and the centre-halfs are chasing shadows with a flapping keeper behind them. A good manager will be getting the things I mentioned in my first paragraph right, so the things in the second paragraph don't happen He is a lost cause, a win on Saturday will be papering over the cracks that I have mentioned above. Sousa is the second most clueless person I've seen, the most clueless are the people defending him. the one thing that really fookin annoys me about him is that he's going to get 3 years money, for 3 months appalling work. true , manager is responsible for all of those things, but let's face it..the quality of what he has to work with ( weghorn, king,hobbs and howard excepted) is drastically shittier than utter dog shit. our team has no quality whatsoever...
Kitchandro Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 true , manager is responsible for all of those things, but let's face it..the quality of what he has to work with ( weghorn, king,hobbs and howard excepted) is drastically shittier than utter dog shit. our team has no quality whatsoever... It's dog shit that finished 5th last year. I'd rather have that dog shit back than whatever fooking animal shit Paulo has turned them into.
okie fox Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 we know sousa can do defences from the way swansea played - we are creating a lot of chances, so the midfield must be doing something right, and tonight amd friday all our three main strikers finally broke their league ducks - i genuinely believe that if we can just solve the problem of our lightweight defence, then things will be back on track. If Sousa used the same system at Swansea, then they must have fantastic defenders. We don't so we are leaking goals like mad.
bigneville Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 What really concerned me tonight, was our defensive positioning and interaction. Numerous occasions we were caught out of position, with no one covering, or communicating. Without some serious work on our defensive structure as a team, we are going to carry on conceding goals at an alarming rate.
Wymsey Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Seems daft saying this but if the team didn't have such terrifying defensive weaknesses, then we would be straight up that table as we are scoring quite a few. Come on Sousa (if so) or the new manager, sort the defence out please. Its needs such a massive boost!!
colbo68 Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Seems daft saying this but if the team didn't have such terrifying defensive weaknesses, then we would be straight up that table as we are scoring quite a few. Come on Sousa (if so) or the new manager, sort the defence out please. Its needs such a massive boost!! Has any side in any of the four divisions conceded more goals so far than us? Its disgraceful to be honest - how much more time do we give him before we chuck him? at this rate the season is effectively over.......
Guest Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 So where can I pick up a set of these stylish LCFC duvet covers?
FrankieADZ Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 bloody hell, the red card seemed really harsh, Thanks for Posting that Davie...just hope u can post wins from now on
StanSP Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 bloody hell, the red card seemed really harsh, Thanks for Posting that Davie...just hope u can post wins from now on Red card seemed pretty justified to me. Yeah the Norwich player was being a **** about it. But Fryatt did kick out at him a couple of times.
FrankieADZ Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Red card seemed pretty justified to me. Yeah the Norwich player was being a **** about it. But Fryatt did kick out at him a couple of times. So your telling me then if a Norwaich player did the same they'd get the same treatment?.. ..Altho its letter of the law i know, i'd rather have seen it be 11-11 and fryatt yellowed, I'd have said that even if it was Forest tbh, as the game was prefectly place at the time. Tho going by it sounded like the ref was pretty useless anyway, Waggy getting kicked about like a rag doll.
Guest ttfn Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Extraordinarily harsh. It's hardly 'violent' conduct.
FrankieADZ Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Do we know the situation with Hobbs Gate?
Guest Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Also surprising that the Norwich player who started the incident received absolutely nothing whatsoever. I think I was actually more fuming at that last night
Ric Flair Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Ridiculous sending off. Opoosition players always try and keep hold of the ball when a team is trying to get back in to it and pushing and shoving goes on. That was a yellow card at best. A calm finish from Fryatt for his 2nd, good to see he's still got it. That's the last game he's played under Sousa though as Paul will be gone within 3 games. Sweet.
The Doctor Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Christ. Improved from Friday, perhaps could blame luck (gally hitting bar, king just missing), Inept reffing (according to stringer one of their players, Chris martin?, kicked lamey in the chest but didn't get booked while fryatt got sent off for a similar offence, anyone there who could confirm whether this happened or whether stringers talking utter bs). But can sous be responsible for the amount of bad luck and incompetent refs we've had? No. Will changing the manager change the standard of reffing and our luck? No. Stop whinging about how Sousa should go and look at the season so far, Burnley and Portsmouth aside we haven't played poorly and the table gives a false impression as to our performances this season (Had the match of Palace - 3 defensive mistakes, Outplayed McBoro - perfectly good goal disallowed, Had the match of reading - perfectly good goal disallowed, Outclassed Coventry - should have had a penalty and we were slightly poor at delivering the killer blow, Matched QPR - denied a blatant penalty at 1-0 with us controlling the game at that point)
bettso Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Absolute class finish from Fryatt for his second followed by clear frustration and a red card. To be honest though you could see by the reaction of those around him they new he was going to be sent off. Trying to usher him away while the ref was blowing his whistle, they new he'd kicked out. Such a shame as the way we were playing we deserved an equaliser that I think definitely would have come. What the hell is going on with the defence? Everytime a team attacks us it looks like we'll concede. We are crying out for some experience in the centre of the back 4. Without that, Morrison and Hobbs havent got the confidence at the minute to hold it together and yes it was a good strike, but Ikeme should have done better for Norwich's 4th.
marbelladave Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Jesus, what a game! Great if you like full on kamikazi style play, fooking awful if you want to see your team play any football. Let's get this straight, right now, we were dreadful and quite frankly lucky to only lose by the one goal. Everything was wrong last night, team selection, setup, tactics…..everything. Ok we scored early but that was a gift, Ruddy really should have saved it, for the next hour it was all Norwich, 3-1 flattered us, we barely had a sniff. After the hour they eased right off and actually let Fryatt and Gallagher play for about 15 minutes, Gallagher hit the woodwork, Fryatt scored twice and got sent off and Hoolahan got lucky, after which they did actually manage to shut up shop despite City's efforts going forward, like I said, we were lucky it wasn't worse! Positives? Really only one, individually we played with a greater degree of commitment, thats it.... Negatives? Where to start? Team selection and setup was strange, why change the keeper if you are sticking with Hobbs and Morrison at the center of the defence? With an inexperienced and somewhat shaken defence where was the defensive cover in midfield and what do Abe and/or Moreno need to do to get a start? Howard as the central striker in a 4-3-3 is a waste of time if Dyer and Waghorn are going to stay wide. If it is a proper 4-3-3 then the midfield should help to cover the full backs, didn't happen, so Waghorn and Dyer both had to fall back leaving Howard even more isolated. All our subs looked better than any of our starters, Gallagher is far more likely to make things happen than anyone but why, when we were so clearly struggling in midfield was he and Abe only given 20 minutes? Sousa also seems to be falling into the trap of picking attacking players in an attempt to be positive, yet asking them, Dyer and Waghorn specifically, to play defensive midfield roles. What the hell were Oakley, Wellens and King supposed to be doing? To be honest it was chaotic, shaky defence, midfield that couldn't/wouldn't defend and an attack that was completely toothless until the introduction of Fryatt. We got back into the game with some bullish play and a spark from Gallagher and Fryatt and although exiting for a time, was never likely to be enough. Frankly I really have no idea where to start putting things right and playing the 'Sousa way' I'm not even sure if it is possible. His wide open, attacking 4-3-3 is really not working, if we had a solid defence, if were able to get our new midfield players into the side and performing well and if we got our attacking players into the right positions we just might stand a chance but I'm not exactly holding my breath!
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Who was the Norwich player who kicked the ball in to the crowd after our second goal and had he already been booked? Surely that is a yellow card right there for time wasting.
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