Match ratings WBA

[Guest]

Well I didn't go to the match but I presume the very low ratings are players being compared to Prem top 6.

Seems to be a lot of overreaction from fans. Football isn't like instant meals I'm afraid.

Stop your whining and support like supporters are supposed to. Be happy that we have a team in the championship and give encouragement.

[Finnegan]

Hi everybody,

I'm a Japan fan, I was wondering, does Abe really play on the right side ? Because if he does, I think you won't wanna see him around a lot more. That's like asking Makelele to be a right winger. He never played this way and does not have the qualities required. Anyway, I still hope he will perform well for you, good luck !

We've had a real lack of options in the squad of late, players like N'Guessan who would normally offer us cover on the wing have been injured and our best winger, Lloyd Dyer, is struggling with a few niggles. So Abe got put there just as an emergency, really.

Our manager knows he's a defensive midfielder and that's where he played today.

i agree but fm says he plays anywhere across so the midfeild so sven will trust that

Facepalm.

Abe 4.5 (Okay in an inconsequential way during the spells he was involved. One threatening shot. Passed the ball crisply and competently during those times but also went missing or onto the periphery of the action. Heading was inaccurate and looked overwhelmed, like others, once King went off).

King 6.5 (Not outstanding but still our most competent player. How we suffered when he went off))

Oh, Thracian.

[Mack]

Logan -1 That's for the goal he cost us. He is never going to make the grade and needs to move on to League 2 or below and forge a career. We need a new back up keeper ASAP

Neilson 2 This lad is not up to Championship standard. He's not the first to come down from jockoland and be out of his depth and he wont be the last.

Morrison 3 Another one who has had many chances and is just not up to it. Will move well down the packing order and Sven signs new players.

Vitor 5 Niether good or bad. Average.

Berner 0 Roasted by Barnes more times than I care to remember. Maybe feeling the heat of the new signings and too desperate to impress. Whatever the reason he was dreadful.

Abe 2 That's for the getting up and back for 90 minutes. Gave the ball away consistently, stopped playing when handed the ball on a plate, performed a foul throw fit for an under 5's game. A passenger for most of the game.

King 5 Tried to get forward but was neutralized by the classy Steve Reid for them. Not his usual thrusting self and looked a little off colour.

Moussa 5 Looked lost when play in a central roll. I think we can say this lad is no central midfielder. Made some handy runs when put out wide but never really contributed anything decisive.

Dyer 7 Obviously not fully fit yet but was absolute quality. Just hope his premature removal from the game does not mean he is injured again.

Howard 6 He is getting old and slow, but is full of passion and drive and gave of his best.

Gallagher 4 He is tricky and looks useful and gets himself some great positions, but then either makes an awful shot or plays a poor pass all too often. Not sure what position is best for him or whether he will ever end up being a player worthy of a start.

Fryatt N/A Did'nt play long enough to make a judgement and by the time he came on we were chasing a lost cause.

Wellens 7 This lad is football gold dust. A true engine room of a player and I really dont get why some people dont get him. The usual highly charged performance.

Lamey 0 LAME.. That will do!

For some odd reason Sven thought a game against a Premiership team on fire was a good time to send out the stiffs for a butchers. He got what he deserved, a hiding. What did he expect?

[Filthy Fox]

Does anyone else think that Sven was resting our best players for the weekend? There's no way he would have put Conrad Logan in goal otherwise!

Also when is Vassell gunna start playing?

[Filthy Fox]

Does anyone else think that Sven was resting our best players for the weekend? There's no way he would have put Conrad Logan in goal otherwise!

Also when is Vassell gunna start playing?

[Karljohn]

I thought Gally and Howard ran their guts out, Gally was wasteful at times but improvement on last couple of games.

Logan is dogshit, Bruno looked very poor and Abe.....Hmmm.

Nevertheless in the game at 1-1 until Logan dropped a bollock.

[Adster]

Logan -1 That's for the goal he cost us. He is never going to make the grade and needs to move on to League 2 or below and forge a career. We need a new back up keeper ASAP

Neilson 2 This lad is not up to Championship standard. He's not the first to come down from jockoland and be out of his depth and he wont be the last.

Morrison 3 Another one who has had many chances and is just not up to it. Will move well down the packing order and Sven signs new players.

Vitor 5 Niether good or bad. Average.

Berner 0 Roasted by Barnes more times than I care to remember. Maybe feeling the heat of the new signings and too desperate to impress. Whatever the reason he was dreadful.

Abe 2 That's for the getting up and back for 90 minutes. Gave the ball away consistently, stopped playing when handed the ball on a plate, performed a foul throw fit for an under 5's game. A passenger for most of the game.

King 5 Tried to get forward but was neutralized by the classy Steve Reid for them. Not his usual thrusting self and looked a little off colour.

Moussa 5 Looked lost when play in a central roll. I think we can say this lad is no central midfielder. Made some handy runs when put out wide but never really contributed anything decisive.

Dyer 7 Obviously not fully fit yet but was absolute quality. Just hope his premature removal from the game does not mean he is injured again.

Howard 6 He is getting old and slow, but is full of passion and drive and gave of his best.

Gallagher 4 He is tricky and looks useful and gets himself some great positions, but then either makes an awful shot or plays a poor pass all too often. Not sure what position is best for him or whether he will ever end up being a player worthy of a start.

Fryatt N/A Did'nt play long enough to make a judgement and by the time he came on we were chasing a lost cause.

Wellens 7 This lad is football gold dust. A true engine room of a player and I really dont get why some people dont get him. The usual highly charged performance.

Lamey 0 LAME.. That will do!

For some odd reason Sven thought a game against a Premiership team on fire was a good time to send out the stiffs for a butchers. He got what he deserved, a hiding. What did he expect?

You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?

Logan shouldnt be rated 1, he at least made some decent saves,

Dyer was not absolutely quality, he wasnt even involved half the time.

Abe might of been abit slow, he tackled the ball well, and he didnt 'constantly' give the ball away.

Get your facts right.

[teblin]

What the hell. For 62 minutes we played quite well and deserved to be on level terms with a team who are currently 6th in the premier league. Don't get all the low scores the issues occurred after a howler and Lamey came on.

Logan - 4 Not seen the guy claim a cross this season.

Neilson -6 Was steady the left winger didn't get much joy

Morrison - 5 Looked heavy legged

Vitor - 7 First time I have seen him as i didn't see the pompey game and was pretty impressed

Berner -5 Started to see why sven got a left back on loan, looked so slow

Abe - 6 Keeps it simple, looked ok.

King - 6 Started well but faded

Moussa - 6 Looked lively but also faded

Dyer - 5 Didn't seem himself today.

Howard - 6.5 Worked hard did his job

Gallagher - 5 was poor first half better 2nd.

Fryatt 5 Didn't look bothered.

Wellens 7 Different class when he came on.

Lamey 3 Poor

[artursteppe]

Sometimes, I despair. I tell people how knowledgeable Leicester fans are. What a load of SHIT. They are as dim as any other fans, including Cov, Forest, and sheep shaggers.

I actually go to the matches. Let me enlighten some of you. Yuki is improving every game as he gets used to not only English football, but football in the Championship. There is no doubt he is real quality. Actually won tackles during the game, with timing, not physical abuse. NB you should all be informed that tackles are rarely won by any of our midfield players, in fact by any midfield players in any team. Oakley, whom many of you dislike, has won a few this season - Wellens and King rarely do. Even our great 'ball winner' Neil Lennon won possession more through reading the game and interceptions than through tackles.

Yuki headed clearances from his own box and was again in a quiet way end to end throughout the match. He was directing our defence and midfield players, and picking up any spare Albion players throughout the game. His movement, not only in going forward but also when the opposition have possession is absolute quality.

Up until Logan's disastrous error for their second goal, we were the better team - we were in control and one or two of their players were getting a bit 'twitchy' and nervous. That wasn't all down to Yuki, although him more than anyone was running the show.

We looked comfortable, then everything went to rat shit!

Now for other performances last night:- Vitor is young, but a huge prospect. His gentle nudges in the backs of attackers ( enough to put them off with high ball challenges but subtle enough to not be penalised ) are brilliant. He is good on the ball and has a football brain. He was missing a couple of times in the area and needs to learn how to pick up opposition forwards in the box, but he is definitely one for the future for some team or other.

Moussa had a great first half but did little in the second. Gallagher, who is a poncy show pony had one of his rare 'better' performances. Wellens who for me is similar to Gallagher, inconsistent, too showy, with nowhere near enough 'real business' in matches, was near brilliant when he came on. Real business and commitment. ( maybe he realises that Yuki Abe will now probably be a regular starter and there is real competition for midfield places).

Lamey was at fault for two goals ( I never want to see him again - he doesn't want to play for us ), although Howard could have done a bit better for their headed goal. Logan was at fault for their second. They won because a couple of our players were in benevolent mood and gifted them three goals. Yes, that simple.

A lot will change when we get another new striker. We seem to be no good without Howard, but Howard is no more than an average striker anyway. Have him on the bench, for impact, but the sooner we get Ishmael Miller, or someone similar, the better. Then our season will start, and we will be winning matches with the same players many of you now berate!

[The Doctor]

Does anyone else think that Sven was resting our best players for the weekend? There's no way he would have put Conrad Logan in goal otherwise!

Also when is Vassell gunna start playing?

they said roughly two weeks for fitness and that was around about the time of the hull game, i'd think we might see him involved on saturday but i wouldn't think he'll play from the off till barnsley or maybe sheffield Utd in a couple o'weeks

[Dr The Singh]

Logan - 4 He will be our third choice goal keeper, not good enough for first chioce and does not provide enough competition for Weale

Neilson - 6.5 Lack of pace was shown and exposed, but did do well in getting forward

Morrison - 6.5 Looked as though he needed guidance

Vitor - 7 Overall did well

Berner - 6 Lack of pace was exposed

Abe - 6.5 Keeps it simple, looked ok.

King - 6.5 Started well but faded

Moussa - 7 Overall impressed

Dyer - 5.5 lacked match practice

Howard - 6.5 Worked hard did his job

Gallagher - 6.5 Good link up play but with only Howard upfront, lacked options

Fryatt 5 Couldn't make an impact.

Wellens 6.5 Added energy to the team

Lamey 3 Lacks confidence

Moussa was my man of the match

[Munzie]

Some of the ratings on here are ridiculous. We played against a Premiership team who are currently in very good form.

Logan - 4 Redeemed himself after that horrendous error with a couple of good saves. That said, he is way too inconsistent to figure in Leicester's plans. We need a quality keeper ASAP as Weale and Ikeme also don't inspire confidence or leadership at the back. After many seasons warming the bench our out on loan deals, sorry Conrad, time to move on. A competent League 1 keeper at best.

Neilson - 6 Our only support when going forward but continues to lack pace. He's trying hard this season but I doubt he'll make the grade.

Morrison - 5 Still very much learning his trade and needs experienced heads around him. Needs to be shipped out on a loan deal.

Vitor - 7 Good solid display last night. Our best defender by far. Would like to see him partner Hobbs or Davies in the future.

Berner - 5 Completely exposed all match. I lost count the number of times Barnes left him for dead. Not a good night for Bruno who is beginning to look past it.

Abe - 6 Good to see him get a full 90 mins and play in the centre ('ish!). Needs more playing time as he occasionally looked lost and out of sorts with our style of play. I did enjoy the new Wayne Brown type chant "Abe, he'll eat your fcuking dog!"

King - 6 Continues to offer a great deal going forwards but wasn't up to his usual standards last night.

Moussa - 6 Much prefer him to N'Guessan. Looked a threat on occasions but still lacked the final delivery.

Dyer - 6 Started well and then drifted out of the game. Let's hope this isn't the start of a pattern on recent seasons. Queue debates on 'Dyer can't play when it's cold...

Gallagher - 5 Seemed to operate a free role for large parts of the game that altered our shape and limited our options. Other than his cross for Shorey to bury into his own net, most other chances went over the bar. Squandered too many set pieces.

Howard - 6 A complete workhorse last night in respect of covering the pitch, but remains ineffective. We can't operate with a lone striker for the majority of the game if he lacks pace and doesn't possess an ability to put away the majority of chances. With our lack of attacking options, he will continue to be our favoured play-maker. With new 'pacier' blood imminent, a change of tactics could see Howards appearances limited.

Subs

Fryatt - 5 Too little, too late. Can't wait for new blood to arrive

Wellens - 6 Helped calm down Albions attacks, although King was sacrificed on his behalf which didn't help.

Lamey 3 - Effectively helped demonstrate that we desperately need a right-back.

Tactics 5 - Our defence is shocking. Not just in last nights game, but for the best part of this season. WBA had limited chances in attack, but every time they advanced, they went straight though us. For large parts of the game we operated with 5 in midfield. Despite this, we lacked width going forwards! How can this be? Gallagher needs to operate as a striker or told to stay wide. If we play Howard upfront, he needs a strike partner.

Roll on the January sales. We need a new keeper, right-back, left-back, versatile winger and two strikers.

[Mack]

You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?

Logan shouldnt be rated 1, he at least made some decent saves,

Dyer was not absolutely quality, he wasnt even involved half the time.

Abe might of been abit slow, he tackled the ball well, and he didnt 'constantly' give the ball away.

Get your facts right.

I'm quite happy with my facts thanks I was there, were you? And I did'nt even go for a pie and a piss!

I've been watching live stadium football since I was 4 years old, sadly that's now 34 years ago and I stand by my opinions.

Facts are when Sven gets move of his players in the likes of Abe, Logan, LAMEy, Morrison, Moussa, Gallagher, Nielsen etc wont even be warming the bench seats.

We are in shit, Sven has a huge job on to turn all the damage Sousa did around, and he does'nt need numpties like Logan and LAMEy making things twice as hard for him.

As for Abe, are the rules of football different in Japan?

I really dont see what some of you are seeing, what I am seeing is a player who looks lost, and we dont have the time to humour him in our first team while he learns.

[Simmo86]

I'm quite happy with my facts thanks I was there, were you? And I did'nt even go for a pie and a piss!

I've been watching live stadium football since I was 4 years old, sadly that's now 34 years ago and I stand by my opinions.

Facts are when Sven gets move of his players in the likes of Abe, Logan, LAMEy, Morrison, Moussa, Gallagher, Nielsen etc wont even be warming the bench seats.

We are in shit, Sven has a huge job on to turn all the damage Sousa did around, and he does'nt need numpties like Logan and LAMEy making things twice as hard for him.

As for Abe, are the rules of football different in Japan?

I really dont see what some of you are seeing, what I am seeing is a player who looks lost, and we dont have the time to humour him in our first team while he learns.

IMO, Abe didn't look like a player who was playing his first 90 mins last night. Slotted in perfectly and did what was required. By no means perfect but decent!

Wouldn't think the bloke might need more than 6 weeks to settle into a whole new lifestyle!

[Drift]

It must be one hell of a change for him. New country, different culture, different food, can't understand what anyone says around you. Away from most (all?) of your family. That's gotta take some getting used to. At the end of day he accepted the deal, so he's prepared to deal with those changes, but it must take a while to get to grips with.

[Wymsey]

Fryatt was uninterested, Dyer was inconsistant and Moussa is improving quite a lot IMO.

[Corky]

Logan- 4 (Made some good saves, but that error was awful)

Neilson- 6 (Worked hard, got forward, shame he had to go off)

Morrison- 6 (Looked better than previous games)

Vitor- 7 (Coped well with Bednar in the main)

Berner- 6 (Tough assignment against Barnes)

Dyer- 5 (Struggled to make an impact)

King- 6 (Always probing)

Abe- 6 (Much better in the centre)

Moussa- 7 (Very direct and willing to take people on, good tackler as well)

Gallagher- 6 (Better than before, but still not quite right)

Howard- 6 (Held the ball up well but with little support wasn't too effective)

[JoeS]

I can't believe any of this, when we were 1-1 , before the howler, I honestly thought we had a chance of nicking it, we played fairly well until that , then fell apart as we tried to climb a mountain by all out attack .

We could've played better but I really don't agree with the abundances of 3 out of 10 ratings

[smudgerfox]

I can't believe any of this, when we were 1-1 , before the howler, I honestly thought we had a chance of nicking it, we played fairly well until that , then fell apart as we tried to climb a mountain by all out attack .

We could've played better but I really don't agree with the abundances of 3 out of 10 ratings

Oh really, come on! They had their reserve team out and were in second gear for most of the game. If they'd wanted six they could have got six - they were just content to come and get into the next round with the minimum of effort. Most of their team barely broke sweat. Milan's endless tinkering has brought us a squad created by three very different managers whose players will never ever make a coherent team. NFP signed solid journeymen with a good attitude, Sousa signed anyone who could do 1,000 keepy-uppies in a lunch hour and Sven seems to specialise in re-creating the Manchester City squad circa 2008. So guess what? We're starting again; kicking out as useless, players good enough to get us into the play-offs last season (look at the decline in Morrison) and before we know it another pointless season will be over.

There's barely a pretence of creating a rationally built and cohesive squad - if the rumours are true we will soon have more strikers than the Royal Mail, while labouring through games without a dominant keeper and with a half-arsed defence.

So the ratings

Logan 1 - never mind the howler - what about the corner for the third? Stayed on his line yet got nowhere near a header. That's it Conrad you should never play again. His mark is for the save which led to the corner and a couple of others

Neilson 6 - thught he played quite well in a harmless non-result affecting way

Vitor 7 - won lots of challenges he had no right to win, with a happy knack of retaining possession such as keeping the ball in while nicking it off an opponent near the touchline, where most defenders would settle for conceding a throw in - easily the high spot of the evening

Morrison 4 - what has happened to this once solid, likeably determined, economic defender? I can't say his performance was riddled with goal-threatening mistakes but that was mostly because he left practically everything to his Benfica colleague

Berner 3 - too slow to cope with Barnes though unbelievably exposed by Gallagher's bone idle refusal to chase back and help out

Dyer 6 - involved in some of our best moments but as so often when you need a classic and decisive finish Lloyd dithers and overdoes it

Abe 6 - not a lost cause but the throw in and the header referred to elsewhere, show a player who has been playing at a standard way below the Championship for all his World Cup and international appearances

King 5 - needs to play in a settled team in a settled position (dream on Andy)

Moussa 5 - shows a great deal of promise but is very green. As with Dyer you can't help admire his pacy dribbling skills but end product is all too rare. I'd be happier with him as an impact sub for now.

Gallagher 2 - Oh my God! What can you say? has there ever been a Leicester player who achieves so little over 90 minutes? Yes, twice a season he's going to score a couple of amazing 40 yarders - the rest of the time it's Row Z or just past the post. Quick feet but slow-brained, PG never misses an opportunity for a Hollywood pass, flick, dribble or shot while teammates wait expectantly in much much better positions. Hard won possession handed back to the opposition at the flicker of his dainty feet. Back to goal, defenders brush him off the ball with the power of a falling eyelash. People will remember a couple of intelligent crosses which flashed across the box (including the one which brought our goal), but would be better to be remember the host of mis-directed, over ambitious passes, the lack of support he offered Berner and the endless fruitless free kicks and corners for which he was responsible.

Howard 6 - Did all he could but that isn't saying much. What is Howard doing playing professional, second tier English football in the age of Lionel Messi? It's like watching one of those BBC2 documentaries about a tribe in Papua New Guinea who have lived for years in complete ignorance of electricity, television and the motor car. Yes he uses his body strength to hold off opponents while he controls the ball and turns into others. But can we affford to deploy as lone striker someone who scores so rarely? Whose heading ability (at goal) is so poor? Who can barely run? Who gees himself up by taking ugly and career-threatening swipes at the opposition then protests do visibly at the officials having the temerity to book him?

Remember the handful of times we closed down their defenders and actually pressured them into mistakes? It could have been like that all night with a fit striker who isn't a modern day embarrassment

Wellens 5 - a slightly more solid version of Gallagher. Less wasteful in possession but ultimately most of his forays come to nothing

Fryatt 2 - seems unable to impose himself on a game of football unless the entire team is set up to meet his needs. Apart from one shot on target you would not have had any idea he was on the pitch

Lamey 0 - remember when souness got hoaxed by an African who'd never played football but pretended to be related to George Weah. I can only assume Sousa fell for the same stunt. His "clearance" to set up Cox for the fourth goal would have him drummed out of my stepson's U12 team

[Adster]

I'm quite happy with my facts thanks I was there, were you? And I did'nt even go for a pie and a piss!

I've been watching live stadium football since I was 4 years old, sadly that's now 34 years ago and I stand by my opinions.

Facts are when Sven gets move of his players in the likes of Abe, Logan, LAMEy, Morrison, Moussa, Gallagher, Nielsen etc wont even be warming the bench seats.

We are in shit, Sven has a huge job on to turn all the damage Sousa did around, and he does'nt need numpties like Logan and LAMEy making things twice as hard for him.

As for Abe, are the rules of football different in Japan?

I really dont see what some of you are seeing, what I am seeing is a player who looks lost, and we dont have the time to humour him in our first team while he learns.

yes i was there, i go every game.

well in that case you have no idea how to rate players, if logan was rated '1' he would of not made a single save all game and they'd of scored every shot that had on target (which was 10)

i agree sven has a lot of work to do, he'll sort it, it doesnt sort itself in a few weeks, things take time.

as far as i'm aware the rules are different in japan, you'll have to ask a knowitall on the forum.

[SOCCERROO FOX]

Logan 5 - The major blunder aside he made some half decent saves

Neilsen 4 - Too slow got turned inside out too many times

Berner 4 - Similar to Neilsen looks like he has lost confidence, this was also evident with a few indesive moments in the leeds and hull game

Vitor 7 - Solid nite lost his man in the lead up to the first goal tho and tired towards the end.

Morrison 6 - Looked a little lost at times but no major errors.

Abe 6 - Needs to back his ability and take a risk or two

Dyer - 7 our only player in the first 30 minutes that wanted to have a go at there defence did tire but worked hard early

Moussa - 5 like Abe needs to take some risks and use his major asset, pace

Gallagher 6 - Did well to win the ball and pick out the easy balls but his work in the final 3rd wasn't there.

King 6 - another quiet game i don't think us playing with one striker and King effectively the 2nd forward suits him.

Howard 6 - Worked hard had little service tho

Subs

Fryatt - 5 couldn't get in to the game

Lamey - 5 unfair wasn't on park long enough but hope he doesn't feature in a city shirt much longer

Wellens 6 - came on late and try to control the midfeild and did well but didn't have the places around him

All in all we were in the game for 60 minutes then Logans howler and we were done