Fryatt told to be patient....

[Onions]

Howard - 20 games - 13/7 - 5 goals - Shots on target = 60% - Shots per goal = 10.2

Waghorn - 13 games - 11/2 - 1/2 goal - Shot on Target = 47% - Shots per Goal = 38/19

Fryatt - 12 games - 6/6 - 4 goals - Shots on target = 58% = Shots per goal = 6

Vassell - 2 Games - 3/0 - 0 goals - (no stats yet) - Not scored yet

Obviously it depends if you give Waggy that Norwich goal, or its an own goal, but either way, bu most the facts point to Fryatt being better than our other strikers.

I like Waghorn, but how does he start ahead of Matty? because we blew 2/3m on him?

[Kitchandro]

And now you lash out with 'fooking joke of a statement'

Please stop being so personal.

My point was that we don't have any goal scores at the moment, we need to bring 2 in.

Unfortunately on this board there are many that would have Howard, fryatt and Waghorn plating every week as they love them.

We wouldn't score many goals though.

How many seasons have you been watching Leicester for, if you don't mind my asking?

I have been watching Leicester since 1999. Had a season ticket since the League 1 season.

When you say we are 16th in the Championship because of Fryatt, when he didn't even play that much under Fryatt, then that must be a joke.

The people being personal are those who have decided they don't like Fryatt, and let that view get in the way of all facts.

I disagree that we need more strikers. The formation we are playing is working. We have Vassell playing on the right as it is.

Howard is doing a great job up front. That's why he should be in the team. He is important for the way we are playing.

Fryatt and Waghorn score goals in this division, they are assets as we saw last season. They are good options for the bench at the moment and when they both hit form could easily be starting and scoring in this league. Premiership is another matter, we are noth there yet. If we just replace them now they will never find form though.

I don't know how you could see Saturday's game and still be desperate to bring in a load of players. Either you didn't see the game or you are very negative and getting carried away with the amount of money that we have.

I say the squad is fine the way it is for now. As for January, ask me then, not now.

[hackneyfox]

'When you say we are 16th in the Championship because of Fryatt, when he didn't even play that much under Fryatt, then that must be a joke.'

Err I didn't say that.

Try reading Thracians post about just how little Fryatt adds to the team.

He's almost certainly finished at this club unless his attitude changes.

[Kitchandro]

Forget League 1. We shouldn't have ever slipped to that level, we know Fryatt scores goals at that level, lots of people on the sort of money we could pay would score goals at that level and getting up again was more a relief than an achievement for a club of our standing.

But even then, and with Fryatt playing regularly, our team looked awful for far too much of the time, parrticularly second half of the season. And that despite our comparatively massive budget advantage over other clubs.

Last season Fryatt scored 11 league goals and, once again, the team played some awful football and ended up with just 61 league goals, well short of what was necessary.

The point as I see it is that we just don't flow as a team when Fryatt plays and the movement soon disappears because it's a waste of time players making runs - they so rarely get the ball. Even when at an acute angle to goal Fryatt will shoot himself instead of passing to a better placed colleague whereas people like King and Gallagher have demonstrated their selflessness time and again.

There is far more movement in the team than there used to be and there are signs now too that there is far more goals potential all round as well. In fact I'd be amazed if King doesn't more than match Fryatt's 11 goals but he does a stack of other jobs too and so does Gallagher when, as now, he's fit and fully involved.

That leaves Howard and the problem there is that Howard also does other things in relation to the team that Fryatt doesn't and those things often have good consequences in all sorts of situations. The key statistic for me is that Fryatt made only six goals last season as our centre-forward and the man you'd expect to provide the last pass on far more occasions than anyone else.

Already I reckon two or three players will beat Fryatt's 2009/2010 tally of six league assists this season. And all those players- spend much of their time away from the attacking penalty box doing other things as well, particularly defensively. I'm not saying Fryatt never does his share of harrying people. But even when he does he invariably puts his head down and goes his own way. No-one seems to have the slightest idea where to run to get a pass.

For me we've at last started to look like a proper team lately. In Sven's words " a team that moves forward as a unit and back as a unit". For me it is that, more than anything, that has been lacking for years. And I wouldn't want anything done to spoil it.

I think we have a very different idea of what is 'necessary'. We had just come up from league 1 last season and finished 5th. We finished level on points with Cardiff. We narrowly lost in the play-offs. Fryatt was injured for much of the season, but the important fact is that he had a strike rate of 1 in 3.

Now say what you like about his all round game, but goals are very important.

I'd say we did what was necessary to have a great season. If he wasn't injured he'd probably have 20 goals.

[Finnegan]

You'd be way less boring if you didn't resort to "IF YOU DONT THINK MY FAVOURITE PLAYERS ARE AMAZING ITS OBVIOUSLY COS YOU DONT LIKE THEM!" as your argument every time someone put constructive criticism forward aimed at someone in our squad.

[Kitchandro]

You'd be way less boring if you didn't resort to "IF YOU DONT THINK MY FAVOURITE PLAYERS ARE AMAZING ITS OBVIOUSLY COS YOU DONT LIKE THEM!" as your argument every time someone put constructive criticism forward aimed at someone in our squad.

Fryatt is not my favourite player, not at all. I like Waghorn better because he's more exciting and can make things happen. I like Howard bettter because of his passion.

However, it is clear that some people clearly just dislike Fryatt, and it annoys me. I can look past the fact that I prefer some players to others, but some people cannot.

You cannot compare Waghorn and Howard's goalscoring prowess to Fryatt's. Fryatt is our best goalscorer.

I'd agree that Fryatt's all round game isn't the best, but that's not as important if you are a good goalscorer. It is because of his goalscoring that I think he shouldn't be let go, and that we should put him on the bench. Like Kingy, he always manages to find himself in the right positions. That's what a goalscorer does and that's what he can do if he gets a chance.

It annoys me that he is so unpopular, that's why I'm defending him.

[Finnegan]

He's unpopular because the British public, as a general rule, like honest, hard-working footballers and Fryatt is the quintessential lazy, frustrating boy. Waghorn, in contrast, runs non-stop. I'm not defending the general public in this instance - but nor should you be militantly critical of them either because you're not going to buck the trend.

As I said, I don't want to see Fryatt simply turfed out of the club without any consideration to replacing him. But I would, very desperately, like us to improve on him and that probably shouldn't be impossible if we've got the budget to make seven-figure signings.

[Kitchandro]

He's unpopular because the British public, as a general rule, like honest, hard-working footballers and Fryatt is the quintessential lazy, frustrating boy. Waghorn, in contrast, runs non-stop. I'm not defending the general public in this instance - but nor should you be militantly critical of them either because you're not going to buck the trend.

As I said, I don't want to see Fryatt simply turfed out of the club without any consideration to replacing him. But I would, very desperately, like us to improve on him and that probably shouldn't be impossible if we've got the budget to make seven-figure signings.

I don't think he's lazy, just slow. And he looks a bit retarded. Contrast that with Waghorn who is a proper athlete.

[Finnegan]

He is most definitely lazy.

[Thracian]

I think we have a very different idea of what is 'necessary'. We had just come up from league 1 last season and finished 5th. We finished level on points with Cardiff. We narrowly lost in the play-offs. Fryatt was injured for much of the season, but the important fact is that he had a strike rate of 1 in 3.

Now say what you like about his all round game, but goals are very important.

I'd say we did what was necessary to have a great season. If he wasn't injured he'd probably have 20 goals.

Fifth wins nothing and neither does 61 goals in a season. You need a minimum of 75 to have a realistic chance of going up because your target at the start of the season is a top two position. We missed that by a distance and for no more complex reason than we were so negative at times and in places like Ipswich, Barnsley, S****horpe and a good few more I could mention.

What we won last season was an unlikely outside chance of reaching the play-off final which we fluffed.

Three seasons ago I said Fryatt needed to work on his skills as a striker. I even specified how. Heading - he rarely scores a headed goal.

Seeing the pictures - he hardly ever spots a runner or delivers a killer pass. Shooting - he scores virtually all his goals from 12-18 yards but rarely gets a tap-in or long distance goal. Holding ability - Fryatt is too easily brushed off the ball and dispossessed at Championship level by the better defenders. Being so one-footed doesn't help in that respect either. Near post - Fryatt rarelty attacks or scores from set-pieces at the near post.

For me he's hardly improved any of these things. And, as I said about the changes, we're now on target to score more goals and have more players assisting with those goals than ever before in recent seasons. Sven clearly understands the number of goals we need to be successful and is working flat out to fix a team together that will do that.

Already people like Wellens and Howard have achieved almost as much as last season already and Gallagher and King look like doing the same by Christmas. That's all because the team is functioning as one. For me Fryatt is a talented player but he's an individual - a guy who looks as if he plays for himself first and foremost.

Well in defence and attack, Sven is changing that. Support seems to be his keyword. Personally he talks people up and makes them feel important, giving them free rein to show their skills. But in giving that freedom he also trusts that, teamwise, everyone helps one another whatever the phase, just like an SAS unit. Cos, bottom line, it's the team that either wins or loses not he guy who scores most goals or kills.

[hackneyfox]

Fryatt is not my favourite player, not at all. I like Waghorn better because he's more exciting and can make things happen. I like Howard bettter because of his passion.

However, it is clear that some people clearly just dislike Fryatt, and it annoys me. I can look past the fact that I prefer some players to others, but some people cannot.

So you can look past things but those that disagree with you can't?

Fryatt, Howard & Waghorn quite clearly do not score enough goals between them.

Fryatt scoring 20 in a season is not good enough if the other 2 only add another 20 between them.

Things clearly need to change.

And people don't 'just dislike' Fryatt, it is generally based on having watched the sulky, overweight, self centred individual over a number of years.

He could be great but he never will be due to his attitude.

Some people thought that he'd be playing for England come 2012, and here we are with a shortage of strikers for tomorrow night and he can't even get in our first team.

[Finnegan]

You really should give up that goals scored crap. It would be nice if we scored more but we didn't fluke into the play-offs, we were there on merit and had been in contdntion most of the season.

Ergo, we scored enough goals to have had a go at promotion. By everyone's logic but your own.

[Webbo]

Fifth wins nothing

But sixth gets you into the premier league?

[Thracian]

You really should give up that goals scored crap. It would be nice if we scored more but we didn't fluke into the play-offs, we were there on merit and had been in contdntion most of the season.

Ergo, we scored enough goals to have had a go at promotion. By everyone's logic but your own.

I didn't say we did "fluke" into the play-offs but all they gave us was the contrived outsiders punt of securing promotion by the proverbial back door.

Anyone aiming for the play-offs as the defined target for promotion is just being a speculator.

First or second position earns promotion as of right and you need 75 goals a season to have a reasonable chance of sitting in those places. We cocked that up through not having a go at such as the places I mentioned.

We deserved what we got.

[Kitchandro]

So you can look past things but those that disagree with you can't?

Fryatt, Howard & Waghorn quite clearly do not score enough goals between them.

Fryatt scoring 20 in a season is not good enough if the other 2 only add another 20 between them.

Things clearly need to change.

And people don't 'just dislike' Fryatt, it is generally based on having watched the sulky, overweight, self centred individual over a number of years.

He could be great but he never will be due to his attitude.

Some people thought that he'd be playing for England come 2012, and here we are with a shortage of strikers for tomorrow night and he can't even get in our first team.

A lot of people that dislike Fryatt can't accept what he's done right. They want him out because he is out of form but ignore other players being out of form. They are quick to get on his back as soon as possible.

I don't know who thought he'd be playing for England, he's clearly not quick enough and as I've admitted his all round game isn't the best. I think he's good enough for this level.

Look we are never going agree and I haven't got time to debate at the moment so I'll just leave it there.

I didn't say we did "fluke" into the play-offs but all they gave us was the contrived outsiders punt of securing promotion by the proverbial back door.

Anyone aiming for the play-offs as the defined target for promotion is just being a speculator.

First or second position earns promotion as of right and you need 75 goals a season to have a reasonable chance of sitting in those places. We cocked that up through not having a go at such as the places I mentioned.

We deserved what we got.

One last thing.

We were robbed in the play-offs

[lcfc_jme]

Why does everyone hate Fryatt? Have you all forgotten Yann Kermorgant??

[FoxyPV]

One last thing.

We were robbed in the play-offs

We weren't robbed in the Playoffs, we fooked up the first leg through negative tactics and poor goalkeeping and shooting thus giving us a mountain to climb which we did until Bruce hacked Chopra down.

[Finnegan]

Two games away from promotion isn't really "an outsider's chance."

Plenty of clubs aim for the play offs, especially last season when the league was dominated by two newly promoted sides who were always going to piss it.

Given the talent in their squads relative to ours I think we did pretty well, both defensively and offensively. Sure we could have been a bit more entertaining if we took the Blackpool route of throwing the kitchen sink at everyone regardless of how many they put by us but at the same time we could have scored fewer, too. Besides, we finished above Blackpool and they say the league doesn't lie. We scored relative amounts compared to the teams around us, had a MUCH higher goal-difference than the sides outside of the play-offs and generally did pretty well.

Don't understand your problem, really. If you want to look at a side that only achieved their position through ridiculously tight defending and whom really didn't score enough goals to get promoted, look at Paolo Sousa's Swansea who scored forty all year.

[J.Lisemore]

Lazy striker, who never looks like he can be arsed, but knows where the goal is...sometimes.

[shailen]

I'd agree that Fryatt's all round game isn't the best, but that's not as important if you are a good goalscorer. It is because of his goalscoring that I think he shouldn't be let go, and that we should put him on the bench. Like Kingy, he always manages to find himself in the right positions. That's what a goalscorer does and that's what he can do if he gets a chance.

I agree with this. he is the only striker at the club who can get you 20 goals a season, which is what we need and his nack of being in the right places at the right times is irreplaceable. Last season i believe he was our top scorer despite being injured for a few months!

[Thracian]

Two games away from promotion isn't really "an outsider's chance."

Plenty of clubs aim for the play offs, especially last season when the league was dominated by two newly promoted sides who were always going to piss it.

Given the talent in their squads relative to ours I think we did pretty well, both defensively and offensively. Sure we could have been a bit more entertaining if we took the Blackpool route of throwing the kitchen sink at everyone regardless of how many they put by us but at the same time we could have scored fewer, too. Besides, we finished above Blackpool and they say the league doesn't lie. We scored relative amounts compared to the teams around us, had a MUCH higher goal-difference than the sides outside of the play-offs and generally did pretty well.

Don't understand your problem, really. If you want to look at a side that only achieved their position through ridiculously tight defending and whom really didn't score enough goals to get promoted, look at Paolo Sousa's Swansea who scored forty all year.

I don't see a lot of point in noting exceptions - just what might be realistically required to achieve a promotion. Blackpool gave it everything and got their reward (we didn't even give it everything in the play-offs especially the first leg, or the Kermorghant decision) but I don't really give a toss about Blackpool or Swansea, just what we should have been doing and aiming for. And 61 goals was way short of what I'd have been aiming for. And I'm quite sure it's short of what Sven wants too.

[Trav Le Bleu]

From the thread so far I'm getting the feeling that:

Fazackerley says, "you'll get your chance."

Fans say, "meh."

[Thracian]

We weren't robbed in the Playoffs, we fooked up the first leg through negative tactics and poor goalkeeping and shooting thus giving us a mountain to climb which we did until Bruce hacked Chopra down.

You'll never convince em....

Or even get them to consider that we might have lost to Blackpool.

[hackneyfox]

One last thing.

We were robbed in the play-offs

In the 2nd leg perhaps.

NFP screwed up the first leg.

[shailen]

I don't see a lot of point in noting exceptions - just what might be realistically required to achieve a promotion. Blackpool gave it everything and got their reward (we didn't even give it everything in the play-offs especially the first leg, or the Kermorghant decision) but I don't really give a toss about Blackpool or Swansea, just what we should have been doing and aiming for. And 61 goals was way short of what I'd have been aiming for. And I'm quite sure it's short of what Sven wants too.

Although the first leg we lost due to our negativity, you cannot say that our players didnt give it everything. Remember Wellens could barely walk, yet he stayed on the pitch for us. Also the game was unbelievable, our lads came from two goals down to draw level at the end of 90 mins.