This Sven Guy!

[stockyfox]

Thank you to all those who took time not only to read but also comment on my original posting. I have to say it was ‘inspired’ after listening to firstly, ‘Football Forum’ on RL, then Foxes Radio, whilst reading through postings on this board and also Bentley’s.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion but I sometimes wonder if some ‘fans’ support the same Club as me. I accept that some comments arise possibly out of frustration but I will never condone destructive criticism.

In a nutshell, I personally think LCFC is indeed most fortunate to have secured the services of SGE and in this topsy-turvy world of football governed by money, we should respect the fact that MM fulfilled his ‘promise’ that when he left, the Club would be in a stronger and healthier position than when he first came.

When one remembers the dark and uncertain days of administration, the Club could have so easily gone under. By the grace of God, assisted by persons unknown but driven by a dedicated determination to ensure its survival, the Club has emerged with new owners and a manager who boasts an international reputation.

I also find the ‘best manager we’ve ever had’ theme quite amusing. Having been a City fan since the days of Norman Bullock, I have known well over half of those who have managed the Club during its 127 year history.

I wouldn’t presume to comment on the merits or otherwise of those managers before my time but I will say that the Club has had some really outstanding managers and I would not dream of insulting their memory by putting them into a ‘pecking order. In particular, Matt Gillies – a former excellent player for City before managing for ten years, Frank O’Farrell – snapped up by Man Utd., then the wonderful six years of Jimmy Bloomfield ultimately succeeded by the one and only Jock Wallace. The five years with Gordon Milne and the unforgettable era of Martin O’Neill in the more latter years should all be remembered with respect.

[Darkon84]

no sven

you don't wanna do it like that

[ithuriel]

When martin was here you had those supporters who thought he was not good enough etc., the same with brian little and nigel pearson, seems some things never change

[Darkon84]

Thank you to all those who took time not only to read but also comment on my original posting. I have to say it was inspired after listening to firstly, Football Forum on RL, then Foxes Radio, whilst reading through postings on this board and also Bentleys. Everybody is entitled to their opinion but I sometimes wonder if some fans support the same Club as me. I accept that some comments arise possibly out of frustration but I will never condone destructive criticism.

In a nutshell, I personally think LCFC is indeed most fortunate to have secured the services of SGE and in this topsy-turvy world of football governed by money, we should respect the fact that MM fulfilled his promise that when he left, the Club would be in a stronger and healthier position than when he first came.

When one remembers the dark and uncertain days of administration, the Club could have so easily gone under. By the grace of God, assisted by persons unknown but driven by a dedicated determination to ensure its survival, the Club has emerged with new owners and a manager who boasts an international reputation.

I also find the best manager weve ever had theme quite amusing. Having been a City fan since the days of Norman Bullock, I have known well over half of those who have managed the Club during its 127 year history.

I wouldnt presume to comment on the merits or otherwise of those managers before my time but I will say that the Club has had some really outstanding managers and I would not dream of insulting their memory by putting them into a pecking order. In particular, Matt Gillies a former excellent player for City before managing for ten years, Frank OFarrell snapped up by Man Utd., then the wonderful six years of Jimmy Bloomfield ultimately succeeded by the one and only Jock Wallace. The five years with Gordon Milne and the unforgettable era of Martin ONeill in the more latter years should all be remembered with respect.

Was there any alcoholic inspiration involved too? . Not criticising, just saying, I was pretty drunk when i wrote a huge ranting email to the UN. I never actually got a reply, how disappointed i was *sigh*

[Corky]

In :sge: We Trust

[artursteppe]

I too was here supporting the Leicester sides under Matt Gillies, Frank O'Farrell, Jimmy Bloomfield, Jock Wallace, Martin O'Neil ( and Gordon Milne? ). All good, or even very good or excellant. I do not have any experience of the manager's before the mid sixties. In my humble opinion Sven is, ( and will prove to be, beyond doubt ), the best manager we have had in the last 45 years. You can all smile as much as you like, but I know this to be true, OK?

[hackneyfox]

The Vieri thing was a joke, I don't actually hate Sven for that, but it was a very strange comparison.

That's okay then

[Guest BlueBrett]

Who are all these Sven haters though? I've not come across any. I'm pretty sure the consensus is, and has been for weeks, that Sven is the Dog's Bollocks. In fact I'm sure you would have to trawl through these boards for much longer to find somebody heavily citicising Sven than to find someone saying 'in Sven we trust' or something similar. Nice use of sarcasm though. Very clever.

[themotivator]

i dont think its necessarily Sven haters. just tedious to read peoples nitpickings and there suggestions of where Sven is going wrong. people who clearly believe they could do a better job or that there are things that they have recognised that the manager wouldn't have taken into consideration. football fans for you though eh.

best thing you can do as a football fan is get behind your team and manager 100%, which i'm sure the vast majority of the posters on here do.

unless he brings that shit **** oakley on.

[Haydos]

i dont think its necessarily Sven haters. just tedious to read peoples nitpickings and there suggestions of where Sven is going wrong. people who clearly believe they could do a better job or that there are things that they have recognised that the manager wouldn't have taken into consideration. football fans for you though eh.

That effectively ends all discussions. People are going to knitpick. People are going to praise things. Get over it.

[Parafox]

wait, who's this aimed at?

Think you're missing the point buddy, ever heard of IRONY?.. and it's not something you use to smooth your shirty's with

[Captain...]

i dont think its necessarily Sven haters. just tedious to read peoples nitpickings and there suggestions of where Sven is going wrong. people who clearly believe they could do a better job or that there are things that they have recognised that the manager wouldn't have taken into consideration. football fans for you though eh.

best thing you can do as a football fan is get behind your team and manager 100%, which i'm sure the vast majority of the posters on here do.

unless he brings that shit **** oakley on.

You mean like last night?

I was also swearing at my computer when he brought him on, but he made a vital contribution.

I am still not in the "In Sven we trust" camp yet, and I believe blindly following and not even questioning our glorious leader's decisions is very boring, I think he made some mistakes last night, especially with the substitutions, but we won.

I was a big Pearson fan when he was here but I would still question some of his decisions, it is not that I think I am a better manager, I can barely manage to get myself out of bed in time in the morning. It is just an opinion, a point of view to see if I am the only one thinking it.

[davieG]

Opinions on the why's, what's, when's and wherefore's is surely a deep part of being a football fan that includes reflecting on the good and commenting on the not so good. If anyone is like me after a match my head is full of mixed emotions re all the events in a game.

I don't have separate brain space for the good and bad it's all mixed together and if I'm in company it pours out of me in a haphazard manner one minute up the next down as the thoughts tumble out.

It's inevitable that whilst you're on a good run there will be more good stuff but every game, even if you've won 4-0 will have moments of what might have been could it have been 5-0, 6-0 but it also means that any criticisms will border on the nit picking. It doesn't mean people are upset, hate the manager or a particular player it's just part of the natural post match out pouring.

If all people want to hear is adoring sycophantic commentary post match then then they should steer clear of football forums and pubs after games.

[themotivator]

You mean like last night?

I was also swearing at my computer when he brought him on, but he made a vital contribution.

I am still not in the "In Sven we trust" camp yet, and I believe blindly following and not even questioning our glorious leader's decisions is very boring, I think he made some mistakes last night, especially with the substitutions, but we won.

I was a big Pearson fan when he was here but I would still question some of his decisions, it is not that I think I am a better manager, I can barely manage to get myself out of bed in time in the morning. It is just an opinion, a point of view to see if I am the only one thinking it.

ah 'twas only a joke matey. i moan at oakley, but i am aware that he can do a job. was just echoing the sort of comment that usually gets banded about here when he is started over wellens/abe/king (who i much prefer).

I understand you're need to question and rationalise the decisions made about your club, but you have to assume they have thought about it probably more than you have and with infinitely more time in training with the players and more knowledge of football in general.

You will feel much better about yourself once you welcome Sven with open arms. just try not to get too attached because it will be more than annoying when he leaves.

:scarf:

[Jacnah]

You mean like last night?

I was also swearing at my computer when he brought him on, but he made a vital contribution.

I am still not in the "In Sven we trust" camp yet, and I believe blindly following and not even questioning our glorious leader's decisions is very boring, I think he made some mistakes last night, especially with the substitutions, but we won.

I was a big Pearson fan when he was here but I would still question some of his decisions, it is not that I think I am a better manager, I can barely manage to get myself out of bed in time in the morning. It is just an opinion, a point of view to see if I am the only one thinking it.

superiority complex?

[Captain...]

superiority complex?

Nah, it's more that fact that I'm stuck in Spain (it's horrible with all this sunshine) and I don't have anyone to talk to about Leicester, I read the forums and the newspapers and watch what I can on the internet, but I can only get to a few live games a season. So my opinions are largely uninformed but if I don't express them here then i don't get to hear what the people who go week in week out think.

For example, last night, it looked like we were getting overrun in defence and midfield, I couldn't believe that they took off Dyer for Gally when the problem was clearly defensively, but from reading what people have put on here, the problem was more ball retention than defensive frailities and that gally put a real shift in, well for him.

I still think bringing on Berner for Dyer and pushing PVA into a more forward left wing role could have been a better solution, but Sven just about got it right last night.

I would like someone to think of a game where Sven's substitutions have changed the game, because I can't think of one. I doesn't mean there aren't any, and this may be a reflection on the strength in depth of the squad, but can anyone name a game where a tactical substitution changed the game. Doncaster doesn't count as Bednar was injured.

This is not just a criticism I've levelled at Sven, Pearson was just as uninspiring with his subs, but I do think that as the strength of the squad grows we need to be using it better to change games. To control a game we're winning and change a game we're losing.

[James.]

Who are all these Sven haters though? I've not come across any. I'm pretty sure the consensus is, and has been for weeks, that Sven is the Dog's Bollocks. In fact I'm sure you would have to trawl through these boards for much longer to find somebody heavily citicising Sven than to find someone saying 'in Sven we trust' or something similar. Nice use of sarcasm though. Very clever.

Agree with this. Got to be honest, the first post to me seemed like another tired bit of sarcasm - same trick that people have been using for ages on here. Sometimes it's funny and relevant, other times like this, it's neither.

It is generally agreed that Sven has done a great job so far, but like Shrapnel/davieG says there is nothing wrong with highlighting where people think he has made mistakes. That is part of being a football fan. I'm definitely one of the more optimistic ones who doesn't like to dwell on the negatives but I still enjoy reading posts by people with a more critical eye (like marbelladave for example).

[themotivator]

Opinions on the why's, what's, when's and wherefore's is surely a deep part of being a football fan that includes reflecting on the good and commenting on the not so good. If anyone is like me after a match my head is full of mixed emotions re all the events in a game.

I don't have separate brain space for the good and bad it's all mixed together and if I'm in company it pours out of me in a haphazard manner one minute up the next down as the thoughts tumble out.

It's inevitable that whilst you're on a good run there will be more good stuff but every game, even if you've won 4-0 will have moments of what might have been could it have been 5-0, 6-0 but it also means that any criticisms will border on the nit picking. It doesn't mean people are upset, hate the manager or a particular player it's just part of the natural post match out pouring.

If all people want to hear is adoring sycophantic commentary post match then then they should steer clear of football forums and pubs after games.

i agree with you davie. i suppose i don't have a problem with anybody putting across their opinion, its just a little tedious some times. i come on here to get the best news coverage on city, objective reports on how people played, your stuff and hopefully a bit of a laugh, because most of my city fan mates have upped sticks to the north so rarely get to chat about the foxes anymore.

maybe i just need to turn my spam filter on, i cant be bothered to read peoples opinions of how they think the game team should be managed, unless we are clearly going through a nightmare patch like the beginning of the season and even then most of us were thinking the same, fairly obvious things.

[davieG]

i agree with you davie. i suppose i don't have a problem with anybody putting across their opinion, its just a little tedious some times. i come on here to get the best news coverage on city, objective reports on how people played, your stuff and hopefully a bit of a laugh, because most of my city fan mates have upped sticks to the north so rarely get to chat about the foxes anymore.

maybe i just need to turn my spam filter on, i cant be bothered to read peoples opinions of how they think the game team should be managed, unless we are clearly going through a nightmare patch like the beginning of the season and even then most of us were thinking the same, fairly obvious things.

Well I'm sure after a game, win or lose Sven and his team will analyse the game more than we do and try to pick out positives and where they can improve. I din't see why the fans can't do that. Is it any less tedious than reading page after page " In Sven we trust". Sven isn't a God he'll make mistakes and it strikes me he's the kind of guy that will admit them because he knows that's how you improve and develop yourself.

I doubt also he's that fussed at people doing the same, it's certainly always been part of my enjoyment of the game. Football is not unlike a game of chess in that tactics play a big part and even Chess World Masters have people critiquing their play.

As has been said many times before the forum is like being down the pub post match but with a load more people giving an opinion so there's bound to be a bit more repetition than you'd get in the pub but unless people are on a WU or being abusive then I don't see the problem. It's pretty easy to see the context of someone's post without fully reading it and if it looks like it's not to your taste then you move on.

I'd sooner see someone give a genuine opinion no matter how much I disagree with it than see the abusive responses like, 'idiot', 'fool' and much worse that some people give I know who's company I'd prefer.

[Edmund]

In Sven we trust.......

[drc]

I would like someone to think of a game where Sven's substitutions have changed the game, because I can't think of one. I doesn't mean there aren't any, and this may be a reflection on the strength in depth of the squad, but can anyone name a game where a tactical substitution changed the game. Doncaster doesn't count as Bednar was injured.

Well in the Doncaster game he could have substituted Bednar with Howard or Waghorn but chose Dyer - if he had chose Howard it probably haven't changed the game.

Still you need to have players on the bench that can change the game (attacking), defensively we have a few.

Look at yesterdays bench, it's not like you see too much magic there in changing the game, maybe an in-form Martyn Waghorn.

In that sense it could be better to have some players with great pace on the bench like dyer and vassel because they maybe can make more differnce when they come in as substitutes.

Conrad Logan

Bruno Berner

Jack Hobbs

Matt Oakley

Steve Howard

Paul Gallagher

Martin Waghorn

[themotivator]

Well I'm sure after a game, win or lose Sven and his team will analyse the game more than we do and try to pick out positives and where they can improve. I din't see why the fans can't do that. Is it any less tedious than reading page after page " In Sven we trust". Sven isn't a God he'll make mistakes and it strikes me he's the kind of guy that will admit them because he knows that's how you improve and develop yourself.

I doubt also he's that fussed at people doing the same, it's certainly always been part of my enjoyment of the game. Football is not unlike a game of chess in that tactics play a big part and even Chess World Masters have people critiquing their play.

As has been said many times before the forum is like being down the pub post match but with a load more people giving an opinion so there's bound to be a bit more repetition than you'd get in the pub but unless people are on a WU or being abusive then I don't see the problem. It's pretty easy to see the context of someone's post without fully reading it and if it looks like it's not to your taste then you move on.

I'd sooner see someone give a genuine opinion no matter how much I disagree with it than see the abusive responses like, 'idiot', 'fool' and much worse that some people give I know who's company I'd prefer.

sorry davie. put my spam filter on for this one.

not really

I agree to an extent. i don't object to the opinion or the criticism. again its the idea that they know better or that they have noticed something that the manager clearly hasn't. i know i know debate is what this forum is about. perhaps i'm exaggerating the number of supporters who are genuinely deluded enough to think they could do a better job than someone with the experience of Sven or Pearson or even Sousa. i'll just let people carry on and enjoy supporting lcfc.