AoWW Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 I'm not too sure whether you mean Libya or Labia - both of which conjure up very different pictures when I read your first post!!! Pfft, you were too quick with your edit!!!
Guest BlueBrett Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 I wish I had some blood money Maybe I'll get my hands on some yet. If Gaddafi needs a place to stay any time soon I've an unused garage I can get ready for him. 2million pounds per month seems a reasonable rate I'd say. I'll even let him play with my chemistry set for an extra 500k.
MPH Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 I have an horrific feeling there is goinh to be much much more bloodshed in Libya before anything is concluded. Muammar Gadaffi is a nutter.
Babylon Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 Muammar Gadaffi is a nutter. He'll end up staying in charge and slowly round up all the people he's seen on tv demonstrating against him.
I am Rod Hull Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 Cant wait for the asylum seekers..... O_o
Fosse Boy Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 Cant wait for the asylum seekers..... O_o Yeah, be much better if they stayed in their own country and got brutally slaughtered by their complete headcase of a leader.
I am Rod Hull Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 Im talking about the ruling party ..... Gaddafi`s henchmen.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 24 February 2011 Author Posted 24 February 2011 Yeah, be much better if they stayed in their own country and got brutally slaughtered by their complete headcase of a leader. Now you see this highlights something that occured to me yesterday when someone on the radio phone-in on Radio 5 said that "We must save all the British people in Libya," simply on the basis that, well, they're British. But I thought to myself, well why? Some of them could be absolute gits of the highest order and we'd be bringing them back whilst leaving behind people of other nationalities who were the kindest, most industrious, pleasant people you could meet. Why just base who you're going to save on, "they're the same nationality"? Actually, there IS an obvious answer to this, but hypothetically, ideally, you'd save the best people - who would come from a much broader cross-section than purely Britain.
Zingari Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 Now you see this highlights something that occured to me yesterday when someone on the radio phone-in on Radio 5 said that "We must save all the British people in Libya," simply on the basis that, well, they're British. But I thought to myself, well why? Some of them could be absolute gits of the highest order and we'd be bringing them back whilst leaving behind people of other nationalities who were the kindest, most industrious, pleasant people you could meet. Why just base who you're going to save on, "they're the same nationality"? Actually, there IS an obvious answer to this, but hypothetically, ideally, you'd save the best people - who would come from a much broader cross-section than purely Britain. Yes , an excellent idea , But who would decide who was more worthy ? And how would we decide who would be on the comittee to decide who was more worthy, and what criteria made up worthiness ? Or would we have an X Factor style phone-in vote to decide who should be allowed onto planes to Britain You fookin pseudo French hippy
I am Rod Hull Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 I know an Iraqi lad who escaped and got asylum over here. Nice lad, intelligent and funny. Had some good talks with him about world politics, yank soldiers (he said they think they`re in a movie.. gung ho) his home in Iraq, his home over here, religion and stuff.. The thing that made me smile was the fact that he thought Britain would be paradise... He said its nothing like what he`d seen on TV. He works hard and is a TRUE asylum seeker, unlike the ones who have been raping thier countrys weath and whom will come over here and do sod all other than cause grief.....
MPH Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 He'll end up staying in charge and slowly round up all the people he's seen on tv demonstrating against him. He has been in charge now for over 40 years.... you don't do that without a love of all things naughty....
Trav Le Bleu Posted 24 February 2011 Author Posted 24 February 2011 His face just ...sags. Mickey Rourke is signed up to play him in the film about this.
Guest Bilo Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 Muammar Gaddafi is sadly insane and will do absolutely anything to stay in power, even if that includes massacring his own people. There are already hundreds dead and there's little doubt that hundreds more will die before Gadaffi finally gives up, the only hope of avoiding further bloodshed is if the country's military turns against him as the Egyptian military did. That Gadaffi has blamed al-Qaeda is an incredibly transparent attempt at getting the West on his side but it's a futile gesture that will fail. This will mean that his tactics in quelling the strike will be aimed towards crushing it as quickly as possible through spreading fear. There will be more bloodshed before this is over, make no bones about it.
l444ry Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 Did anyone see Cameroon dragged in front of the cameras this morning to apologise for the farcical attempts by this government to get British people out of Libya. In fact, the much criticised company BP have managed to get a plane load of their own workers back on home soil before Cameron's planes managed to leave the UK. Did he blame the snow?.....Did he blame world prices?....No, this time he blamed technical difficulties. Never one to shy away from a bullshit excuse is Cameroon. However, one question someone should ask him is this: How come he can fly a plane load of arms dealers into the middle east and tour numerous countries with them yet he can't fly a plane load of the British general public out of Libya? Wouldn't have something to do with the fact some of those arms dealers that he was so proud to fly over to Egypt and the middle east with, selling arms to very unstable countries, were Conservative Party donors would it. At least we know who comes top of your priorities Dave.
Benji Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 I love how he's blaming Bin Laden now, reminds me of the family guy clip.
BoneDog Posted 25 February 2011 Posted 25 February 2011 Rumours going around that he has been shot. Oil prices droped after the rumour started! Big conspiracy going on right now and whatever the outcome it won't be good for most Libyans. Or Egyptians, Bahrainis and wherever else these events start cracking off. Somebody is preparing the field for Armageddon........and you know this maaaaaaaaaaaaan. Some of those websites that are calling for support on the streets in the Middle East right now (or cannon fodder as some call them) are well dodgy.
breadandcheese Posted 25 February 2011 Posted 25 February 2011 Did anyone see Cameroon dragged in front of the cameras this morning to apologise for the farcical attempts by this government to get British people out of Libya. In fact, the much criticised company BP have managed to get a plane load of their own workers back on home soil before Cameron's planes managed to leave the UK. Did he blame the snow?.....Did he blame world prices?....No, this time he blamed technical difficulties. Never one to shy away from a bullshit excuse is Cameroon. However, one question someone should ask him is this: How come he can fly a plane load of arms dealers into the middle east and tour numerous countries with them yet he can't fly a plane load of the British general public out of Libya? Wouldn't have something to do with the fact some of those arms dealers that he was so proud to fly over to Egypt and the middle east with, selling arms to very unstable countries, were Conservative Party donors would it. At least we know who comes top of your priorities Dave. Always with the party politics, when really, this is a non-party political issue. The government and the foreign office's handling and response to events has been poor at best. Heads should roll, as the response to a country degenerating into civil war has been painfully slow, leaving British nationals exposed, unprotected and unsure what to do. It simply wasn't good enough and it's not acceptable that bureaucrats can sit there pontificating in comfort whilst British people relying on them are stranded in Libya. To bring in arm dealing on a party political level completely ignores Labour's record in power, especially its policies towards Libya.
breadandcheese Posted 25 February 2011 Posted 25 February 2011 Rumours going around that he has been shot. Oil prices droped after the rumour started! Big conspiracy going on right now and whatever the outcome it won't be good for most Libyans. Or Egyptians, Bahrainis and wherever else these events start cracking off. Somebody is preparing the field for Armageddon........and you know this maaaaaaaaaaaaan. Some of those websites that are calling for support on the streets in the Middle East right now (or cannon fodder as some call them) are well dodgy. I'm intrigued and know that I'll regret asking this, but what is the conspiracy doing the rounds? Does it involve Zionists, Masons, Lizard people or Canadians?
FoxyPV Posted 25 February 2011 Posted 25 February 2011 I'm intrigued and know that I'll regret asking this, but what is the conspiracy doing the rounds? Does it involve Zionists, Masons, Lizard people or Canadians?
Jon the Hat Posted 25 February 2011 Posted 25 February 2011 Always with the party politics, when really, this is a non-party political issue. The government and the foreign office's handling and response to events has been poor at best. Heads should roll, as the response to a country degenerating into civil war has been painfully slow, leaving British nationals exposed, unprotected and unsure what to do. It simply wasn't good enough and it's not acceptable that bureaucrats can sit there pontificating in comfort whilst British people relying on them are stranded in Libya. To bring in arm dealing on a party political level completely ignores Labour's record in power, especially its policies towards Libya. There is no evidence that there has been any pontificating by anyone. Clearly the plans in place for such events were not good enough, but don't extrapolate that to people sitting on their arses, or start assuming this would have been any different under Labour. Step one is to try and get people out on scheduled flights. You cannot arrange charters while scheduled flights continue because people then cancel the scheduled flights and you make the situation worse. Once Charters become necessary there are difficulties in landing a plane in a country where there is civil unrest, governmental collapse and no one to give permission to land. This resulted in the agreed charter companies saying they would not allow the planes to land in Tripoli. The ones who would then gave us planes that broke down. Great. Not much the Govt can do to fix a plane. military planes have the same problem. If we land a military plane in Tripoli without permission who knows what local security forces might do? These guys do have Mirage jets you know. What if they shot it own on the way out? Gadaffi is nuts I would not put it past him. The answer is that if you try and arrange things like this when the situation happens you are too late and you get chaos. The Government has probably had some more pressing things to review in the last 10 months than the emergency evacuation plans for North African countries don't you think?
breadandcheese Posted 25 February 2011 Posted 25 February 2011 There is no evidence that there has been any pontificating by anyone. Clearly the plans in place for such events were not good enough, but don't extrapolate that to people sitting on their arses, or start assuming this would have been any different under Labour. Step one is to try and get people out on scheduled flights. You cannot arrange charters while scheduled flights continue because people then cancel the scheduled flights and you make the situation worse. Once Charters become necessary there are difficulties in landing a plane in a country where there is civil unrest, governmental collapse and no one to give permission to land. This resulted in the agreed charter companies saying they would not allow the planes to land in Tripoli. The ones who would then gave us planes that broke down. Great. Not much the Govt can do to fix a plane. military planes have the same problem. If we land a military plane in Tripoli without permission who knows what local security forces might do? These guys do have Mirage jets you know. What if they shot it own on the way out? Gadaffi is nuts I would not put it past him. The answer is that if you try and arrange things like this when the situation happens you are too late and you get chaos. The Government has probably had some more pressing things to review in the last 10 months than the emergency evacuation plans for North African countries don't you think? I'm not going to disagree with what you say but the question still remains, why have Portugal, Germany and Poland (to name but 3 countries) all managed to do a far better job than our foreign office in bringing home their nationals?
Guest Bilo Posted 25 February 2011 Posted 25 February 2011 Thank goodness Labour can take the moral high ground with regard to Libya eh L444ry? The response to this has been far from satisfactory as commentators of all political stripes have agreed and it's a national scandal that it took so long to get British citizens out of the country, but to bring party politics into it is nothing short of ridiculous, especially considering Labour's record is hardly squeaky clean in itself.
l444ry Posted 25 February 2011 Posted 25 February 2011 Thank goodness Labour can take the moral high ground with regard to Libya eh L444ry? The response to this has been far from satisfactory as commentators of all political stripes have agreed and it's a national scandal that it took so long to get British citizens out of the country, but to bring party politics into it is nothing short of ridiculous, especially considering Labour's record is hardly squeaky clean in itself. I expect better from you Bilo. Two wrongs don't make a right and bringing Blair's appalling Labour Party record into this is a smokescreen. It's Cameroon's show now and my original post stands as factually uncontestable. The problems in Libya have been brewing for several weeks, so what has happened in the last few days should be no surprise, yet our government has shown itself to be utterly useless in its response. The UK government decided to hire a plane that was broken, then their utter failure was compounded by the fact that a UK oil company beat the UK government in getting a flight out to Libya. Meanwhile, whilst all this is happening we have a Prime Minister peddling arms dealers around the Middle East, and a Deputy Prime Minister (where are you Mr Clegg) who was on holiday ! Couldn't they see this coming? Everybody else could! There are British nationals holed up in remote desert bases, many of which have airstrips, saying that they have contacted the UK government. Their families have contacted the UK government and nothing is being done. Of course, perhaps we could have sent an aircraft carrier, if we had one with aircraft on it. Ooops, another government mistake! Useless, utterly useless (and shameful).
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