cairnsy Posted 10 March 2011 Posted 10 March 2011 Right, normally i wouldnt waste my time with a post like this but people are so blinkered atm its ridicilous. A lot of people are moaning of our 1 point in a possible 12, sure this isnt great but tbf we have played 3/4 of teams at the top of the league. Sure we can be dissapointed by our promotion push almost ending, but can i put this into perspective. When sven took over, we were 24th with 5 points after 9 games. Sven had no pre season, no knowledge of the players or anything. To do what he has done is unbelievable, even there being talk at one stage that we could get automatics. Currently under sven we have gained 43 points in 27 games, which i think is outstanding with a bunch of average players that under pearson could only play "unpretty" and "hit and hope" football. But people still have the bottle to moan and i dont get it. Things that annoy me: (1) Loanees: people moan endlessly about these "new boys" coming into our squad saying that we are paying too much for them and that half shouldnt be here and its changing the squad too much and its unfair to our current squad. However Sven had to get loanees because 60% of the current squad couldn't play football how sven wanted them too. To be fair to sven all of the loanees sven brought in i thought would be very good however some did not turn out to be (bendnar, Kirkland etc). But i believed that they were very good players at the time before coming to the club. I think all the loans he made and are here atm are very good, Ben Mee, Naughton, (Cunningham), Yak. People moan about the Yak's wages claiming it to be over £50,000. Its not even close to that so dont make that nonsense up. Also people moan that loanees have no passion for the club. On tuesday the only people i could see people with passion was Ricardo and Naughton. You could see the frustration from both of them because of the team losing, no-one else. (2) Favourites: People have this idea that "our" players are always better than anyone else, Talking about the Waghorns, the howards the hobbs's the weales and the brunos. I would challenge anyone to that. Waghorn isnt firing when giving oppurtunities bar one game when everyone went mental that he managed to score and should be no #1 striker all the time, ill tell you something, he was awful against norwich. Howard is as good as bednar, lost his legs too. Hobbs is a decent player however he is an old fashioned cb and is horrendiously out of form atm. Weale has such poor positioning and is afraid to leave his goal-line and bruno has lost his legs too and rarely goes forward and doesnt fit in with svens plans. There is a reason Sven doesnt play them, people should not get deluded just because they're leicester players. (3) Scapegoating: My my my this really annoys me. Currently, the major scapegoats are aimed at Ricardo and the Yak. Ill take tuesday as an example. Sure ricardo made 2 mistakes but did it ever lead to a goal? no. However, piss poor defending from not marking hoolahan and wellans just standing on the post not even trying to clear the ball meant the goal. But what? wait! who gets the blame - Ricardo. Im sorry but how on earth is he supposed to save the ball from there. Second goal - penalty, still got idiots chanting weale after that. 3rd Goal again people started chanting weale despite it having a huge deflection off mee. I just cant comprehend how people can blame him for losing the game when everyone played awful. Secondly the big Yak"50k not really" abu. People think yes he is from the prem league he should score all the time and win the game on his own. People blamed it on him for tuesday too, whereas if you dont put him in good areas hes not going to score, like all strikers. He had to get wide so many times to try and open up the play. People saying he was too lazy, trust me he is tracking back more then i have ever seen before, he is improving and doing a lot of a better job than waghorn or howard could do. If you want to blame people for the loss, blame those who deserve it rather than those you just have a vendetta for. People have to realise that whilst sousa was here i was happy with a midtable finish, i feared we would get relegated again. Peoples expectations soared when sven came in, he is just a man and is doing fantastic at the moment. People may moan but believe me, when he has the summer to prepare for the new season and can buy players that will do a good job rather than panic loan that he has had to due to limited time, we will have a VERY good team next year if we dont go up this year. So stop moaning, Give your support and realise the situation we are actually in from half a year ago
The Doctor Posted 10 March 2011 Posted 10 March 2011 now now, there is no room for common sense on this board at the best of time let alone when the doom merchants are out in force following a couple of defeats.
Zingari Posted 10 March 2011 Posted 10 March 2011 fans will be fans , you won't change 'em what can't be cured must be endured
cc_star Posted 10 March 2011 Posted 10 March 2011 Right, normally i wouldnt waste my time with a post like this but people are so blinkered atm its ridicilous. A lot of people are moaning of our 1 point in a possible 12, sure this isnt great but tbf we have played 3/4 of teams at the top of the league. Sure we can be dissapointed by our promotion push almost ending, but can i put this into perspective. When sven took over, we were 24th with 5 points after 9 games. Sven had no pre season, no knowledge of the players or anything. To do what he has done is unbelievable, even there being talk at one stage that we could get automatics. Currently under sven we have gained 43 points in 27 games, which i think is outstanding with a bunch of average players that under pearson could only play "unpretty" and "hit and hope" football. But people still have the bottle to moan and i dont get it. Things that annoy me: (1) Loanees: people moan endlessly about these "new boys" coming into our squad saying that we are paying too much for them and that half shouldnt be here and its changing the squad too much and its unfair to our current squad. However Sven had to get loanees because 60% of the current squad couldn't play football how sven wanted them too. To be fair to sven all of the loanees sven brought in i thought would be very good however some did not turn out to be (bendnar, Kirkland etc). But i believed that they were very good players at the time before coming to the club. I think all the loans he made and are here atm are very good, Ben Mee, Naughton, (Cunningham), Yak. People moan about the Yak's wages claiming it to be over £50,000. Its not even close to that so dont make that nonsense up. Also people moan that loanees have no passion for the club. On tuesday the only people i could see people with passion was Ricardo and Naughton. You could see the frustration from both of them because of the team losing, no-one else. (2) Favourites: People have this idea that "our" players are always better than anyone else, Talking about the Waghorns, the howards the hobbs's the weales and the brunos. I would challenge anyone to that. Waghorn isnt firing when giving oppurtunities bar one game when everyone went mental that he managed to score and should be no #1 striker all the time, ill tell you something, he was awful against norwich. Howard is as good as bednar, lost his legs too. Hobbs is a decent player however he is an old fashioned cb and is horrendiously out of form atm. Weale has such poor positioning and is afraid to leave his goal-line and bruno has lost his legs too and doesnt get forward at all and doesnt fit in with svens plans. There is a reason Sven doesnt play them, people should not get deluded just because they're leicester players. (3) Scapegoating: My my my this really annoys me. Currently, the major scapegoats are aimed at Ricardo and the Yak. Ill take tuesday as an example. Sure ricardo made 2 mistakes but did it ever lead to a goal? no. However, piss poor defending from not marking hoolahan and wellans just standing on the post not even trying to clear the ball meant the goal. But what? wait! who gets the blame - Ricardo. Im sorry but how on earth is he supposed to save the ball from there. Second goal - penalty, still got idiots chanting weale after that. 3rd Goal again people started chanting weale despite it having a huge deflection off mee. I just cant comprehend how people can blame him for losing the game when everyone played awful. Secondly the big Yak"50k not really" abu. People think yes he is from the prem league he should score all the time and win the game on his own. People blamed it on him for tuesday too, whereas if you dont put him in good areas hes not going to score, like all strikers. He had to get wide so many times to try and open up the play. People saying he was too lazy, trust me he is tracking back more then i have ever seen before, he is improving and doing a lot of a better job than waghorn or howard could do. If you want to blame people for the loss, blame those who deserve it rather than those you just have a vendetta for. People have to realise that whilst sousa was here i was happy with a midtable finish, i feared we would get relegated again. Peoples expectations soared when sven came in, he is just a man and is doing fantastic at the moment. People may moan but believe me, when he has the summer to prepare for the new season and can buy players that will do a good job rather than panic loan that he has had to due to limited time, we will have a VERY good team next year if we dont go up this year. So stop moaning, Give your support and realise the situation we are actually in from half a year ago Firstly, ignoring Sousa's start to the season - If the season started with Sven's 1st game in charge we would 7th in the league (attributing Burnley their average points for their 2 games in hand) - 7th hardly something I'd expect of a world renowned supposedly master tactician & very, very expensive manager, who's wages alone are adding massively to our debt. 1) Loanees: As you point out there were a couple of failures, but in the main the signings are good footballers - I'd counter that with there too many of them to build a cohesive team as I mentioned in my other thread we seem to be all about then individual but we're actually a poor unit, who plays very, very badly when the other team has the ball - or we don't get any momentum going, which has happened quite a bit. The players are all of a similar style and not one of them likes to get amongst. You probably wouldn't want any of them in the trenches with you. 2) Favourites: Sure you can pick fault with players on the books, but you can equally pick fault with players who's come in. Vassell is proving poor, but as he's Sven's man he's undroppable, Yakubu can create a goal out of nothing & is worth playing if our team is playing well, but if we're not we need the manager to be flexible & get someone on who wants to be a teamplayer. All the defenders (yes all 472 of them) yes they're comfortable on the ball - but so what, defending is about stopping the ball going in and our defending is abysmal 3) Scapegoating: I agree no player should be booed whilst on the pitch as its counter-productive but away from the pitch people are free to give their opinion on anyone Sousa again... people need to get over the Sousa issue, sure he F'ed everything up, taking a top5 side to the bottom... but any half decent manager could have turned it around and got us to mid-table given guidance, coaching & development along with a couple of shrewd loan signings.... I don't see what Sven has done in addition to that. He is not the messiah people have been duped into believing. He's a chequebook manager, which says to me he can't or won't coach or even build a team. We probably could end up buying our way out of the division (which is fair enough, why not), but as soon as he leaves or if the money tap ever gets turned off we'd be left with nothing lasting apart from some very, very highly paid players
cairnsy Posted 10 March 2011 Author Posted 10 March 2011 Firstly, ignoring Sousa's start to the season - If the season started with Sven's 1st game in charge we would 7th in the league (attributing Burnley their average points for their 2 games in hand) - 7th hardly something I'd expect of a world renowned supposedly master tactician & very, very expensive manager, who's wages alone are adding massively to our debt. 1) Loanees: As you point out there were a couple of failures, but in the main the signings are good footballers - I'd counter that with there too many of them to build a cohesive team as I mentioned in my other thread we seem to be all about then individual but we're actually a poor unit, who plays very, very badly when the other team has the ball - or we don't get any momentum going, which has happened quite a bit. The players are all of a similar style and not one of them likes to get amongst. You probably wouldn't want any of them in the trenches with you. 2) Favourites: Sure you can pick fault with players on the books, but you can equally pick fault with players who's come in. Vassell is proving poor, but as he's Sven's man he's undroppable, Yakubu can create a goal out of nothing & is worth playing if our team is playing well, but if we're not we need the manager to be flexible & get someone on who wants to be a teamplayer. All the defenders (yes all 472 of them) yes they're comfortable on the ball - but so what, defending is about stopping the ball going in and our defending is abysmal 3) Scapegoating: I agree no player should be booed whilst on the pitch as its counter-productive but away from the pitch people are free to give their opinion on anyone Sousa again... people need to get over the Sousa issue, sure he F'ed everything up, taking a top5 side to the bottom... but any half decent manager could have turned it around and got us to mid-table given guidance, coaching & development along with a couple of shrewd loan signings.... I don't see what Sven has done in addition to that. He is not the messiah people have been duped into believing. He's a chequebook manager, which says to me he can't or won't coach or even build a team. We probably could end up buying our way out of the division (which is fair enough, why not), but as soon as he leaves or if the money tap ever gets turned off we'd be left with nothing lasting apart from some very, very highly paid players Sven was thrown into the lions den when going into leicester, He had no time to bring in his own players, he had no pre-season to get the team to how he wanted them to play, if he had a pre-season im sure they would do better than 7th. I agree with the vas thing, he's not brilliant, but neither are the people who could replace him. Waggy has wasted so many chances, i can remember two clear cut at qpr, Dyer is getting worse by the day and gallagher is a woman in disguise, the only person i would want to see is schlupp as he is playing very well atm but i dont know if he can cut it at this level yet.
SMX11 Posted 10 March 2011 Posted 10 March 2011 Bruno does get forward... Yeah, but by the time he does their backline has had time to read the match program let alone set up correctly.
Guest ttfn Posted 10 March 2011 Posted 10 March 2011 Good to see another thread from the self-righteous brigade. We get it, you're better fans than everyone else. (For what it's worth I'm delighted with our season, all things considering, but it's very disappointing the way that the bubble's suddenly burst).
Foxhateram Posted 10 March 2011 Posted 10 March 2011 Message deleted because I have lost the will to live.
Zingari Posted 10 March 2011 Posted 10 March 2011 Message deleted because I have lost the will to live. it was good to see your sig again though
Christoph Posted 10 March 2011 Posted 10 March 2011 We have shit fans. This is nothing new. We have shit fans. This is nothing new.
Foxhateram Posted 10 March 2011 Posted 10 March 2011 it was good to see your sig again though Glad to be of service.
Zingari Posted 10 March 2011 Posted 10 March 2011 We have shit fans. This is nothing new. We have shit fans. This is nothing new. I think it's a fairly universal attitude by fans weren't some Newcastle fans walking out at half time against Arsenal when they were 4-0 down ?
purpleronnie Posted 10 March 2011 Posted 10 March 2011 I think it's a fairly universal attitude by fans weren't some Newcastle fans walking out at half time against Arsenal when they were 4-0 down ? Never left a game early but I dont think walking out at 4-0 makes them shit fans. Silly perhaps but thats only in hindsight.
Zingari Posted 10 March 2011 Posted 10 March 2011 Never left a game early but I dont think walking out at 4-0 makes them shit fans. Silly perhaps but thats only in hindsight. no of course it doesn't i didn't mean it to sound like they were shit fans , just typical of some fans who are disappointed by the team's display what i was trying to say that leicester have their share of fans that show their frustration in this way the same as all other clubs
nothin2seehere Posted 10 March 2011 Posted 10 March 2011 Yeah, but by the time he does their backline has had time to read the match program let alone set up correctly. Hah. Reminds me of the ol' saying "he couldn't pass the salt and pepper". Not related to Bruno btw.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 10 March 2011 Posted 10 March 2011 fans will be fans , you won't change 'em what can't be cured must be endured So we don't have to endure herring then?
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 10 March 2011 Posted 10 March 2011 We have shit fans. This is nothing new. We have shit fans. This is nothing new. We also have some fantastic fans. IMO some of the best in the country (and no i dont include myself in that), all clubs have fickle fans and i mean ALL CLUBS
B52 Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 Good to see another thread from the self-righteous brigade. We get it, you're better fans than everyone else. (For what it's worth I'm delighted with our season, all things considering, but it's very disappointing the way that the bubble's suddenly burst). So it's ok to have the forum flooded with trash talk...?
Darkon84 Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 Bruno does get forward... But then he cant get back quick enough
Messi Posted 11 March 2011 Posted 11 March 2011 Very good post, and I agree with everything you say. I get wound up at the best of times with the fans around me so to have someone to speak sense is good Come on City!!
accessory Posted 12 March 2011 Posted 12 March 2011 Favourites: People have this idea that "our" players are always better than anyone else, Talking about the Waghorns, the howards the hobbs's the weales and the brunos. I would challenge anyone to that. Waghorn isnt firing when giving oppurtunities bar one game when everyone went mental that he managed to score and should be no #1 striker all the time, ill tell you something, he was awful against norwich. Howard is as good as bednar, lost his legs too. Hobbs is a decent player however he is an old fashioned cb and is horrendiously out of form atm. Weale has such poor positioning and is afraid to leave his goal-line and bruno has lost his legs too and rarely goes forward and doesnt fit in with svens plans. There is a reason Sven doesnt play them, people should not get deluded just because they're leicester players. Scapegoating: My my my this really annoys me. If you want to blame people for the loss, blame those who deserve it rather than those you just have a vendetta for. Hypocrite much? I didn't see Sven, Top or anyone else at the club doing a lot to dampen expectations during the winning run. So fans have every right to whinge when those expectations aren't met.
ta-fc Posted 12 March 2011 Posted 12 March 2011 @in_Sven_we_trust - whilst I agree with the majority of what you say I think you may have missed the point somewhat. My gripe with SGE is to do with the constant tinkering, he had turned us around, we had an established settled side and were starting to play good football. He has admitted he's got agents at his door offering him players constantly, taking them on loan and upsetting the side as a whole has now backfired and probably cost us a shot at promotion. Abe/King/Wellens looked unstoppable in Midfield and a combination of Gally/Yak/Vas or Lloyd gave us pace, creativity and an eye for goal up top. I'm not getting involved in the whole Ricardo/Weale debate... Now I will concede two points, I don't see the players in training and I admit sometimes they need a rest, but I do generally see them when it actually counts on the pitch saturday afternoons... and at the moment its looking poor.
Mac Posted 12 March 2011 Posted 12 March 2011 Yeah, but by the time he does their backline has had time to read the match program let alone set up correctly. Did you notice who crossed the ball for Wellen's goal? Have you noticed how often, when Bruno does get forward, we score... compared to say Cunningham or PVA?? Sure Tuesday night he was sometimes exposed. But that was due to a bad 'team' performance, and the stupid system we played with no wingers to act as back up!
cairnsy Posted 12 March 2011 Author Posted 12 March 2011 Hypocrite much? I didn't see Sven, Top or anyone else at the club doing a lot to dampen expectations during the winning run. So fans have every right to whinge when those expectations aren't met. Am I scapegoating them for losses though? No I am just stating facts. People rave about how good they are but that is what they are like really, not as gd as other players at this club
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