Brown Fox Posted 19 March 2011 Posted 19 March 2011 Ok you have a point.But I didn't moan about Naughton,i've never been a fan of Yakubu-Everton fans wanted rid,£24k a week who can blame them ? Schlupp has been on the bench for us,then sent packing to Brentford ! King & Wellans are tired,give them as rest as the play offs look out of reach Well Schlupp has only been on the bench the last 2 games. He's only 18 and Sven rates him but he's obviously not ready yet or we would have kept him. Some goals and experience is great for him. Also this international break should be great for the whole team. Even though King is in the Wales team I doubt he'll play the 90mins with players like Ramsey and Ledley in CM. Give us time to re cooperate and give it one last push!
STEVIE B Posted 19 March 2011 Posted 19 March 2011 It's not the fact that they are on loan that is the problem, it depends on the individual. No-one can argue that Naughton (as you said) and the likes of Waghorn and Cleverley in recent times didn't give their all despite only being on loan. What concerns me more is (if rumours are to be believed) that we take players on loan on the understanding that they have to play x amount of games during their spell, regardless of their form or effort.. That, I don't agree with. It seems Sven has deals with the loanees clubs regarding appearences,and a redeuction in payments etc etc.This must be the reason as to why Vitor was replaced by Bruma.This can't be very good for morale,and why we have a far from settled back 4.I guess when you go cap in hand to the 'big boys' asking to borrow players,that's what happens.We need more stability IMO.
thybluefox Posted 20 March 2011 Posted 20 March 2011 Course we need stability but what do you expect Sven to do? The shower of shit (Lamey, robbie n, n'guessan etc) that was here when he arrived weren't good enough to win a raffle. Even everyones favourite grumpy **** Pearson would have struggled to replicate last season. Sven had to get loanees in, not just to try and get us promoted, but to stop us being relegated too.
shailen Posted 20 March 2011 Posted 20 March 2011 The team puts in alot of effort, and therefore passion cant be questioned IMO! We were attacking throughout the game, if we dint give a shiit we wouldnt have tried to get an equaliser. I think we have lost the momentum, from our winning run which we need to get back. We may as well say bye to play offs now unless we can win 7/8 remaining games which we wont!
Corky Posted 20 March 2011 Posted 20 March 2011 To me it was a lack of quality. We were trying to create, we just weren't good enough.
Kitchandro Posted 20 March 2011 Posted 20 March 2011 Well moan about lack of effort then not 'pashun'. 'We need more pashun!' It's passion to play football and the will to win, not passion to play for us. They went through the motions and put in 'effort', but it was with no conviction or pride. They didn't believe they could win and mentally gave up. That's different to the Norwich game in which most players just didn't try.
Kitchandro Posted 20 March 2011 Posted 20 March 2011 Course we need stability but what do you expect Sven to do? The shower of shit (Lamey, robbie n, n'guessan etc) that was here when he arrived weren't good enough to win a raffle. Even everyones favourite grumpy **** Pearson would have struggled to replicate last season. Sven had to get loanees in, not just to try and get us promoted, but to stop us being relegated too. We weren't going to get relegated with the players we had, first of all. Secondly, he didn't need to bring in loans, he was given money and could have got less players but with more quality and on a permanent basis. He needed to shift out some of the rubbish but he changed too much too soon, and it has backfired now.
Corky Posted 20 March 2011 Posted 20 March 2011 We weren't going to get relegated with the players we had, first of all. Secondly, he didn't need to bring in loans, he was given money and could have got less players but with more quality and on a permanent basis. He needed to shift out some of the rubbish but he changed too much too soon, and it has backfired now. He did. Look at the right backs before Naughton. The central defence was conceding far too many (it still is) but it needed repairing at the time, so Davies was brought in. Even Bruno was out of sorts, which is why Cunningham then Mee were signed. Several of his signings haven't worked but he needed to do something when he came in.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 20 March 2011 Posted 20 March 2011 We weren't going to get relegated with the players we had, first of all. Secondly, he didn't need to bring in loans, he was given money and could have got less players but with more quality and on a permanent basis. He needed to shift out some of the rubbish but he changed too much too soon, and it has backfired now. This. He has changed the nucleus of the team too quickly, how many of yesterdays team were played last season in the playoff team? King, Wellens and Gallagher. He has changed the team selctions too often for little reason, its been a case of too many cooks spoiling the broth for me. I hope we dont sign Kamara as we dont need him. For 2million plus, and on loan at first we could get Mackail-Smith from Posh, who I havent always rated but least he gives 100% and never stops trying. We need that sort of passion at the moment, not like Yakubu who is here and not really trying too hard.
Kitchandro Posted 20 March 2011 Posted 20 March 2011 He did. Look at the right backs before Naughton. The central defence was conceding far too many (it still is) but it needed repairing at the time, so Davies was brought in. Even Bruno was out of sorts, which is why Cunningham then Mee were signed. Several of his signings haven't worked but he needed to do something when he came in. In January I'm talking about.
thybluefox Posted 20 March 2011 Posted 20 March 2011 The january transfer window is notoriously difficult to buy any real decent players in. And you can't expect any manager to come in and play the football of an old regime, no matter what was achieved with it. Therefore Sven had to replace players because the squad just weren't good enough to get the ball on the ground and play, part of the reason Sousa failed.
Kitchandro Posted 20 March 2011 Posted 20 March 2011 The january transfer window is notoriously difficult to buy any real decent players in. And you can't expect any manager to come in and play the football of an old regime, no matter what was achieved with it. Therefore Sven had to replace players because the squad just weren't good enough to get the ball on the ground and play, part of the reason Sousa failed. Sousa failed because he also tried to change too much too soon. To play his system he needed different kind of players, but the point was he didn't need to change our style and system so quickly. Sven is obviously trying to impose his style but likewise, you can't change things too much. The personnel has changed so quickly that it has been difficult to find a team bond and spirit. Besides, some of the players may have been brought in to fit his style, but they've just been poor.
The Doctor Posted 20 March 2011 Posted 20 March 2011 This. He has changed the nucleus of the team too quickly, how many of yesterdays team were played last season in the playoff team? King, Wellens and Gallagher. He has changed the team selctions too often for little reason, its been a case of too many cooks spoiling the broth for me. I hope we dont sign Kamara as we dont need him. For 2million plus, and on loan at first we could get Mackail-Smith from Posh, who I havent always rated but least he gives 100% and never stops trying. We need that sort of passion at the moment, not like Yakubu who is here and not really trying too hard. i do hate this idea, sure effort/passion is important but a work-shy player who will bury pretty much everything is better than a player that will chase everything only to spoon any resulting chance over the bar.
Jimmy Posted 21 March 2011 Posted 21 March 2011 i do hate this idea, sure effort/passion is important but a work-shy player who will bury pretty much everything is better than a player that will chase everything only to spoon any resulting chance over the bar. exactly Iain Hume would chase everything down but when the ball got up the other end he'd still be in and around our own defence or if he had caught up he'd be so knackered he'd blow the chance, players need to work hard yes, but they need to do so intelligently, which might be why Waggy is only a sub as Sven knows he hasn't learn't this yet so gives him 20 mins to go full pelt
The Year Of The Fox Posted 21 March 2011 Posted 21 March 2011 My observation from saturday was that after 10mins, we looked as if we were 3nil up with 10mins to go, seeing out the game in other words! Or that the players were playing as if it was the last game of the season with nowt to play for. Fitness maybe?
Houdini Logic Posted 21 March 2011 Posted 21 March 2011 People often forget that these players are not fans of the team they are playing for. It'd be like me becoming a professional player and playing for a team like Yeovil - sure I'd want to do well and always want to win and further my career, but if we lost I'd go home and it wouldn't effect me in the same way it would their fans. For me this is where Grayson got it right - bringing in local Leeds lads and letting them play their hearts out.
artursteppe Posted 21 March 2011 Posted 21 March 2011 I have not read all the posts on this topic, but I do know some will be blaming the loanees for our recent lacklustre performances. Kyle Naughton is our most energetic player. Certainly in the second half against Pompey, Bruma, and Mee showed far more endeavour than King or Wellens. It all comes down to the psyche of individual players. We do not have enough 'winners'. Too many 'pussies', not enough 'balls', and that has nothing to do with the team being Leicester players or loanees. Skill is a great thing to have, but we need more players in the team who also have some 'grit'. We are too easily 'bullied'.
lcfc_jme Posted 21 March 2011 Posted 21 March 2011 People often forget that these players are not fans of the team they are playing for. It'd be like me becoming a professional player and playing for a team like Yeovil - sure I'd want to do well and always want to win and further my career, but if we lost I'd go home and it wouldn't effect me in the same way it would their fans. For me this is where Grayson got it right - bringing in local Leeds lads and letting them play their hearts out. Absurd. I can't understand anybody being interested in sports if they're not in it to win it. Yes, the enjoyment side is vital, clearly, but if you're not going to be bothered about losing you're wasting everyone's time. I fvcking hate losing, whether it's in a friendly or competitive game regardless of who I'm playing for - even when I'm playing for a side that isn't "mine" - as most on here who've attended the six aside tourney well know. I honestly fail to understand how "sports people" can be "good losers". It's an alien concept to me, it really is.
Haydos Posted 21 March 2011 Posted 21 March 2011 Absurd. I can't understand anybody being interested in sports if they're not in it to win it. Yes, the enjoyment side is vital, clearly, but if you're not going to be bothered about losing you're wasting everyone's time. I fvcking hate losing, whether it's in a friendly or competitive game regardless of who I'm playing for - even when I'm playing for a side that isn't "mine" - as most on here who've attended the six aside tourney well know. I honestly fail to understand how "sports people" can be "good losers". It's an alien concept to me, it really is. Same, playing anything i'd always hate to lose. It wouldn't matter who I was playing for, new club, long serving club, school team, i'd never give less than 100%. Obviously I could be lacking empathy for people who have been the game that long and worked that hard but I just can't see it being in a professionals nature.
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