Anti Sven chat

[Guest Col city fan]

He couldn't possibly get any long term signings because in reality he had only the one month of the january transfer window to operate with. Therefore he had been forced to bring in loanees as he isn't allowed to bring anyone else in.

Give him the summer transfer window, a full pre season and some money and this league will be ours next season.

What a ridiculously over optimistic post this is... Typical of the nonsense that gets posted sometimes... This league will be ours next season! How the hell can you know that? Will Sven still be here? Will naughton sign? Etc etc.. Look at facts and reality man. Our current form would suggest that what you are saying is very unlikely. Who are you? Mystic smeg?

[The Sven Revolution]

looking for opinions in an adult discussion. I do not stoop to call your opinions pathetic, neither do I apologise for raising some important questions..

Yes but calling a manager who has done well turning this season around for us a court Jester and wanting him sacked doesn't seem balanced to me..

[The Sven Revolution]

He didn't say that to be fair, he just wanted opinions if you actually read the post.

He did in another thread though

[The Sven Revolution]

What a ridiculously over optimistic post this is... Typical of the nonsense that gets posted sometimes... This league will be ours next season! How the hell can you know that? Will Sven still be here? Will naughton sign? Etc etc.. Look at facts and reality man. Our current form would suggest that what you are saying is very unlikely. Who are you? Mystic smeg?

Agreed - 'League will be Ours' is an over estimation but its fair to say we should be in the top 3-4 teams next season. And we should give him a full transfer window, else what you seem to be suggesting is SACK SVEN..but to me that is the worst form of over expectations'!

[somebum]

... but its fair to say we should be in the top 3-4 teams next season. ...

Now that's an over inflated view of our own importance if ever I heard one

[The Sven Revolution]

Now that's an over inflated view of our own importance if ever I heard one

NO Sir it is not an over inflated view. What I said is we should be or I would expect us to be there around the top teams next season if the owners back Sven with strong quality signings in the summer..and if aren't in the top few teams next season..this manager deserves the sack..but not now..now is the time to back him fully and give a proper go next season..kindly explain the "over inflated view here"..

[somebum]

The same could be said for most clubs and most supporters, it is this deluded belief that by somehow bankrolling the manager, we'd have a right to be in the top 4. Perhaps 'have a right' is too strong a word to use, maybe 'earn the right'. You need a strong leader - what good is a pack of wolves led by a sheep? He had the best players in England at his disposal during his time as national manager and he made an absolute pigs ear of that, playing wrong formations, players out of position etc. Remember Southgate's quote regarding the dressing room at half time in the World Cup game against Brazil "we needed Winston Churchill but we got Ian Duncan Smith".

You can give Sven all the money in the world but if he cant motivate players, City won't go anywhere. He had massive success at Lazio because the chairman bankrolled him with millions, very much like Blackburn in the early 90's. The difference between Lazio and Leicester is that big players would want to play for Lazio; here, we just get 'big players' looking for the last big paycheck.

We've had a hyperinflated view of our club's size for years. People look at Sven's record of trophies which have been dug up from the knackers yard of European football in the 80's and 90's and assume that he could achieve the same here. Not going to happen.

[Guest Col city fan]

NO Sir it is not an over inflated view. What I said is we should be or I would expect us to be there around the top teams next season if the owners back Sven with strong quality signings in the summer..and if aren't in the top few teams next season..this manager deserves the sack..but not now..now is the time to back him fully and give a proper go next season..kindly explain the "over inflated view here"..

It is essential to give balanced views in these threads.. see Babylon, Spider Pig, Thracian, Haydos for excellent examples of well thought out, logical arguments and accounts.

Your biased view and over-inflation of Sven the manager is, given our current run of form, frankly dangerous as it tries to thwart healthy and open debate on the future of the club. I would reconsider your stance a little and suggest that you refrain from making such broad generalisations about where we are going to be under Sven, both now and next season. Watch the football, analyse the signings, the tactics, the fans reactions...then give a view

[davieG]

Sven's not perfect but I suspect there's fans at every club in this league saying that about their current manager at one time or another and I respect everyone's right to criticise him, I certainly do.

I can admit that yesterday I sat there questioning, after the last two home performances do I really want to renew my ST but the simple fact is we're a Championship team and this is par for the course you have good days, great days, bad days and shit days but thinking you can get better than Sven is the talk of madness.

But those that seem totally unhappy with him, Ibbosuk, Somebum et al who do you want instead of Sven, serious question because I just can't imagine anyone better in our position or even if we were in the PL?

[somebum]

Well clearly there is a real famine of good managers going on out there. I wouldn't actually go so far as to say SVEN OUT, I just don't think City will get anywhere with him in charge. Obscurity beckons whilst he is here until something amazing happens and we unearth a Paul Lambert type figure from the lower leagues. The usual names tossed into the hat all scare me to death anyway - Dowie, Coleman, Strachan etc.

[accessory]

Sven's not perfect but I suspect there's fans at every club in this league saying that about their current manager at one time or another and I respect everyone's right to criticise him, I certainly do.

I can admit that yesterday I sat there questioning, after the last two home performances do I really want to renew my ST but the simple fact is we're a Championship team and this is par for the course you have good days, great days, bad days and shit days but thinking you can get better than Sven is the talk of madness.

But those that seem totally unhappy with him, Ibbosuk, Somebum et al who do you want instead of Sven, serious question because I just can't imagine anyone better in our position or even if we were in the PL?

The implication you make is that we should look forward (!) to more "performances" like yesterday's and the previous two home games because there is no-one else who can manage this team any better.

That scenario would be almost as depressing as yesterday's result. However there is at least one manager out there who could name his price and his terms to Top & co and could take the job on during the summer.

But whether Martin O'Neill would want to come back to us is a question only he can answer.

[davieG]

The implication you make is that we should look forward (!) to more "performances" like yesterday's and the previous two home games because there is no-one else who can manage this team any better.

That scenario would be almost as depressing as yesterday's result. However there is at least one manager out there who could name his price and his terms to Top & co and could take the job on during the summer.

But whether Martin O'Neill would want to come back to us is a question only he can answer.

Not really - "fact is we're a Championship team and this is par for the course you have good days, great days, bad days and shit days" we just happen to have had two shit home games on the trot but by all accounts the Scunthorpe game was better, QPR in spite of the defeat was an immensely enjoyably game and many others have been as well.

If MON is the only person you can think of then I can see better ways of spending my time hoping/wishing that Sven fails badly enough to provide even the opportunity and the faintest of chances of getting MON.

Personally I wouldn't want him back because I doubt he could replicate his previous achievements with us, just my feeling and I was never that convinced he was entirely happen to be at LCFC or with their fans when he was last here.

[MattyFromLE]

The man can be only truly judged next season when he has a full pre season to prepare.

I think the fact that he 'over-achieved' so much early on meant that expectations rocketed. As others have said, when he took over and we were bottom of the league even the thought of making the Play Offs seemed pie in the sky. The fact is, despite our recent wobble, he has done a sterling job thus far. Granted some of his decisions have been questionable but show me a manager who doesn't make unexpected changes and indeed make mistakes.

I've got no problem with people being disappointed with how things have gone recently and indeed wondering about the logic in some of his decisions but anyone questioning the guy's ability is deluded. He's not spent the bulk of his managerial career at the top level and achieved so much by being a bad manager, he needs time and i'm sure the Thai owners will afford him that.

If he fails next season (i.e at least not making the Play Offs) then fine, he will deserve the criticism, but at this juncture let's appreciate what he has achieved so far and get behind him.

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[accessory]

Not really - "fact is we're a Championship team and this is par for the course you have good days, great days, bad days and shit days" we just happen to have had two shit home games on the trot but by all accounts the Scunthorpe game was better, QPR in spite of the defeat was an immensely enjoyably game and many others have been as well.

Actually it's three shit home games on the trot - the failure to beat a dire Coventry side should have rung alarm bells but clearly didn't. Even the win at Scunthorpe was achieved largely through a player who is clearly not rated by the management.

If MON is the only person you can think of then I can see better ways of spending my time hoping/wishing that Sven fails badly enough to provide even the opportunity and the faintest of chances of getting MON.

It would take someone of MON's track record to justify the massive payoff we'll probably have to give Sven if we want to replace him during the summer. I'm not convinced that even if Sven is given millions to spend, he'll do any better with the resources than his former protege Peter Taylor did.

Personally I wouldn't want him back because I doubt he could replicate his previous achievements with us, just my feeling and I was never that convinced he was entirely happen to be at LCFC or with their fans when he was last here

I'm sure MON wouldn't want to come back if he felt that there was any risk of tarnishing his past record here. I doubt he'd want to work with inferior squad of players assembled by Pearson and now by Sven. But it is worth noting that he could have ended his spell with us a lot earlier than he did, so he couldn't have been too unsettled by us.

Part of the issue is that we've been constantly served up dross by a succession of p!sspoor/inadequate managers during the last 30 years and beyond (and especially during the past decade). We hoped that the current incumbent would succeed, as MON eventually did, in breaking that mould, but the evidence of the past month has been less than promising.

[davieG]

Actually it's three shit home games on the trot - the failure to beat a dire Coventry side should have rung alarm bells but clearly didn't. Even the win at Scunthorpe was achieved largely through a player who is clearly not rated by the management.

It would take someone of MON's track record to justify the massive payoff we'll probably have to give Sven if we want to replace him during the summer. I'm not convinced that even if Sven is given millions to spend, he'll do any better with the resources than his former protege Peter Taylor did.

I'm sure MON wouldn't want to come back if he felt that there was any risk of tarnishing his past record here. I doubt he'd want to work with inferior squad of players assembled by Pearson and now by Sven. But it is worth noting that he could have ended his spell with us a lot earlier than he did, so he couldn't have been too unsettled by us.

Part of the issue is that we've been constantly served up dross by a succession of p!sspoor/inadequate managers during the last 30 years and beyond (and especially during the past decade). We hoped that the current incumbent would succeed, as MON eventually did, in breaking that mould, but the evidence of the past month has been less than promising.

In his first season MON took over a decent team well placed in the league for the play offs and on a high and in a confident state and struggled to succeed and got into the play-offs and subsequently promoted by a whisker, Sven has taken over a team totally demoralised and rooted in the relegation zone. I'm betting if you compared their results and performances there'd not be a lot of difference. Perhaps Sven deserves a chance to prove himself beyond this first season.

[Brown Fox]

I can't believe this thread. People genuinely saying that Sven isn't good enough for this club. Wow. Maybe you're the ones that need to get realistic ****ing hell some people will never be happy.

[Brown Fox]

What a ridiculously over optimistic post this is... Typical of the nonsense that gets posted sometimes... This league will be ours next season! How the hell can you know that? Will Sven still be here? Will naughton sign? Etc etc.. Look at facts and reality man. Our current form would suggest that what you are saying is very unlikely. Who are you? Mystic smeg?

Seeing as Sven signed a 2 year contract and has repeatedly said he's going to fulfil it then yes I do believe he'll be here. And what's naughton got to do with it. Even if he doesn't sign I would still back Sven to get a replacement capable of doing a job. Naughton isn't the only good right back in the world. And I just think people are forgetting where he came in at this season, we were bottom with no confidence etc. but look where we are now. Yea were not on a great run but look at Cardiff. Great team and big money signing but still faltering. Sven has not had enough time and so has had to go crazy in the loan market to make up for the shit we had early on this season. And I do think we'll have this league. Are you forgetting how good a manager Sven is? Or shall we get a lower league one just so you can feel happy as were part of a success story? Sven is rated as one of the best managers in the world and he has not got the depth of squad to get us up this year and that is not his fault. Yes I agree he shouldn't be tinkering but I can understand as he's trying to force play offs. I'm genuinely concerned for you if you think we'd get anyone better. We're Leicester city not Man U. If anything you are being unrealistic.

[Guest Col city fan]

Seeing as Sven signed a 2 year contract and has repeatedly said he's going to fulfil it then yes I do believe he'll be here. And what's naughton got to do with it. Even if he doesn't sign I would still back Sven to get a replacement capable of doing a job. Naughton isn't the only good right back in the world. And I just think people are forgetting where he came in at this season, we were bottom with no confidence etc. but look where we are now. Yea were not on a great run but look at Cardiff. Great team and big money signing but still faltering. Sven has not had enough time and so has had to go crazy in the loan market to make up for the shit we had early on this season. And I do think we'll have this league. Are you forgetting how good a manager Sven is? Or shall we get a lower league one just so you can feel happy as were part of a success story? Sven is rated as one of the best managers in the world and he has not got the depth of squad to get us up this year and that is not his fault. Yes I agree he shouldn't be tinkering but I can understand as he's trying to force play offs. I'm genuinely concerned for you if you think we'd get anyone better. We're Leicester city not Man U. If anything you are being unrealistic.

fair enough mate.. you're entitled to your view.. i hope you're correct

[The Sven Revolution]

It is essential to give balanced views in these threads.. see Babylon, Spider Pig, Thracian, Haydos for excellent examples of well thought out, logical arguments and accounts.

Your biased view and over-inflation of Sven the manager is, given our current run of form, frankly dangerous as it tries to thwart healthy and open debate on the future of the club. I would reconsider your stance a little and suggest that you refrain from making such broad generalisations about where we are going to be under Sven, both now and next season. Watch the football, analyse the signings, the tactics, the fans reactions...then give a view

I don't need you to tell me what I should do mate! And anyway thank heavens your view of scathing criticism and 'Sven is not the man for us' is in a minority. Listen don't make this personal..you are well within your rights to express your view and the lack of backing for the manager, fair enough. But don't tell me that I'm not doing the right thing by backing him..good luck.

[MC Prussian]

looking for opinions in an adult discussion. I do not stoop to call your opinions pathetic, neither do I apologise for raising some important questions..

Which were...?

[21st Century Fox]

It is essential to give balanced views in these threads.. see Babylon, Spider Pig, Thracian, Haydos for excellent examples of well thought out, logical arguments and accounts.

Your biased view and over-inflation of Sven the manager is, given our current run of form, frankly dangerous as it tries to thwart healthy and open debate on the future of the club. I would reconsider your stance a little and suggest that you refrain from making such broad generalisations about where we are going to be under Sven, both now and next season. Watch the football, analyse the signings, the tactics, the fans reactions...then give a view

Coming from someone whose rubbishing a manager whose been in a job six months and hasn't had the chance of a pre-season, I find this pretty rich.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

In Sven :sge: we must trust - if he dont cut the mustard next season then fair enough sack him

[seenitall]

Blimey 5 points off the play offs and we're all in tears and having a little Sven strop - our post xmas form would see us in 2nd place if it had been maintained from the start of the season (1.85 pts per game = 70 pts).

Don't get all excited when Sven wins and then all upset when he loses - its the season that counts and and you should take a longer term view - I know, why not see how it goes over a season, that usually tells you how well (or not) you've done!

[Guest Col city fan]

I don't need you to tell me what I should do mate! And anyway thank heavens your view of scathing criticism and 'Sven is not the man for us' is in a minority. Listen don't make this personal..you are well within your rights to express your view and the lack of backing for the manager, fair enough. But don't tell me that I'm not doing the right thing by backing him..good luck.

Im not not backing the manager...you're optimism, although strangely over the top, is refreshing. And I hope you're right and that I'm wrong. The bit I dont get is the 'scathing criticism' remark..yes I have doubted for weeks that Sven would get us up this season, and have made this clear, but the post was looking for a balanced view of his strengths and weaknesses. Reading back, both views have been expressed throughout the spread, some politely, some vociferously. Do you really think I'd not love to see City back in the Premiership? Of course I would and I hope Sven's gonna take us there. However, yet again, what I won't do is blindly laud a manager BECAUSE they are our manager. Instead, if I've got worries I'll express them, and ask for opinion... is that not the point of Foxes talk?

[seenitall]

Im not not backing the manager...you're optimism, although strangely over the top, is refreshing. And I hope you're right and that I'm wrong. The bit I dont get is the 'scathing criticism' remark..yes I have doubted for weeks that Sven would get us up this season, and have made this clear, but the post was looking for a balanced view of his strengths and weaknesses. Reading back, both views have been expressed throughout the spread, some politely, some vociferously. Do you really think I'd not love to see City back in the Premiership? Of course I would and I hope Sven's gonna take us there. However, yet again, what I won't do is blindly laud a manager BECAUSE they are our manager. Instead, if I've got worries I'll express them, and ask for opinion... is that not the point of Foxes talk?

But what don't you like - that he lost some games? What worries you - that he hasn't got a good enough track record? What on earth led anyone to believe that he could get us up this season (and I'm not sure the season is over yet) - the fact we were even contemplating play offs up to yesterday seems to not amaze anyone or did you not look at the league table after 9 games? Probably too many 'nots' in that but hey ho you get the message - so we lost by one goal to the team in in fourth place, second place, the leaders and the team with the strongest defence in the league. Does this make us terrible? It's a bad run but get over it - you don't need to be over optimistic any more than you need to run Sven out of town every time we don't win 7-0.

PS, I know we lost 2-0 to Cardiff