Anti Sven chat

[smudgerfox]

For the umptieth time: Yes, it is both important and significant to note that Sven has had less time to prep a team in accordance with his own style.

This team has had less time to gel together (and still lacks cohesion at times) compared to other top sides in this division.

Perhaps one reason they lack cohesion is that most of the team (and the bit Sven obviously favours) will be off back to where they came from when they fail to get get promoted. Leaving the others to wonder whether Sven really means it when he says he rates them or just that he hasn't - as yet - found the obligatory Premiership squad replacement.

What's bad about the loan players that we have? It's a fact that they have less time to fit in into an already-existing system, take longer time to settle and very often, they don't care a single bit about the club they're loaned to.

Nothing's bad about the players we have on loan it's just so obvious that Sven would rather play them - whatever their form, whatever their position - in favour of the players he hasn't signed. See cohesion point earlier.

But don't you think that with the loan players that we've had so far, it's been a rather successful turnaround?

Turnaround yes, miracle no, I'm not sure we'd have been relegated under any manager and if all the loan players leave you can't really say we've made any progress season on season.

If I remember correctly, Van Aanholt for instance once stated he knew nothing about Leicester City and didn't want to join us initially. You look at the games he's played so far and he's been doing rather well.

I also remember someone saying at yesterday's phone-in that we've ended up with "Premiership rejects". How stupendous is that?

How stupendous that they're Premiership? or how stupendous that they're rejects? I'm not responsible for what other people say on Radio leicester or anywhere else.

With the exception of Yakubu, who's also still only 28, they're mostly young players who need match practice to prove themselves to their parent club.

Quite. And largely unlikely to sign permanently.

But the majority of players we've gotten so far have also helped us raise from the ashes quite a bit.

yes

You think Yakubu's goals so far or Naughton's were all for nothing?

I love Naughton and every post I have posted indicates that. Yakubu gave us a welcome shot-in-the-arm but hasn't maintained it.

Why do I think is point b) about Eriksson totally wrong? How many games do you follow the team or can't you see that you state yourself in your own post that Sven brought in Bamba, Vassell or Ricardo on a permanent?What kind of a counter-opinion is that? What are you trying to say? Nothing? You contradict yourself in your very own post.

It's called being open-minded. It's the opposite of ranting abuse.

[You also fail to mention that Vassell can score and that he has already scored for us. But for some strange reason, you either forgot about this or excluded this fact from your theory on purpose.

It would be pretty odd if Vassell wasn't able to score at all. He is a forward. Three in 22 starts. Waghorn four in 11. Last season, in Pearson's weaker team, Waghorn 12 in 28.

Labeling Ricardo a disaster? As someone else in another thread has put it, he's let in exactly the same number of goals in the games that he started than Weale in the 8 games before Ricardo was made Number One.

It's not just about his defensive record though is it? He's gone straight in the team, ahead of Weale, as did kirkland, and for what? As you admit, there has been no improvement in our defence.

Both keepers have their weak spots, or how come you fail to bring up Weale's problems with shots from distance (e.g. his own positioning)?

My point is more subtle. I'm not saying Weale is perfect, I'm simply saying that a loyal servant of the club has been humiliated by Sven's desire to have a big name goalie both of whom have proved no better than him.

As for Kamara, the guy's known for his speed and agility, with a decent scoring record at the top level and who says he won't start alongside Waghorn up front? Yakubu might just as well be given a rest.

Why already criticizing a player before he's even started once for us? What's the logic behind that?

Have you seen Kamara's recent scoring record in recent seasons? That's the logic.

Why all this negativity towards loan players or the loan system? It's a system to be exploited, and that's what Sven is doing.

Because it's short term, does nothing to develop the club as a whole and all along we have needed a midfield player and all we get is a succession of strikers, centre halves and keepers.

Let's say Sven had signed more players on a permanent - if they performed badly, would you slate them as much as the current loanees?

Don't you think it would've been by far more dangerous to proceed with such an approach?

Imagine being stuck with bad permanent signings or having to pay them out of their contract.

That's an argument for never signing anyone. Borrow everyone!

Every player has his off-days, irrespective of his contract situation.

Are you Garth Crooks in disguise?

Posters like you with your personal issues and knee-jerk reactions to Sven and his signings are a mirror of a minority of closet racist fans in the stands who have nothing better to do than to moan week in, week out about what they perceive as a lack of "Britishness" at the club.

It's become a bit obvious to me as a kind of a reoccurring theme in negative reactions that there's quite a few odd Leicester fans who think that English (or British) players and managers are inherently miles better than everything foreign.

Ranting abuse

Wanking off to names like Waghorn, Weale, King or Wellens which is also a very narrow view of life in football and also exemplary of a specific type of prejudice.

I've better things to do with my spare time, I assure you.

You lack faith and commitment and troll on about times past, the glory years and whatnot.

That was in the past, focus on the present. And the future that lies ahead of us and (maybe) try to see things a bit more realistic.

So sorry I disappoint you.

And what's wrong about the Manchester City approach to football?

They think money and reputation negate the obvious truth that football is a team game.

They're currently fourth in the Premier League.

Do you prefer sitting in 11th in the Championship? You wouldn't want to swap places with them?

Is that on offer?

Yeah, right.

Yeah right.

[21st Century Fox]

My point is more subtle. I'm not saying Weale is perfect, I'm simply saying that a loyal servant of the club has been humiliated by Sven's desire to have a big name goalie both of whom have proved no better than him.

[MC Prussian]

Perhaps one reason they lack cohesion is that most of the team (and the bit Sven obviously favours) will be off back to where they came from when they fail to get get promoted. Leaving the others to wonder whether Sven really means it when he says he rates them or just that he hasn't - as yet - found the obligatory Premiership squad replacement.

Who says they'll be back where they came from?

Nothing's bad about the players we have on loan it's just so obvious that Sven would rather play them - whatever their form, whatever their position - in favour of the players he hasn't signed. See cohesion point earlier.

So if there's nothing bad about them, why the rant? And maybe they're being played because they are an improvement over what we had before.

Turnaround yes, miracle no, I'm not sure we'd have been relegated under any manager and if all the loan players leave you can't really say we've made any progress season on season.

Explain this bit. I don't understand what you're trying to say.

It's called being open-minded. It's the opposite of ranting abuse.

Rather the contrary, amigo.

It's not just about his defensive record though is it? He's gone straight in the team, ahead of Weale, as did kirkland, and for what? As you admit, there has been no improvement in our defence.

So, let's get this straight: There's no real reason for you to slate Ricardo other than the fact that you love Weale. And where did I admit there's been no improvement in our defense? Don't start putting words in my mouth, fella!

My point is more subtle. I'm not saying Weale is perfect, I'm simply saying that a loyal servant of the club has been humiliated by Sven's desire to have a big name goalie both of whom have proved no better than him.

You're probably as subtle as a slap on the forehead. How come two years suddenly qualifies as being a "loyal servant" to the club? Back in the days, you needed about 5 or even 10 years to be considered a legend.

And before you call Ricardo worse than Weale, let's wait and see until Ricardo has gotten about as many games under his belt than Weale.

Have you seen Kamara's recent scoring record in recent seasons? That's the logic.

Again - why slating a player when he hasn't even featured in the team yet? That's no logic, that's more or less the exact opposite of it.

(The loan system) i's short term, does nothing to develop the club as a whole and all along we have needed a midfield player and all we get is a succession of strikers, centre halves and keepers.

Would you like to give Sven an entire pre-season this summer to counter-prove your own argumentation here?

That's an argument for never signing anyone. Borrow everyone!

Sven has signed three players on a permanent, that's not borrowing everyone.

Are you Garth Crooks in disguise?

No, but the point still stands: Players have their off-days, irrespective of their contract situation.

They think money and reputation negate the obvious truth that football is a team game.

So Manchester City are not playing as a team then?

Also, how about stopping to post replies in my own post for a change? It's pathetic, really. And hard to read, too.

Maybe a proper, coherent statement on its own would do the trick next time around.

[smudgerfox]

I'll have one more go - though quite why I'm bothering I'm not so sure.

I believe, you're free to disagree with me, that Sven's preference for loan players over existing signed players has acted to the detriment of the team, team spirit, team cohesion and that whether they're better than the players we have is neither here nor there. To win anything at football you need a squad and a happy squad at that. I am not moaning or ranting - but expressing an opinion which is currently contrary to the general feeling - but I am backing up my comments with evidence. Neither am I portraying everything as unredeemably black - I am accepting that Sven has lifted us up the table (though wondering whether other managers could have done just as well with similar financial backing), that Bamba is an inspired signing, that Yakubu started well, that Vassell has potential and Naughton is just a class act. Mee and Cunningham are also terrific at this level. It took a good management team to locate these players and get them here. It's also worth saying that there have been some stunningly good team performances.

However it is undeniable that we have been found wanting when faced with the best the Championship can offer. There have been some puzzling team selections - the common thread running through them being a tendency for Sven to favour loan players and his own signings over those here before. There are simply too many examples to deny and in any case Sven has explained the economic rationale behind his decisions in favour of loan players - that the more they play the cheaper the deal.

The players I feel most for are Waghorn and Weale. Of course I am not saying either are perfect or the finished article. But your clear belief that the loan players are naturally better is surely to put reputation before reality. If Sven was trying his utmost to undermine the confidence of the players I mention - he surely would not have acted differently. My comparison between Waghorn and Vassell - which you fail to mention in your return rant - is relevant. Waghorn has a better scoring record than Vassell both this season (when he has undoubtedly struggled for confidence) and last - when by common consent he was playing in a poorer team. Yet Vassell never loses his place, Waghorn is lucky to be sub and get ten minutes playing time. I regard this as a crying shame for a player who ran himself ragged in the cause of LCFC last season but whom most fans seem happy to dump at the first sign of an alternative with a bigger reputation.

The goalkeeping situation is comic but may have been the decisive factor in us losing our promotion momentum. Again, no-one would argue Weale is perfect, but he's been good enough at this level. The attempt to replace him with Kirkland was utterly shambolic. And as discussed, Ricado has proven to be little better. Weale is dropped after a man of the match performance, Ricado retained after costing us points.These events coupled with the loss of Hobbs and Fryatt (let us remind ourselves that Hull are currently above us in the table) and the recent replacement of another MOTM, Vitor, with Bruma last weekend, surely raise doubts about the ability of Sven to create a happy and effective squad. Good players, maybe. Better than we're used to. Perhaps. But united players?

Finally - Sven's divisive season may well come home to roost as the season ends, With no promotion, no play-off place even, the loanees will probably all return back to their former clubs (I don't know that but who can really deny that's the likely outcome?) he will indeed be building his own team in the summer but first he'll have to dispose of almost an entire squad who have been told indirectly, but in no uncertain terms, that their manager doesn't even rate them as good enough for the Championship.

[davieG]

I'll have one more go - though quite why I'm bothering I'm not so sure.

I believe, you're free to disagree with me, that Sven's preference for loan players over existing signed players has acted to the detriment of the team, team spirit, team cohesion and that whether they're better than the players we have is neither here nor there.

I didn't notice you or others saying this when Pearson had a lot of loanees in the team?

Kerrea Gilbert

Jack hobbs

David Martin, Mark Bunn, David Stockdale, Tony Warner

Mark Davies

Tom Cleverly

Wayne Brown

Astrit Ajdarevic

Loans in by Pearson last season

James Vaughan

Jay Spearing

Alex Bruce

Ryan McGivern

Martyn Waghorn

[21st Century Fox]

I didn't notice you or others saying this when Pearson had a lot of loanees in the team?

Kerrea Gilbert

Jack hobbs

David Martin, Mark Bunn, David Stockdale, Tony Warner

Mark Davies

Tom Cleverly

Wayne Brown

Astrit Ajdarevic

Loans in by Pearson last season

James Vaughan

Jay Spearing

Alex Bruce

Ryan McGivern

Martyn Waghorn

Selective Amnesia does seem to be pretty prevalent around here.

[MC Prussian]

I'll have one more go - though quite why I'm bothering I'm not so sure.

I believe, you're free to disagree with me, that Sven's preference for loan players over existing signed players has acted to the detriment of the team, team spirit, team cohesion and that whether they're better than the players we have is neither here nor there. To win anything at football you need a squad and a happy squad at that. I am not moaning or ranting - but expressing an opinion which is currently contrary to the general feeling - but I am backing up my comments with evidence. Neither am I portraying everything as unredeemably black - I am accepting that Sven has lifted us up the table (though wondering whether other managers could have done just as well with similar financial backing), that Bamba is an inspired signing, that Yakubu started well, that Vassell has potential and Naughton is just a class act. Mee and Cunningham are also terrific at this level. It took a good management team to locate these players and get them here. It's also worth saying that there have been some stunningly good team performances.

However it is undeniable that we have been found wanting when faced with the best the Championship can offer. There have been some puzzling team selections - the common thread running through them being a tendency for Sven to favour loan players and his own signings over those here before. There are simply too many examples to deny and in any case Sven has explained the economic rationale behind his decisions in favour of loan players - that the more they play the cheaper the deal.

The players I feel most for are Waghorn and Weale. Of course I am not saying either are perfect or the finished article. But your clear belief that the loan players are naturally better is surely to put reputation before reality. If Sven was trying his utmost to undermine the confidence of the players I mention - he surely would not have acted differently. My comparison between Waghorn and Vassell - which you fail to mention in your return rant - is relevant. Waghorn has a better scoring record than Vassell both this season (when he has undoubtedly struggled for confidence) and last - when by common consent he was playing in a poorer team. Yet Vassell never loses his place, Waghorn is lucky to be sub and get ten minutes playing time. I regard this as a crying shame for a player who ran himself ragged in the cause of LCFC last season but whom most fans seem happy to dump at the first sign of an alternative with a bigger reputation.

The goalkeeping situation is comic but may have been the decisive factor in us losing our promotion momentum. Again, no-one would argue Weale is perfect, but he's been good enough at this level. The attempt to replace him with Kirkland was utterly shambolic. And as discussed, Ricado has proven to be little better. Weale is dropped after a man of the match performance, Ricado retained after costing us points.These events coupled with the loss of Hobbs and Fryatt (let us remind ourselves that Hull are currently above us in the table) and the recent replacement of another MOTM, Vitor, with Bruma last weekend, surely raise doubts about the ability of Sven to create a happy and effective squad. Good players, maybe. Better than we're used to. Perhaps. But united players?

Finally - Sven's divisive season may well come home to roost as the season ends, With no promotion, no play-off place even, the loanees will probably all return back to their former clubs (I don't know that but who can really deny that's the likely outcome?) he will indeed be building his own team in the summer but first he'll have to dispose of almost an entire squad who have been told indirectly, but in no uncertain terms, that their manager doesn't even rate them as good enough for the Championship.

Jeez, is everything at your place as black as you paint our future? Are you on anti-depressants?

So Pearson didn't have his own preference in bringing in loan players to boost the squad when he was the manager? And we never had a blip in form under Pearson either?

Is Sven bad because he is Sven? Is that what you're trying to make everyone believe?

There's little flesh to your bone and you also have a tendency of bringing up points which are completely made up.

For instance, you claimed in an earlier post that Vassell failed to score for us, which was, to put it bluntly, quite a flunder on your behalf.

Only a few of the current loan players have it written into their contract that the more often they play, the cheaper the deal is for Leicester City.

This being the case for the two players on loan from Chelsea (Van Aanholt and Bruma).

And again, never did I state that our loan players are "naturally better", I said "maybe they're an improvement over what we had before". Once more, you're misquoting and bend my statement so that it floats your boat.

Same goes for saying that "Vassell never loses his place", which again is a false claim.

He has started a lot since coming on against Barnsley back last fall, but he has not started in every single game so far.

I say it one last time, the Weale vs. Ricardo debate is pointless for now, until the latter has got about the same amount of games played for this club.

Weale had a great game against Sheffield, but the numerous flops of his own that cost us points in the past should not be forgotten - this simply out of fairness in regards to Ricardo.

Or is your memory short-lived? There were up to five (!!) different goalkeepers in a Leicester shirt in the two seasons prior to Sven's tenure.

And what's so bad about benching bad players? What good are the likes of Howard, Oakley, Lamey, Crncic or Neilson to this team?

They're either old, past it, were a completely bad investment or never blossomed at all, not even under Pearson.

We have not lost our promotion momentum, the chance is still there. Every football team goes through cold spells - just look at Leeds or Forest.

Your knee-jerk reactions are ludicrous, and I ask you again if you'd give Sven a proper pre-season before slagging off his selections under the current circumstances (rocky start and all that).

[smudgerfox]

Oh my God!

I didn't say there was anything wrong with loan players per se. Yes Pearson loaned players - of course he did. It's not really worth discussing the league one season because that was very special circumstances. But I'm pretty sure without exception Vaughan, Waghorn, Bruce, McGivern and Spearing all started on the bench and had to force their way into the team. If anything the benefit of the doubt was given to the existing player and the new arrivals were made to feel they were reinforcements not replacements. I hope we can agree the current situation is very different.

Yes we had dips in form with Pearson and your point is?

FFS I'm not saying Sven is bad - I'm just pointing out an approach to team-building I disagree with and which makes me doubt whether Sven is the managerial genius we're constantly told he is. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it without being subjected to abuse. It's not as though I don't back up my opinions with evidence. I didn't mean that Vassell has literally never scored for us - that's obviously not true - but for a forward who has nearly always been selected to start when fit, his goal scoring record is disappointing bordering on poor.

On the loan players' contracts - it hardly matters how many it applies to. Sven seems perfectly happy to have Chelsea (effectively) making his selection decisions for him or is so desperate to bring in new players he accepts deals which favour Chelsea and the loanee. Whatever the details, the mere existence of these one-sided contracts hardly acts as an incentive to existing squad players.

Nowhere have I called for the return of Neilson, Crnic, Lamey, Howard or Oakley. The first three are completely sub standard (and always were), the last two no better than useful squad players. But the squad is important. Look at the way Sven had to grovel to Berner after Cunningham got injured. You may hold some of the fringe players in complete contempt but you may need them one day - so best to treat them with a modicum of respect.

And it's a bit disingenuous to say you didn't say the loan players were an improvement - if they weren't what are you arguing about.

Finally, your plea for more time for Ricardo is pathetic. Here we have a keeper who has played at the highest level. If he isn't obviously better than Chris Weale - then what is he doing at the club at all? To me the answer is clear:illustrating perfectly Sven's preference for reputation over Championship solidity. And as journeymen sides overtake us in the table - it's that judgement which is worth questioning.

[Bugg]

Sven is a shit manager. He is so tactically inept it's untrue.

SVEN OUT!

[MC Prussian]

Oh my God!

I didn't say there was anything wrong with loan players per se. Yes Pearson loaned players - of course he did. It's not really worth discussing the league one season because that was very special circumstances. But I'm pretty sure without exception Vaughan, Waghorn, Bruce, McGivern and Spearing all started on the bench and had to force their way into the team. If anything the benefit of the doubt was given to the existing player and the new arrivals were made to feel they were reinforcements not replacements. I hope we can agree the current situation is very different.

Yes we had dips in form with Pearson and your point is?

FFS I'm not saying Sven is bad - I'm just pointing out an approach to team-building I disagree with and which makes me doubt whether Sven is the managerial genius we're constantly told he is. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it without being subjected to abuse. It's not as though I don't back up my opinions with evidence. I didn't mean that Vassell has literally never scored for us - that's obviously not true - but for a forward who has nearly always been selected to start when fit, his goal scoring record is disappointing bordering on poor.

On the loan players' contracts - it hardly matters how many it applies to. Sven seems perfectly happy to have Chelsea (effectively) making his selection decisions for him or is so desperate to bring in new players he accepts deals which favour Chelsea and the loanee. Whatever the details, the mere existence of these one-sided contracts hardly acts as an incentive to existing squad players.

Nowhere have I called for the return of Neilson, Crnic, Lamey, Howard or Oakley. The first three are completely sub standard (and always were), the last two no better than useful squad players. But the squad is important. Look at the way Sven had to grovel to Berner after Cunningham got injured. You may hold some of the fringe players in complete contempt but you may need them one day - so best to treat them with a modicum of respect.

And it's a bit disingenuous to say you didn't say the loan players were an improvement - if they weren't what are you arguing about.

Finally, your plea for more time for Ricardo is pathetic. Here we have a keeper who has played at the highest level. If he isn't obviously better than Chris Weale - then what is he doing at the club at all? To me the answer is clear:illustrating perfectly Sven's preference for reputation over Championship solidity. And as journeymen sides overtake us in the table - it's that judgement which is worth questioning.

So, following your odd logic, this season is worth discussing, even though we've got special circumstances, too (a new manager appointed three months into the new campaign)?

Did you forget Bruce's blunder against Cardiff in the first leg of the playoff games last season? McGivern's abysmal performances at left-back? Vaughan's and Spearing's short stay with us? You think Vaughan was good whilst being with us?

And the current loanees are no reinforcements compared to the mediocre dross of the ones they've replaced? What's the matter with you? What is your point? You contradict yourself with every new statement!

What's your sour grapes with Vassell?

"...but for a forward who has nearly always been selected to start when fit, his goal scoring record is disappointing bordering on poor."

What the...??? You do know that he was miles away from being perfectly fit when he left Ankaragücü? Do you know how much effort he's put into getting back into shape? Did you follow his progress?

Just because he's oftentimes played out of his regular position (which does reflect his, as you put it, "poor" goalscoring record, which is actually as good as the one in Turkey or almost as good as the one for Manchester City!!) doesn't mean he's bad.

Then you twist and turn the Chelsea loan agreement in some kind of a obligation on behalf of Sven of having to play them at all means, because Chelsea wants him to? Are you even half-aware of what sort of wacky "conspiracy" you're writing about?

Eriksson doesn't work that way. The team sheets tell the tale. Have a look, it's all there.

And again you put false words into my mouth by still claiming I said what I in fact didn't say about the "improvement" bit.

I DID say they "may be" an improvement over what we've had before, yet you claim like I was completely convinced that they are!! How twisted are you?

We've had rough spells under Pearson, with his loanees and we managed. Just like we'll manage now - and Sven does know how to manage. You don't get to win the trophies he won by being crap at what you're doing.

Btw, how can you call Crncic "sub-standard" if you've never seen him play? The guy's never featured for us as far as I know and many even believe Crncic doesn't actually exist at all.

Jokes aside, just because I don't like most of the players we've got on the bench doesn't mean Sven doesn't know how to suck up to them. These are two completely different matters. Why do you mix them both?

How many games did you give Ricardo to convince you he's better than Weale? Half a game? You intentionally exclude Weale and his own weaknesses and focus on making one single man your sole scapegoat for the recent collective dip in form on the pitch.

How easy an excuse is that?

And yes, Ricardo needs as many games on this level as Weale has had in order for everyone being able to make a fair comparison between the two.

If Sven's really so keen on bringing in players solely based on reputation, why don't we have more of them? Or are our loanees all on contracts because their names sound flashy?

Lose the gripe, get a grip.

Oh, and where's that "evidence" you were talking about?

And will we ever find out what that "subtlety" is you've mentioned earlier?

[smudgerfox]

That's a special kind of brainlessness you got there - you should be on the telly

[21st Century Fox]

If a footballer can't handle being dropped, he probably shouldn't be a footballer. Also saying Sven had to grovel to Berner! Berner is the player and Sven the manager. Players play when picked, Managers manage and pick the team, just thought I'd clear that up.

[MC Prussian]

That's a special kind of brainlessness you got there - you should be on the telly

Ahh, I see. You're just being "subtle", right?

Just don't forget to pick up your evidence on the way out.

[Unit]

This thread shouldn't even be open. Sven is one of the best managers in the world, we will never, ever get a better manager; especially at this level.

Stupid thread.

[21st Century Fox]

Just don't forget to pick up your evidence on the way out.

[smudgerfox]

Ahh, I see. You're just being "subtle", right?

Just don't forget to pick up your evidence on the way out.

I'm sorry Prussian - but I am interested in having a debate about Sven's style and my reservations but you really are not even trying to understand my point of view. You're wilfully misrepresenting what I have said and re-interpreting it - just to make me look stupid. You''ve already hinted I'm a racist little Englander and that I wank over the Pearson squad so you're hardly in a position to complain about abuse. Your response and other responses to my comments - which are only opinions, and I accept they're not generally held,. could be summed up as follows

Sven is a great manager and we're lucky to have him

Therefore we should not criticise him as even the most inexplicable decisions are part of a grander scheme to which we mere mortals are not necessarily party

Pre-Sven we were crap and lucky to reach the play-offs with a set of players who are now all beneath us

Anyone who can't see his brilliance and how lucky we are to have him is a retard

Having a brilliant manager with brilliant players is a guarantee of success in the Championship

Next season - when he gets a close season to prepare watch us go!

Shut up!

[MC Prussian]

Sven is a great manager and we're lucky to have him.

(See, I even corrected some of your punctuation errors there! That's how nice I am.)

The rest of your post is just senseless drivel because you cannot come up with appropriate answers to my previous statements.

And you still cannot help yourself putting words in my mouth, and now even revert to accusing me of misrepresenting of what you've said!!

You really are one kind of a nutjob!

And you're the one talking about being interested in a "debate"??? Have a laugh!

You''ve already hinted I'm a racist little Englander and that I wank over the Pearson squad...

Oh, go ahead. You just proved my point.

[accessory]

Finally, your plea for more time for Ricardo is pathetic. Here we have a keeper who has played at the highest level. If he isn't obviously better than Chris Weale - then what is he doing at the club at all? To me the answer is clear:illustrating perfectly Sven's preference for reputation over Championship solidity. And as journeymen sides overtake us in the table - it's that judgement which is worth questioning.

But despite all the evidence of the past decade to indicate otherwise, there are plenty of posters who seem to think that managers can do NO wrong.

When Kelly, Holloway, Levein and others persisted with sub-standard "chosen men" to the detriment of the side, they were quite rightly slated. Why should the current manager be any different?

[Number 6]

Sven's tactics and team selection should certainly be questioned, no one is above that. But when you look at the bigger picture and what he has done in the short time he's had here then he's done a fantastic job.

I suppose Billy Davies is a cr*p manager too now then?

[MC Prussian]

But despite all the evidence of the past decade to indicate otherwise, there are plenty of posters who seem to think that managers can do NO wrong.

When Kelly, Holloway, Levein and others persisted with sub-standard "chosen men" to the detriment of the side, they were quite rightly slated. Why should the current manager be any different?

Who says Eriksson can do no wrong? Name and shame!*

Comparing Eriksson to Kelly (a caretaker), Holloway or Levein and comparing the type of players we've got right now compared to the mediocre signings back then?

You do remember where we finished in the years between 2004 and 2008 in the table, don't you? 15th, 16th, 19th and finally 22nd!

Are you and smudgerfox related or both living in a closed community? Is there a Collective Amnesia bug going 'round? Or is there a nest somewhere?

I'd really like to use my Bunsen burner at one point to prevent the rabies from spreading.

*But only by quoting specific posts

[Haydos]

Sven's tactics and team selection should certainly be questioned, no one is above that. But when you look at the bigger picture and what he has done in the short time he's had here then he's done a fantastic job.

Bit too sensible there mate, careful.

[Number 6]

Apologies for multiple posts, damn phone.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

This thread shouldn't even be open. Sven is one of the best managers in the world, we will never, ever get a better manager; especially at this level.

Stupid thread.

more some of the responses than the topic!

[gazzer]

what's dagenham dave posting as these days?

[Webbo]

what's dagenham dave posting as these days?

Mawsley, but not on here.