21st Century Fox Posted 21 March 2011 Posted 21 March 2011 We currently lack all this, I'm afraid Are you comparing the state of the squad now to when Sousa left????!!!!
Babylon Posted 21 March 2011 Posted 21 March 2011 We currently lack all this, I'm afraid No, we've lost a few games... get over it, it happens.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 21 March 2011 Posted 21 March 2011 Are you comparing the state of the squad now to when Sousa left????!!!! we ARE unfit. its plain to see
smudgerfox Posted 21 March 2011 Posted 21 March 2011 Let's change tack slightly - a common theme among the Sven ra-ra team is that a) he's not had a close season to build a team and bring in the players he wants b) he's only been able to bring in loan players Both are true of course, but are they significant? a) Despite his huge international footballing reputation which seems to be taken as read on here, he's managed to convince two players to sign on the dotted line. To my eyes Bamba looks great value for money and a briliiant addition, Vassell is clearly a classy player but can we really afford a non-scoring forward? You'd have to say the jury is out on whether Sven's reputation has really opened the door to a new calibre of player or whether he and his team can scout a better type of player. I'm not saying he won't massively overhaul the squad with an unprecedented injection of class and Premiership pedigree in the summer, but on the evidence of what we've seen you really can't be anything like certain that will happen. b) Only loan players! He has been backed in the loan market to a greater extent than any Championship manager - and every player he has loaned has come from a higher class of football. Every one will be expensive in terms of wages and it would now appear we have to play them as often as possible to get anything like value for money from them. So goodbye squad solidarity - hello the Man City approach to team-building. UNQUALIFIED SUCCESSES:Naughton, Cunningham, Mee JURY OUT: Yakubu, Bruma, Van Anholt DISASTER:Ricardo, Kirkland And now Kamara - who will doubtless go straight into the team and push Waghorn still further down the pecking order It's hardly the sign of a brilliant manager shining at a lesser level to that which he's used to.
m00nie Posted 21 March 2011 Posted 21 March 2011 Ok, so let's see who we played under Sousa:1.Crystal Palace (L; strong home record), 2.Boro (D, decent performance, failed to score), 3.Burnley (L; strong home record, currently above us),4. Reading (L; still then with Gylfi Siggurdsson - class!, currently above us), 5.Covscum (D, Sven?), 6.Cardiff (W; great performance), 7.QPR (L; who?, Sven ), 8.Pompey (L; shambolic defense, but also bad luck, again Sven ) , 9.Norwich (L, quite decent but again unlucky result, Sven ). Frankly, it was a tough start to the season for any other manager (Eriksson, Pearson, anyone) ... But a common myth is that we lost this season in the first 9 matches... we was coming to some understanding in this thread but you seem to be taking us backwards...
Babylon Posted 21 March 2011 Posted 21 March 2011 sorry? what? Work it out yourself... or make something up, you're good at that.
Babylon Posted 21 March 2011 Posted 21 March 2011 we was coming to some understanding in this thread but you seem to be taking us backwards... I think i'll give this thread a miss from now on, it's too much like hard work.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 21 March 2011 Posted 21 March 2011 Work it out yourself... or make something up, you're good at that. ok big man let your little eyes deceive you for a bit longer
21st Century Fox Posted 21 March 2011 Posted 21 March 2011 I think i'll give this thread a miss from now on, it's too much like hard work. Snap! Why do I bite everytime!
AlphaMaleFox Posted 21 March 2011 Posted 21 March 2011 Are you comparing the state of the squad now to when Sousa left????!!!! How much has changed? Defense that can not defend, the forwards who can not finish...
shailen Posted 21 March 2011 Posted 21 March 2011 How much has changed? Defense that can not defend, the forwards who can not finish... Are you serious? We are ten times better now then we were under sousa. Dont let our recent form delude you, we are much better defensively ( still room for improvement) and our midfield looks really good IMO. If we have not changed since sousa we would be where preston are right now !
MC Prussian Posted 22 March 2011 Posted 22 March 2011 Let's change tack slightly - a common theme among the Sven ra-ra team is that a) he's not had a close season to build a team and bring in the players he wants b) he's only been able to bring in loan players Both are true of course, but are they significant? a) Despite his huge international footballing reputation which seems to be taken as read on here, he's managed to convince two players to sign on the dotted line. To my eyes Bamba looks great value for money and a briliiant addition, Vassell is clearly a classy player but can we really afford a non-scoring forward? You'd have to say the jury is out on whether Sven's reputation has really opened the door to a new calibre of player or whether he and his team can scout a better type of player. I'm not saying he won't massively overhaul the squad with an unprecedented injection of class and Premiership pedigree in the summer, but on the evidence of what we've seen you really can't be anything like certain that will happen. b) Only loan players! He has been backed in the loan market to a greater extent than any Championship manager - and every player he has loaned has come from a higher class of football. Every one will be expensive in terms of wages and it would now appear we have to play them as often as possible to get anything like value for money from them. So goodbye squad solidarity - hello the Man City approach to team-building. UNQUALIFIED SUCCESSES:Naughton, Cunningham, Mee JURY OUT: Yakubu, Bruma, Van Anholt DISASTER:Ricardo, Kirkland And now Kamara - who will doubtless go straight into the team and push Waghorn still further down the pecking order It's hardly the sign of a brilliant manager shining at a lesser level to that which he's used to. For the umptieth time: Yes, it is both important and significant to note that Sven has had less time to prep a team in accordance with his own style. This team has had less time to gel together (and still lacks cohesion at times) compared to other top sides in this division. What's bad about the loan players that we have? It's a fact that they have less time to fit in into an already-existing system, take longer time to settle and very often, they don't care a single bit about the club they're loaned to. But don't you think that with the loan players that we've had so far, it's been a rather successful turnaround? If I remember correctly, Van Aanholt for instance once stated he knew nothing about Leicester City and didn't want to join us initially. You look at the games he's played so far and he's been doing rather well. I also remember someone saying at yesterday's phone-in that we've ended up with "Premiership rejects". How stupendous is that? With the exception of Yakubu, who's also still only 28, they're mostly young players who need match practice to prove themselves to their parent club. But the majority of players we've gotten so far have also helped us raise from the ashes quite a bit. You think Yakubu's goals so far or Naughton's were all for nothing? Why do I think is point b) about Eriksson totally wrong? How many games do you follow the team or can't you see that you state yourself in your own post that Sven brought in Bamba, Vassell or Ricardo on a permanent? What kind of a counter-opinion is that? What are you trying to say? Nothing? You contradict yourself in your very own post. You also fail to mention that Vassell can score and that he has already scored for us. But for some strange reason, you either forgot about this or excluded this fact from your theory on purpose. Labeling Ricardo a disaster? As someone else in another thread has put it, he's let in exactly the same number of goals in the games that he started than Weale in the 8 games before Ricardo was made Number One. Both keepers have their weak spots, or how come you fail to bring up Weale's problems with shots from distance (e.g. his own positioning)? As for Kamara, the guy's known for his speed and agility, with a decent scoring record at the top level and who says he won't start alongside Waghorn up front? Yakubu might just as well be given a rest. Why already criticizing a player before he's even started once for us? What's the logic behind that? Why all this negativity towards loan players or the loan system? It's a system to be exploited, and that's what Sven is doing. Let's say Sven had signed more players on a permanent - if they performed badly, would you slate them as much as the current loanees? Don't you think it would've been by far more dangerous to proceed with such an approach? Imagine being stuck with bad permanent signings or having to pay them out of their contract. Every player has his off-days, irrespective of his contract situation. Posters like you with your personal issues and knee-jerk reactions to Sven and his signings are a mirror of a minority of closet racist fans in the stands who have nothing better to do than to moan week in, week out about what they perceive as a lack of "Britishness" at the club. It's become a bit obvious to me as a kind of a reoccurring theme in negative reactions that there's quite a few odd Leicester fans who think that English (or British) players and managers are inherently miles better than everything foreign. Wanking off to names like Waghorn, Weale, King or Wellens which is also a very narrow view of life in football and also exemplary of a specific type of prejudice. You lack faith and commitment and troll on about times past, the glory years and whatnot. That was in the past, focus on the present. And the future that lies ahead of us and (maybe) try to see things a bit more realistic. And what's wrong about the Manchester City approach to football? They're currently fourth in the Premier League. Do you prefer sitting in 11th in the Championship? You wouldn't want to swap places with them? Yeah, right.
Lancsfox Posted 22 March 2011 Posted 22 March 2011 Top post Prussian, how can people slag Sven when he has turned our season from disaster at no 24 to pushing for playoffs, what most people forget is that the team has had to play under three different managers all with different styles, the winning team of 2009/2010 could not play under sousa, but they are playing under Sven , Sven is bringing in players that others would struggle to attract, yes they may not be first team choices at their respective clubs, but not many want to drop a league when they are on a prem teams books, unless they are youngsters. Why is there always bloody moaners that slag off at the first sign of a dip in form, if we didn't have a dip in form then we would win everything and just think how boring that would be, you'd have to complain about the pies.
davieG Posted 22 March 2011 Posted 22 March 2011 It's not like Sven's doing anything out of the ordinary with his loans is it Loans by Pearson first season Kerrea Gilbert Jack hobbs David Martin, Mark Bunn, David Stockdale, Tony Warner Mark Davies Tom Cleverly Wayne Brown Astrit Ajdarevic Loans in by Pearson last season James Vaughan Jay Spearing Alex Bruce Ryan McGivern Martyn Waghorn
Houdini Logic Posted 22 March 2011 Posted 22 March 2011 It's not like Sven's doing anything out of the ordinary with his loans is it Loans by Pearson first season Kerrea Gilbert Jack hobbs David Martin, Mark Bunn, David Stockdale, Tony Warner Mark Davies Tom Cleverly Wayne Brown Astrit Ajdarevic Loans in by Pearson last season James Vaughan Jay Spearing Alex Bruce Ryan McGivern Martyn Waghorn Anyone remember all the times Pearson decided to play McGivern over (an in form) Berner? Nope? Conveniently forgotten?
Guest Bilo Posted 22 March 2011 Posted 22 March 2011 Seem to remember a few people bemoaning Pearson's lack of passion as well......
Babylon Posted 22 March 2011 Posted 22 March 2011 Seem to remember a few people bemoaning Pearson's lack of passion as well...... I believe it's spelt "Pashun".
hackneyfox Posted 22 March 2011 Posted 22 March 2011 DISASTER:Ricardo, Kirkland But Sven sent him Kirkland back, and it is your opinion that Ricardo is a disaster it is not a fact And now Kamara - who will doubtless go straight into the team and push Waghorn still further down the pecking order Good, Waghorn is poor this season and needs replacing. It's hardly the sign of a brilliant manager shining at a lesser level to that which he's used to.
Corky Posted 22 March 2011 Posted 22 March 2011 Seem to remember a few people bemoaning Pearson's lack of passion as well...... And his dreadful anti-football.
Walshy5 Posted 22 March 2011 Posted 22 March 2011 Anyone remember all the times Pearson decided to play McGivern over (an in form) Berner? Nope? Conveniently forgotten? McGivern only ever played when berner was injured
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