Racism within LCFC Fans

[Cat Burger]

Cat burger- if you want to get cocky about intelligence you're picking on the wrong bloke. Just because i'm no leftie doesn't make me thick!

How is it racist? Pathetic left loving people like yourself need to get a grip.

Apart from the fact the song isn't strictly accurate, its no more racist than if we sang about jocks eating haggis. Sorry, perhaps I shouldn't have used the word jock, as it may offfend you.

Get a grip.

If you wish to put me in a box I'll go down as a non-religious humanist. I just wish to get on with my life and be treated equally regardless of the fact that I am white working class. I treat all people I meet (or have never even met) the same way. I never generalise when discussing an individual from a certain ethnic or social group, because every person is different.

There's not really much to that mantra. People who follow the basics of equality are alright - that's it.

Then there are the backwards cavemen...

[dave the caveman]

Practically everything you've said in all of your posts is mis-informed.

Responding to gesturing is fine, but when you add words like 'wog' into the mix, that turns it into racism. I'm not sure why you cant understand that. Do you know what racism is? And to say, 'we're English, we banter', where did you get that from? The English are renowned for the stiff upper lip and the raising above the gutter talk. In no historical stereotype of the English anywhere will you find what you refer to.

Referencing Switzerland was an odd choice of country due to their Nazi links but as i've previoulsy said, you dont seem to be particularly clued up about, well anything so I wouldnt expect you to know that.

Banter is a widely observed part of British culture. Have you ever been to a football match? Have you ever been to a pub? Have you ever been anywhere? The notion of a stiff upper lip is, at best, decades old and in any case was only ever very thinly applicable.

Yes I know what racism is. I appreciate the the word 'wog' does throw up some particularly negative connotations but I chose to ignore the specifics in light of the fact that someone else who was on the bus at the time has said he heard nothing of the sort. My comments are aimed less at this specific issue and more at how racism is handled by society in general.

Even so, there is no official stance on the word 'wog' that we all must conform to, so as far as me being mis-informed, well no, we just have differing opinions. My comments about Switzerland were not serious and were based on personal experience of having met numerous Swiss folks during the course of my career. I'm sorry, but I did not for one moment consider events that happened nearly a century ago when making that comment. I will certainly endeavour to complete full historical research before posting country specific comments on this forum again.

I've distorted my own point now because i've been drawn into attacking people somewhat personally, but essentially what I'm trying to say is that we will always take the mickey out of each others differences. Like the ginger guy or the fat guy or the guy with glasses or the guy with a bald patch. We don't go making public policies to protect the auburn crowd from their brown haired counterparts, do we? So why should race be any different?

The answer to that, for many people, seems to stem from the idea that white people are the only race powerful enough to be racist. Go and watch Chris Rock. He takes the piss out of white people in every stand up set he does. Is it offensive? No. So why is it that when a white person takes the piss out of a black person, suddenly lots of other white people jump in and pretend to be offended on the black persons behalf?

Because those people think that white people are the only race powerful enough to be racist. THEY are the true racists.

Feel free to disagree, i may be completely wrong, but I don't think I am.

[Finnegan]

Whitey's got a lot to answer for.

[Houdini Logic]

Banter is a widely observed part of British culture.

So was slavery, sexism, capital punishment and ripping apart defenceless animals until not so long ago

[21st Century Fox]

Banter is a widely observed part of British culture. Have you ever been to a football match? Have you ever been to a pub? Have you ever been anywhere? The notion of a stiff upper lip is, at best, decades old and in any case was only ever very thinly applicable.

Yes I know what racism is. I appreciate the the word 'wog' does throw up some particularly negative connotations but I chose to ignore the specifics in light of the fact that someone else who was on the bus at the time has said he heard nothing of the sort. My comments are aimed less at this specific issue and more at how racism is handled by society in general.

Even so, there is no official stance on the word 'wog' that we all must conform to, so as far as me being mis-informed, well no, we just have differing opinions. My comments about Switzerland were not serious and were based on personal experience of having met numerous Swiss folks during the course of my career. I'm sorry, but I did not for one moment consider events that happened nearly a century ago when making that comment. I will certainly endeavour to complete full historical research before posting country specific comments on this forum again.

I've distorted my own point now because i've been drawn into attacking people somewhat personally, but essentially what I'm trying to say is that we will always take the mickey out of each others differences. Like the ginger guy or the fat guy or the guy with glasses or the guy with a bald patch. We don't go making public policies to protect the auburn crowd from their brown haired counterparts, do we? So why should race be any different?

The answer to that, for many people, seems to stem from the idea that white people are the only race powerful enough to be racist. Go and watch Chris Rock. He takes the piss out of white people in every stand up set he does. Is it offensive? No. So why is it that when a white person takes the piss out of a black person, suddenly lots of other white people jump in and pretend to be offended on the black persons behalf?

Because those people think that white people are the only race powerful enough to be racist. THEY are the true racists.

Feel free to disagree, i may be completely wrong, but I don't think I am.

In all fairness to you I see where you're coming from and I'll admit its not from a malicious place.

No one is arguing that its only White people capable of racism.

The point is the hand gestures the asian guys were making almost certainly didn't have any racist connotations to them but were met with racist abuse. That isn't banter. That isn't a fair exchange of friendly, harmless 'insults'. You may find the term 'wog' harmless but unfortunately society dictates that it is harmful and harks back to a race specific insult. The word may mean something totally different to you but again you are I'm assuming looking at it from a white perspective so you aren't really at liberty to dictate who finds it offensive and as a member of society should adhere to that. Again thats nothing to do with political correctness its just common decency.

As long as we live in an era where race is prevalent enough for parties like the BNP to even exist, race is different. Its not a level playing field.

[Guest Bilo]

Just to cheer up a few people on here.

[Bettsj2]

Banter is a widely observed part of British culture. Have you ever been to a football match? Have you ever been to a pub? Have you ever been anywhere? The notion of a stiff upper lip is, at best, decades old and in any case was only ever very thinly applicable.

Yes I know what racism is. I appreciate the the word 'wog' does throw up some particularly negative connotations but I chose to ignore the specifics in light of the fact that someone else who was on the bus at the time has said he heard nothing of the sort. My comments are aimed less at this specific issue and more at how racism is handled by society in general.

Even so, there is no official stance on the word 'wog' that we all must conform to, so as far as me being mis-informed, well no, we just have differing opinions. My comments about Switzerland were not serious and were based on personal experience of having met numerous Swiss folks during the course of my career. I'm sorry, but I did not for one moment consider events that happened nearly a century ago when making that comment. I will certainly endeavour to complete full historical research before posting country specific comments on this forum again.

I've distorted my own point now because i've been drawn into attacking people somewhat personally, but essentially what I'm trying to say is that we will always take the mickey out of each others differences. Like the ginger guy or the fat guy or the guy with glasses or the guy with a bald patch. We don't go making public policies to protect the auburn crowd from their brown haired counterparts, do we? So why should race be any different?

The answer to that, for many people, seems to stem from the idea that white people are the only race powerful enough to be racist. Go and watch Chris Rock. He takes the piss out of white people in every stand up set he does. Is it offensive? No. So why is it that when a white person takes the piss out of a black person, suddenly lots of other white people jump in and pretend to be offended on the black persons behalf?

Because those people think that white people are the only race powerful enough to be racist. THEY are the true racists.

Feel free to disagree, i may be completely wrong, but I don't think I am.

The fact that you feel justified in what you say is quite a sad indication of how society is. I go to the pub all the time and go to home and away games all the time. Banter is fine, i'm not saying it isn't. What i'm saying is that bringing race into banter moves it from being banter into being racist. When i'm at the pub or at the match and pissing about with my mates, sometimes the language is curt but at no point does anybody feel the need to bring race into it.

Comparing racist comments to comments on someone's hair colour shows a complete misunderstanding of what racism is. If you dont know or understand that in this day and age then you probably never will

[acooling08]

The fact that you feel justified in what you say is quite a sad indication of how society is. I go to the pub all the time and go to home and away games all the time. Banter is fine, i'm not saying it isn't. What i'm saying is that bringing race into banter moves it from being banter into being racist. When i'm at the pub or at the match and pissing about with my mates, sometimes the language is curt but at no point does anybody feel the need to bring race into it.

Comparing racist comments to comments on someone's hair colour shows a complete misunderstanding of what racism is. If you dont know or understand that in this day and age then you probably never will

Hypothetically how is 'You black twat' any worse than 'You ginger twat' or 'You 4-eyed twat'? It isn't imo.

[BoneDog]

I'm fu*%in starvin after reading this thread.

Might nip over the woods and make a Hedgehog and Pigeon kebab.

[Larry_LCFC]

Just to cheer up a few people on here.

That musical is immense Cant beat "the internet is for porn" song though.

[Finchy]

Hypothetically how is 'You black twat' any worse than 'You ginger twat' or 'You 4-eyed twat'? It isn't imo.

This thread and what you've said reminds me of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i91KQs12-q4

[Finnegan]

Hypothetically how is 'You black twat' any worse than 'You ginger twat' or 'You 4-eyed twat'? It isn't imo.

Jesus fucking Christ.

[L1HT]

Aside from the incident, the people that are now talking about white racism when any banter is involved are the middle class white people I see all the time ruining this country by tip toeing around no whites.

Go and work in a school and see how black v black talk to each other, or black v asian, but then see how White v non white is treated differently.

By changing the rules of 'banter' for which colour you are only keeps this country divided over race and angers the white people who are not allowed to act in the same way to certain people.

[Finnegan]

Yeah man, poor white people aren't allowed to say "niggers" but the pampered, getting-it-all-easy black people are.

Maaaan, we took them out of their dirty jungles, gave them free lodging and food for a few simple chores and this is how they repay us!?

[The Year Of The Fox]

Great point L1Ht

[21st Century Fox]

Aside from the incident, the people that are now talking about white racism when any banter is involved are the middle class white people I see all the time ruining this country by tip toeing around no whites.

Go and work in a school and see how black v black talk to each other, or black v asian, but then see how White v non white is treated differently.

By changing the rules of 'banter' for which colour you are only keeps this country divided over race and angers the white people who are not allowed to act in the same way to certain people.

What difference does it make how 'they' talk to each other? How often do you ever make reference to your white friends skin colour, stereotypical characteristics etc. during 'banter'? Why are so many white people so desperate to be able feel comfortable when using racist remarks?

Yes not being able to call someone what you want based on they're skin colour is what keeps this country divided, it has nothing to do with the fact that we still live in an era where morons are easily influenced by scaremongering, right wing media and turn against the mysterious, foreigners from the east with they're beards and secret languages and then manage to divide communities by voting for parties like the BNP.

So the OP is just being precious and doesn't have the right to be offended?

[lestajigs]

Are whites the minority in Leicester yet??????

[Haydos]

Hypothetically how is 'You black twat' any worse than 'You ginger twat' or 'You 4-eyed twat'? It isn't imo.

Suppose you're right...I mean, the Gingers did have it rough when they were segregated and discriminated against and that time when everyone wearing glasses was sold to non glasses wearers must have been really tough on them.

[dave the caveman]

So the OP is just being precious and doesn't have the right to be offended?

He has the right to be as offended as he wants.

But I can't see any reason why he would be any more offended than if he was ginger haired and the guys on the Leicester bus were taking the piss out of someone else with ginger hair.

It's not about being allowed to make racist comments, it's about accepting that this kind of casual racism, regardless of how narrow minded and idiotic it may be, just isn't particularly offensive. It's no more or less offensive than any other appearance based insult.

When non-white people make casually racist remarks about white people it is regarded as not serious and rightly so, yet when the roles are reversed, suddenly it's evil.

Makes no sense. The white apologists almost seem to think that casual racism is a uniqely white trait, which is just laughable to anyone who actually interacts with non white people on a regular basis. I assumed this would be just about everyone on this forum. Obviously I assumed wrong.

[Fosse Boy]

Are whites the minority in Leicester yet??????

Does it matter?

[The Year Of The Fox]

Lestajigs-i think officially we are, yes.

As for the poster talking about gingers being segragated- obviously the segregation and treatment of blacks was wrong but we cant go on apologising forever. Nows the time to move on and not try treating any race differentley to the others.some have a tendancy to try and integrate other races and give them priority- for want of a better word- as if its down to them to make up for what happened in the past. yet these people create a bigger divide. For instance- is it right that there is an 'association of black police officers' ? Theres nothing wrong with that, but why then isn't there an association of white police officers? Wheres the 'equality' in that?

On 5live the other day they were talking about the fact that there are (tho ince has just quit) only 2 black managers in the football leagues. WHY should that matter to anyone at all? Should a team recruit a black manager just to up that statistic? NO! A black manager or any manager for that matter is chosen on his credentials and suitability for a job. Why do people feel the need to report such statistics when its not even an issue? (Dont call me racist for the above remarks, I wouldve been very happy had powell become our permanent manager)

[RumbleFox]

Wowee, some right little racists on here eh? Ashamed to be associated with some of you.

You cannot even think of making comparisons between making ginger* comments and making racially motivated comments. As a fellow poster pointed out, I don't recall people being persecuted, enslaved and murdered because they happened to be ginger. It is the CONNOTATION of many of these racist terms that makes them so dangerous. I am not saying we all have to apologise for our ancestors' actions but we do have to be AWARE of them and understand why certain terms are so hurtful. I find it funny that some of you are so vehement in your arguments as to why you should be allowed to partake in a bit of "harmless" racist "banter". Some of you are saying "Hey, how come I can't make fun o' the little black fellas anymore? This is political correctness gone mad!". Really? You really want to waste your efforts on supporting the battle to let us insult one another? Really? To any of you that do, can I ask that next time you are alone and have time to think that you sit down and think to yourselves "Do I really feel so angry that I can't say "Paki anymore? Am I really such moronic a person that I want to crusade against anyone who says I can't be racially insulting?"

Anyway, just wanted to put my two penneth in. The fact that some of you even THINK that we should be allowed to use such terms as harmless banter makes me very, very sad indeed. Also, at the risk of incurring the wrath of many of you, I genuinely feel that we should have a vote - "Who thinks racist banter is fine and dandy if it's ya know, "Just a laugh" 'n' that?". Anyone who votes that it's OK should be removed from the forum! (OK, so maybe too far but it just gets my goat).

Thanks all.

Rumble.

X

* May I just note that I think making any comments based upon someone's physical appearance is pretty out of order. Whilst I do believe there is a big difference between ginger or glasses comments and racism I still think it's pretty low to insult people based on looks and do not do it myself (I am fortunate enough to be so God damn handsome that obviously I have never been on the receiving end but still feel your pain).

[Haydos]

Lestajigs-i think officially we are, yes.

As for the poster talking about gingers being segragated- obviously the segregation and treatment of blacks was wrong but we cant go on apologising forever. Nows the time to move on and not try treating any race differentley to the others.some have a tendancy to try and integrate other races and give them priority- for want of a better word- as if its down to them to make up for what happened in the past. yet these people create a bigger divide. For instance- is it right that there is an 'association of black police officers' ? Theres nothing wrong with that, but why then isn't there an association of white police officers? Wheres the 'equality' in that?

On 5live the other day they were talking about the fact that there are (tho ince has just quit) only 2 black managers in the football leagues. WHY should that matter to anyone at all? Should a team recruit a black manager just to up that statistic? NO! A black manager or any manager for that matter is chosen on his credentials and suitability for a job. Why do people feel the need to report such statistics when its not even an issue? (Dont call me racist for the above remarks, I wouldve been very happy had powell become our permanent manager)

I've always been annoyed with the political correctness of things like 'few black managers'. Alright there really are a small amount but blacks ARE still minority and despite the number only being 1 or 2, a low figure should be expected.

Couple this with the fact that racism was still rife only 20 years ago and you will see that now it is less common it would not be surprising for more young black mangers to come through in this or the next generation. Powell and Ince are new to the trade and this is not coincidence.

As for your point about apologising for the treatment of blacks, I kind of understand what you are saying and I do dislike the issue some people make out of tiny things (See: Prussian's misguided accusations of our racist referee at the weekend "He didn't book any white players despite 7 out of 10 of our outfield being black") but that was not my point. I was just surprised and annoyed at the level of ignorance in that quote, comparing discrimination of blacks and gingers. People shouldn't be apologising but they should realise this is in no way the same.

[21st Century Fox]

The point I keep trying to stress is WHY were non-racist hand gestures met with race related remarks? It wasn't called for, it wasn't "an eye for an eye". In a perfect world, yes there would be no racism at all, in a not so perfect world you could make a jibe at someones race and it would be water off a ducks back but we don't even live in that world. Ginger people aren't marginalised because of they're hair, people with glasses aren't gunned for by political parties, unfortunately race is, even sexuality still is. Its NOTHING to do with apologising for past discretions by people we share little or no moral or social standards with anymore.

Why is there even a problem with having an 'Association of Black Officers'? What are they doing thats detrimental to other races? Quite obviously they have an association because they're in the minority and by grouping together have more chance to have their voice heard on issues that affect them. Why have unions at all?

I don't think the point of the black manager issue is saying they should be employed because they're black. its more to do with looking to see if there's a root cause as to why they're aren't many black managers. No ones saying they should be given an unfair advantage to get jobs but asking are they being given a fair chance to even get into management in the first place. It was only 1978 since we had the first Black player represent England, which when you really think about it is fairly slow progress.

[The Year Of The Fox]

The problem with having an association of black police officers is that it segregates 'them' further. I know im not the only person that gets wound up at this equality issue. Purely because equality in britain basically means making sure we do not upset any race or religion at the detriment of white english or british.

There may be a root cause regarding black managers, but in other jobs in the country, its pretty much expected that firms are looking to employ more minorities. I haven't a problem with that but only if theyre the best person for the job.

I wanted to join the police force a couple of years ago, and after speaking to a family friend who is in leicestershires force, he told me that unless you are either female, or black or of another race/religion, I havent really got a chance. He wasnt being racist saying that, I know hes not racist, but how is that fair, to anyone? I wouldve been a good copper im sure, but maybe some of those who did get in ahead of me would feel pretty peeved off if they were told they got the job,not because they were good, but because they were non white?