21st Century Fox Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 It doesn't segregate them, it isn't a members only club its a union to use as a voice on issues that affect them! Why isn't there a white officers association... because they're the majority they have the loudest voice anyway. You were misinformed then, because they don't actively employ one race over another but they do actively try to get more ethnic minorities into positions to match the growing ethnic communities they are policing. You probably should have given it ago instead of listening to that, you had nothing to lose.
Dom_Harborough Fox Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 Are whites the minority in Leicester yet?????? According to 2006 figures (the latest I could find), 62% of Leicester's population was white then. This was compared to 63.9% in 2001 so in 5 years the white population fell by 1.9%. Judging by those figures I find it highly unlikely that white people are the minority in Leicester now. edit: for clarity, I should point out that the 2001 figure was from the national census while the 2006 was an estimate, but you get the jist...
Guest Bilo Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 Nope, it's balls mate. I'd be very surprised if the percentage of white British people in Leicester dropped below 60% when the 2011 census results are published. Go to Eyres Monsell and several other council estates and they tend to be very white. The only places I can think of where there might be a White British minority are the Golden Mile and, to a lesser extent because of all the students, the area around Narborough Road.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 It doesn't segregate them, it isn't a members only club its a union to use as a voice on issues that affect them! Why isn't there a white officers association... because they're the majority they have the loudest voice anyway. You were misinformed then, because they don't actively employ one race over another but they do actively try to get more ethnic minorities into positions to match the growing ethnic communities they are policing. You probably should have given it ago instead of listening to that, you had nothing to lose. I did try, and failed! Thats what really got my back up as I believe I was more than qualified to become an officer. Maybe I was misinformed, but perhaps at the time of speaking to him, they were having a huge push on getting minorities into the force, so perhaps he was correct. Regardless of whether its similar to a union or not, maybe if all races had an association, made up of equal numbers, then that would be fairer.
Guest Bilo Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 On the black manager point, 1 or 2 in the Football League would be proportionate if the number of black players reflected that statistic but it doesn't does it? Look at our team for starters. Yakubu, Kamara, Bamba, Naughton, van Aanholt, Vassell and Bruma all started for us on Saturday. 7 out of 11 of our starting line-up either black or mixed race, and while we represent a higher proportion than most clubs the fact is that black players in the game far outweigh the proportion of black people in society. This isn't just true in football but across a number of sports. So where do these black people go when they stop playing? Why do so few of them become managers? You can't tell me that black former players, as a whole, want to become football managers less than a white retiree. Yet so few make the step to become managers and I think we should be asking why that is the case in our national game. Could it be that some chairmen are reluctant to give a black man a mangerial position? If so, where does this reluctance come from? The board, the players, the fans, the sponsors or AN Other? When the number of black managers reflect the number of black players, we can stop asking these questions.
Dom_Harborough Fox Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 Really annoys me when people start bandying things like "whites are in the minority in Leicester now" about & then proceed to have a rant on the basis of that 'fact'. I'm not going to bang on too much about it now but I think, as a general rule, people should make sure they know what they are talking about before they start making their opinions known. Everyone should be entitled to their opinion whether others agree with it or not but an ill-informed opinion can often do a lot of damage. Just to point out, this is not aimed at you lestajigs, you only asked after all.
muzzy1981 Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 In my experience the majority of people I have met who are racist or have racist tendencies (laugh at racist jokes) are people who are devoid of adventure and are generally scared of trying new things, which generally means they have never left the village (City/town) or very rarely. I like to call them NLTVs. (A holiday to Greece doesn't count). Unfortunately some football fans unfortunately drop into this NLTV category, but we have to realise these people are boring, stupid and unadventourous so have to rise above it. I think it is great that you have bought this to peoples attention on the forum, better communications can only seek to educate more people about the world we live in.
Finnegan Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 To be fair, what was the ratio of black / white players while most current managers were playing? That's the more relevant stat.
Guest Bilo Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 To be fair, what was the ratio of black / white players while most current managers were playing? That's the more relevant stat. Fair, but even in the era when Paul Ince and Chris Powell were at their peak, I'd wager the ratio was a damn sighter than 1 in every 46 players. Or 1 in every 92 as it has become since Ince was sacked.
Houdini Logic Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 Nope, it's balls mate. I'd be very surprised if the percentage of white British people in Leicester dropped below 60% when the 2011 census results are published. No need to wait for the census - just go round the estates and take a straw poll of the number of nissan bluebirds vs ford escorts
Guest Bilo Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 :laugh: :laugh: Most Bluebirds are off the roads now, so you can't do that. The crafty bastards.
dave the caveman Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 So where do these black people go when they stop playing? Why do so few of them become managers? You can't tell me that black former players, as a whole, want to become football managers less than a white retiree. Yet so few make the step to become managers and I think we should be asking why that is the case in our national game. Could it be that some chairmen are reluctant to give a black man a mangerial position? If so, where does this reluctance come from? The board, the players, the fans, the sponsors or AN Other? Yeah must be racist white people. That's the automatic go-to in my book. There's no other explanation. How I'd love to give some of you guys a copy of The Bell Curve and just watch you explode in pseudo anti racist anger over the unfairness of reality. "HOW CAN IT BE! GENETIC DIFFERENCES!? NO! WE ALL KNOW ONLY WHITE PEOPLE HAVE THE POWER TO DETERMINE THE SUCCESS OF ANOTHER RACE!!!"
Guest Bilo Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/31/black-football-managers Does it not strike you as odd that when 25% of players are black, and 25% of people on coaching course are from ethnic minorities that there is only ONE black manager in English football? It isn't lack of will on the part of black people is it?
BoneDog Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 The Bell Curve is a crock of shit that was funded by neo-nazis who love a bit of eugenics. Ye safe.
Leicester Lass Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 There's an official enquiry into this incident now as somebody has made a complaint.
dave the caveman Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/31/black-football-managers Does it not strike you as odd that when 25% of players are black, and 25% of people on coaching course are from ethnic minorities that there is only ONE black manager in English football? It isn't lack of will on the part of black people is it? Odd? Yes. Explainable by immediately pinning the blame on the all-powerful racist white people? No. The article you've linked to there is absurd, and that's coming from a regular guardian reader. She describes "appalling figures" and announces "discrimination lives on" without even considering that an alternative could exist. Because only white people have the power to determine the success of another race. There could be no other explanation.
somebum Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 I dont know about anyone else, but I have the odd moan about different races. Living in Leicester, being surrounded by many races, predominantly Indian and Pakistani, its just one of those things. The key is not to let it boil over to hatred, and hand on heart, thats something I have been guilty of in the past; and I hang my head in shame over it. There's absolutely no place for racism any more, its a prehistoric trait, lets drop this bullsh!t that drags all of our cultures down. I thank God I didnt fall more under the spell of racism those few years ago. I still deal with people who are bitterly racist and it just eats them up, and I think 'whats the point?'. I remember sitting in the old Kop at Filbert Street when I did harbour these ideas and an older Muslim guy with a beard sat down a few seats away. I looked as he rubbed his hands together in anticipation for the game, clothed in a City scarf. It occurred to me how sad it would be for him to have to endure abuse as I am sure he has.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 I dont know about anyone else, but I have the odd moan about different races. Living in Leicester, being surrounded by many races, predominantly Indian and Pakistani, its just one of those things. The key is not to let it boil over to hatred, and hand on heart, thats something I have been guilty of in the past; and I hang my head in shame over it. There's absolutely no place for racism any more, its a prehistoric trait, lets drop this bullsh!t that drags all of our cultures down. I thank God I didnt fall more under the spell of racism those few years ago. I still deal with people who are bitterly racist and it just eats them up, and I think 'whats the point?'. I remember sitting in the old Kop at Filbert Street when I did harbour these ideas and an older Muslim guy with a beard sat down a few seats away. I looked as he rubbed his hands together in anticipation for the game, clothed in a City scarf. It occurred to me how sad it would be for him to have to endure abuse as I am sure he has. i admire your honesty somebum. Lets just stampt out racism full stop - i hate it absolutely hate it. Treat people how you expect to be treated in life, whatever background they are from. Smile at folk and say hello as you walk past during the day - honestly it works and makes you feel better!!!
lestajigs Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 Does it matter? Yea cause I'll move if it is....... I asked a question, it shouldn't have to worry your little self
Fox1651 Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 i admire your honesty somebum. Lets just stampt out racism full stop - i hate it absolutely hate it. Treat people how you expect to be treated in life, whatever background they are from. Smile at folk and say hello as you walk past during the day - honestly it works and makes you feel better!!! top post carlito
21st Century Fox Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 I find it strange that its such an argument FOR wanting to be able to freely use racist epithets as apposed to using that energy to just stamping it out completely! Comparisons with 'banter' with people with ginger hair and people who wear glasses, I'm assuming the guy with the ginger hair or glasses isn't laughing along with you, what you're basically saying is you want the ability to be able to get a laugh from your mates by laughing at someone else because of their race but not be labelled a racist for doing so. How about just don't. Put that energy into something positive. Arguments that "we're English its what we do" and "they do it to us" are absolute bollocks. I'm assuming you wouldn't walk into a room full of asian guys and call one of them a 'paki' to try and get a laugh out of the rest. Lets hope you never end up with a gay son or a daughter who marries a black guy cos you're going to live a very bitter life.
Bugg Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 As a glasses wearer, I die a little bit remembering the segregation and abuse that our people suffered whenever somebody calls me a "four eyed twat"
MC Prussian Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 I dread of the day I get singled out and pointed at by 32'500 fans for being such a bloody foreigner.
Bugg Posted 4 April 2011 Posted 4 April 2011 I dread of the day I get singled out and pointed at by 32'500 fans for being such a bloody foreigner. U tuk our jobs!!!!!
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