CosbehFox Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 This has nothing to do with fans, or Leicester, or football... some people are just idiots and you get them in every walk of life. Exactly not restricted to football or Leicester City, it's everywhere but it's a little less in Leicester generally.
sdb Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 Fair enough. I don't expect many people to understand my view on this. It takes a leap in thought away from the standard issue social brainwash. And yes, of course, the gestures simply must have begun with the evil white people. Those poor little Indian boys, they're so innocent and cute, they just don't have it in them to be mean and horrid, right? Because white people are automatically much worse than any other race? You imply this and then claim that you're not racist?? You white apologists are so bent with the way you try to claim the moral high ground on race when your whole argument itself is more fundamentally racist than the initial issue ever was. It honestly depresses me and I can't wait for true equality to emerge. I'm not saying only white people can be racist. You're making up a whole different argument now. I said racism is wrong, it is.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 Whoever was on about that yuki abe song, do you really believe that it stopped because some stupid do gooder claimed it to be racist?
lestajigs Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 All this talk has got me in the mood for a chicken tika
Cat Burger Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 Whoever was on about that yuki abe song, do you really believe that it stopped because some stupid do gooder claimed it to be racist? Seriously. How is your brain large enough to command you to move your fingers and type that shit? In what world is that song not racist?
Ambitious Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 I think its mainly the majority of the older generation like my Grandad that were kids during or before the war, because they remember when England was almost 100% White caucasian, most of the younger generation like myself are more accepting and tolerant towards other cultures and ethnic backgrounds because we've grown up with them and are used to their presence. Within time most ethnicity groups do become accepted by the majority, when Blacks and West Asians first came over people hated them, now overall they are accepted in society, its the same with the Eastern Europeans when they first came over people hated them, now they are starting to become accepted, the only ethnicity that hasn't really been accepted is Irish Travellers, which I don't think is a racial prejudice, people like myself dislike their way of life and behaviour. But I do feel for a FootballClub in a City that is 60% Asian, they should try to attract the asian community, I've played football against people that are born and bred in West Asia and theres some talented players out there believe it or not.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 Cat burger- if you want to get cocky about intelligence you're picking on the wrong bloke. Just because i'm no leftie doesn't make me thick! How is it racist? Pathetic left loving people like yourself need to get a grip. Apart from the fact the song isn't strictly accurate, its no more racist than if we sang about jocks eating haggis. Sorry, perhaps I shouldn't have used the word jock, as it may offfend you. Get a grip.
thybluefox Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 Whoever was on about that yuki abe song, do you really believe that it stopped because some stupid do gooder claimed it to be racist? I hope you're trying to be funny.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 People like you are so busy worrying about treading on the toes or upsetting 'ethnic minorities'- despite the fact that white english are the minority in down town leicester- that you are the reason society is so divided. People like you create the very divide yot want to stop. Bet you complain when you see COSG flags out on the 23rd april don't you? Or during the world cup/euro tournaments
Finnegan Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 Cat burger- if you want to get cocky about intelligence you're picking on the wrong bloke. Just because i'm no leftie doesn't make me thick! How is it racist? Pathetic left loving people like yourself need to get a grip. Apart from the fact the song isn't strictly accurate, its no more racist than if we sang about jocks eating haggis. Sorry, perhaps I shouldn't have used the word jock, as it may offfend you. Get a grip. ... not being funny, but are you joking? If Yuki Abe was Korean it would be "no more racist than if we sang about jocks eating haggis." Yuki Abe is Japanese and the cultural ignorance and the assumption of "well they're all the same" is why it's particularly offensive. Doubly so given the deeply running political and historical rivalry between Japan and Korea.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 So if the song was changed to '10 leaping salmon swimming in the sea' would that be racist? I see your point about the history between korea and japan, but IMO you're digging far too deep into a song, looking for excuses. Are man utd fans racist singing about ji sung park? Where do you draw the line? Were the taffs- sorry welsh- being racist to us whilst booing GSTQ last weekend?
Bugg Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 No, cause Ji Sung is ACTUALLY Korean. Not just from the same continent.
Haydos Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 So if the song was changed to '10 leaping salmon swimming in the sea' would that be racist? I see your point about the history between korea and japan, but IMO you're digging far too deep into a song, looking for excuses. Are man utd fans racist singing about ji sung park? Where do you draw the line? Were the taffs- sorry welsh- being racist to us whilst booing GSTQ last weekend? He's actually Korean. I think the point is that Abe is Japanese yet people sing like 'they're all the same'. Chinese, Japanese, Korean, whatever.
21st Century Fox Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 Fair enough. I don't expect many people to understand my view on this. It takes a leap in thought away from the standard issue social brainwash. And yes, of course, the gestures simply must have begun with the evil white people. Those poor little Indian boys, they're so innocent and cute, they just don't have it in them to be mean and horrid, right? Because white people are automatically much worse than any other race? You imply this and then claim that you're not racist?? You white apologists are so bent with the way you try to claim the moral high ground on race when your whole argument itself is more fundamentally racist than the initial issue ever was. It honestly depresses me and I can't wait for true equality to emerge. Wow so far wide of the mark its unbelievable!! Even if the "banter" was instigated by the asian guys and they're hand gestures the fact that it was countered with racist abuse was the point! Thats not banter! Why go from what was probably a few middle fingers, V's and willy puller hand gestures to racism?? Theres no need for it. Thats got nothing to do with ring fencing issues or taking moral high ground.
The Doctor Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 stu - you are a tool, an unbelievably annoying tool. Manure's park ji-sung song is at least slightly correct, he's korean and it's the koreans that are famous for eating dogs, not the japanese. Anyway the yuki abe eating alsatians song is racist and born out of complete ignorance and the behaviour described by the op is deplorable. [/thread]
The Year Of The Fox Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 LargeAl- maybe I find you annoying and think your a tool too. To say that though just because yov disagree with me shows your own ignorance. The bloke I spoke to originally said that it would still be racist had abe been born in korea.
Bettsj2 Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 Those being subjected to it on the side of the motorway were, by the OPs own admission, "gesturing as they went past". What do you think those gestures were? A friendly smile and a wave? I don't think so. What do you expect the guys on the LCFC bus to do? Say, "oh, look, they're taking the mickey out of us, but we couldn't possibly do the same in return because that would make us evil racists." Get a grip ffs. We're English, we banter, that's what we do. If you ring fence race as a banter topic it becomes a barrier to full cultural integration and actually perpetuates racism as we know it, rather than solving it. There may have been a time in the distant past where it was necessary to protect minorities, but this is 2011 - these are times of equality, and equality means that if you can dish it out then you can take a bit back in return. If you have a problem with banter in general then please just move to Switzerland, or somewhere, because this country has enough problems without overly sensitive PC drones pretending to be offended because they can't take a joke. Practically everything you've said in all of your posts is mis-informed. Responding to gesturing is fine, but when you add words like 'wog' into the mix, that turns it into racism. I'm not sure why you cant understand that. Do you know what racism is? And to say, 'we're English, we banter', where did you get that from? The English are renowned for the stiff upper lip and the raising above the gutter talk. In no historical stereotype of the English anywhere will you find what you refer to. Referencing Switzerland was an odd choice of country due to their Nazi links but as i've previoulsy said, you dont seem to be particularly clued up about, well anything so I wouldnt expect you to know that.
The Doctor Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 LargeAl- maybe I find you annoying and think your a tool too. To say that though just because you disagree with me shows your own ignorance. The bloke I spoke to originally said that it would still be racist had abe been born in korea. i didn't say it wouldn't have been, just that at least the park song was correct in terms of matching nationality to stereotype correctly. edit: also because i'm a grammar nazi, it's you're not your.
Finnegan Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 So if the song was changed to '10 leaping salmon swimming in the sea' would that be racist? I see your point about the history between korea and japan, but IMO you're digging far too deep into a song, looking for excuses. Are man utd fans racist singing about ji sung park? Where do you draw the line? Were the taffs- sorry welsh- being racist to us whilst booing GSTQ last weekend? You're still missing the point. Nobody's "digging in to it" or "looking for excuses," it's right there on the surface for all to see. Everyone singing this song is ignorantly getting the Japanese and the Korean mixed up purely because they look similar. That's the very essence of racism. Something does't have to be a direct insult to be racist. I assume you wouldn't call all of the Asian people in Leicester "Indians" without thinking about it, would you? Because Leicester has big populations of Pakistani and Bangladeshi people who would find that extremely offensive. The same is true here. As for whether or not the song is racist in the context of United fans singing it to Park? Eehhh, I'm not really at liberty to make that judgement. Contrary to popular belief I dislike the concept of "political correctness," I think the Korean populace are capable of deciding for themselves what they find offensive. What I will say is that the chant is implying that the Korean diet is a negative, but I don't think that's really significantly worse than mocking the French for eating frogs or whatever. And as for us booing your anthem; no, that isn't racism, it's just dickish. We do it because we know you get uppity about it and because it's an anthem that's symbolic of English rule over Scotland, Ireland and Wales. We do it because we know it'll get a reaction and we don't give a fuck if you do it back because, frankly, we'll drown you out with singing. Edit: I should add, I've never actually personally booed another country's anthem. I do think a certain level of respect should be observed but then at the same time, I must admit, I have struggled to avoid a smirk in the past when it's happened. He's actually Korean. I think the point is that Abe is Japanese yet people sing like 'they're all the same'. Chinese, Japanese, Korean, whatever.
Guest Mee-9 Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 Actually. The Japanese do eat dog, It is just uncommon nowadays. The lad on my Coach from Bristol was telling us.
Finnegan Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 Actually. The Japanese do eat dog, It is just uncommon nowadays. The lad on my Coach from Bristol was telling us. I'm sure there are people from every nation on the Earth that's given dog or horse or donkey or whatever the hell else a go at times. But, no, the Japanese do not generally eat dog meat while it is traditionally commonplace in Korea. There is a sizable ethnic Korean minority known as Zainichi in Japan who may be responsible for upping the statistic, but imports of dog meat to Japan are so small as to be practically non-existent.
The Doctor Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 Actually. The Japanese do eat dog, It is just uncommon nowadays. The lad on my Coach from Bristol was telling us. Deja Vu? I'm sure we discussed this before and the "evidence" was japan importing dog meat - could easily be korean ex-pats.
Guest Mee-9 Posted 3 April 2011 Posted 3 April 2011 Deja Vu? I'm sure we discussed this before and the "evidence" was japan importing dog meat - could easily be korean ex-pats. We probably did. Lcfc_weasel (Excuse the spelling) was involved aswell, as he was the one who was debating it on the bus with this lad.
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