Finnegan Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 For the record, his fastest time would have seen him finish 4th at the Beijing Olympics. Just in case anyone's thinking "what harm can he do, he's not going to be a serious contender." Wrong. His personal best would have seen him fail to reach the mens 400m final in Beijing. Had he reached the final and run his personal best he would have been fifth and that's ignoring the fact that, to be perfectly honest, most of the back runners in that race knew there was no fucking point by more or less the end of the first curve. LaShawn Merrit is almost to the 400m what Usain Bolt is to the 200m. He won that race by a clear second. He's monster. Add to that the fact that the rest of the medal places were quickly snatched up by the rest of the USA's 4x400 team (excluding Taylor, who's a hurdler) and you can see why the likes of Martyn Rooney weren't exactly busting a gut to cross the line. And all of that is assuming Pistorius runs his personal best in every race! He, for the most part, puts in times in the 46s and 47s which wouldn't have seen him get out of his heats, let alone to the semis. Not being funny, but Sanya Richards has beaten a few of his competitive times. He's literally only just clocked that 45.07 in the last week after failing, numerous times, to get below qualifying standard. Please don't think I'm knocking the guy, because I'm not, you see him competing with other amputee athletes and he's incredible, he won the last Paralympic gold by about a straight it was immense and it's a huge compliment that he's even being considered to compete with these guys. Just anyone thinking he's some sort of Terminator that's going to rock up and destroy the field in London 2012 is an idiot.
accessory Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 The fact that he's even in a position to compete at the Olympics will raise the profile of amputees worldwide and may help to break down the barriers of stigma and prejudice that they often face.
Finnegan Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 I have no idea in that regard. I don't have the slightest inclination what amputee prejudice is like, how severe or how common it is.
Bryn Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 ok , let them put those spring heeled jacks on other athletes and see if there's no advantage Putting legs on legs would be rather silly wouldn't it? This pretty much sums up what I was trying to say. So because he's got no legs he deserves to be given an advantage to make him feel better? That's absurd.
Daggers Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 I don't have the slightest inclination what amputee prejudice is like, how severe or how common it is. Is "I couldn't care less about the Special Olympics or anybody involved in it" being prejudice?
Trav Le Bleu Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 Wrong. His personal best would have seen him fail to reach the mens 400m final in Beijing. Had he reached the final and run his personal best he would have been fifth and that's ignoring the fact that, to be perfectly honest, Well I'm suing Radio 5 then. You can't trust the BBC.
Finnegan Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 Is "I couldn't care less about the Special Olympics or anybody involved in it" being prejudice? Given that it's the Paralympics not the Special Olympics, yes. Given that it's you intentionally being a obtuse to make a point, no.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 Oh, and for the record does anyone else think his name reminds them of a drunken dinosaur?
Daggers Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 Given that it's the Paralympics not the Special Olympics, yes. Really? Are you sure?
Finnegan Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 Really? Are you sure? I wasn't arguing semantics, they're two distinctly different games and Pistorius doesn't compete in the Special. The Special Olympics (which I've always hated the naming of) is, predominantly, for the learning disabled. The Paralympic Games covers physical disability. I thought you were intentionally muddling them up to be deliberately un-PC. But if not I suppose you proved your own point, you don't give a shit about the Special Olympics (or the Paralympics.) If I've somehow missed some deeper level of humour, here, then I'm sorry for letting you down on this occasion, Dave, it's late and I'm tired.
Daggers Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 But if not I suppose you proved your own point, you don't give a shit about the Special Olympics (or the Paralympics.) If I've somehow missed some deeper level of humour, here, then I'm sorry for letting you down on this occasion, Dave, it's late and I'm tired. Nope. I genuinely didn't know there were two separate things. I feel like my casually-racist Dad now.
Nick Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 Nope. I genuinely didn't know there were two separate things. I feel like my casually-racist Dad now. Don't worry Dave, you're still eligible to enter either competition.
Daggers Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 Don't worry Dave, you're still eligible to enter either competition. The trouble is, with my physical deformity, I always end up tripping over my cock.
Zingari Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 I understand he runs in a special design of blades called "cheetah flex foot" and the design of these is specifically for running fast If he wears a different design of artificial legs then he would not be able to run so fast and are probably more useful in day-to -day living If we accept that the design of those blades greatly affect the speed at which he can run then we must accept that any future improvement in design will make him able to run faster , OK ? Therefore we must accept that if he does not improve physically himself , but due to the improvement in design of the running blades he is now able to run faster , then we must conclude that the blades are giving an advantage. Or is this usual Zingari bollox ?
Nick Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 The trouble is, with my physical deformity, I always end up tripping over my cock. Yes Dave, I have told you though not to slouch when you walk and to keep your neck straight - this way it should just rest nicely from the forehead down to the breasts.
Finnegan Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 Nope. I genuinely didn't know there were two separate things. I feel like my casually-racist Dad now. Next up, tickets to see Jim Davidson and Roy Chubby Brown's greatest hits for Christmas! Do you mind if Dangerous Tiger borrows your Daily Mail? Don't worry Dave, you're still eligible to enter either competition. ZING!
Daggers Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 Yes Dave, I have told you though not to slouch when you walk and to keep your neck straight - this way it should just rest nicely from the forehead down to the breasts.
Tomassi Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 This thread really emphasizes the lack of humility in human society have today... So a disabled man is allowed to compete in the olympics... a lifetime of having no lower legs has not stopped his hunger and desire to compete with able-bodies... he finally gets his dream and people are still there trying to drag him down because of his disability. So what if he has carbon fibre legs... A deaf person uses hearing aids to be able to use a phone, and then is able to work in a call-centre. If he or she gets the biggest bonus, should that be taken away because the hearing aids help that person to achieve the bonus? A disabled person uses a wheelchair. If he or she gets a company car to drive around, should they be sacked because they are disabled? Come on guys, stop with your jealousy of what you see as an unfair advantage and accept and embrace this man for what he truly stands for, himself! Disability should not be discriminated against especially in this age!
Nick Posted 24 July 2011 Posted 24 July 2011 Errr..... This thread really emphasizes the lack of humility in human society have today... So a disabled man is allowed to compete in the olympics... a lifetime of having no lower legs has not stopped his hunger and desire to compete with able-bodies... he finally gets his dream and people are still there trying to drag him down because of his disability. So what if he has carbon fibre legs... A deaf person uses hearing aids to be able to use a phone, and then is able to work in a call-centre. If he or she gets the biggest bonus, should that be taken away because the hearing aids help that person to achieve the bonus? A disabled person uses a wheelchair. If he or she gets a company car to drive around, should they be sacked because they are disabled? Come on guys, stop with your jealousy of what you see as an unfair advantage and accept and embrace this man for what he truly stands for, himself! Disability should not be discriminated against especially in this age!
Daggers Posted 25 July 2011 Posted 25 July 2011 I'm currently listening to a shit 'live' Genesis album - if that doesn't in some way qualify me as disabled then I don't know what would.
MPH Posted 25 July 2011 Posted 25 July 2011 Out of interest. I'm able-bodied. If it turned out I was ace at wheelchair basketball could I compete in the Paralympics? Nope. Tests are done to prove an athlete's disability. In some events they are graded according to degree of disability. the wheelchair basketball competitors are graded on levels 1-5 a foot or below the knee amputee is graded as a level 5, people without any disability would fall into the same category and so technically we could enter.... but who would really want to... lets be honest... The trouble is, with my physical deformity, I always end up tripping over my cock. really really really short legs? poor fella...
Daggers Posted 25 July 2011 Posted 25 July 2011 really really really short legs? poor fella... See, if you'd made Nick's joke I'd have laughed. As it is there's now a wind flowing through the thread...
Zingari Posted 25 July 2011 Posted 25 July 2011 Okay , I’ve had a rethink about this and decided against cutting any legs off etc . How about making a rubber mask of my face and super gluing it onto a sea lion and claiming I’m suffering from a very rare condition called "fused leg and flappy arm syndrome" ( if someone can come up with a scientific name for this and maybe make a convincing wikipedia entry about this I’d be grateful . I could glue some speedos around the waist too for extra effect. Look out for an ungainly chap from Leicester called Mr C Lyons cleaning up all the golds in the pool at London 2012 My trademark celebration will be a run around the pool with a beach ball balanced on my nose No doubt someone like Trav will come along and put the mockers on my cunning master plan though
ozleicester Posted 25 July 2011 Author Posted 25 July 2011 This thread really emphasizes the lack of humility in human society have today... So a disabled man is allowed to compete in the olympics... a lifetime of having no lower legs has not stopped his hunger and desire to compete with able-bodies... he finally gets his dream and people are still there trying to drag him down because of his disability. So what if he has carbon fibre legs... A deaf person uses hearing aids to be able to use a phone, and then is able to work in a call-centre. If he or she gets the biggest bonus, should that be taken away because the hearing aids help that person to achieve the bonus? A disabled person uses a wheelchair. If he or she gets a company car to drive around, should they be sacked because they are disabled? Come on guys, stop with your jealousy of what you see as an unfair advantage and accept and embrace this man for what he truly stands for, himself! Disability should not be discriminated against especially in this age! Quite the opposite, and the very reason i asked the question, the way i did. I dont believe you can compare The Olympic Games (the pinnacle of human sporting performance) with working in a call centre, not to denigrate working in a call centre which is incredibly valuable (especially when I call them.). Should we allow people to compete in the Olympic Games if... They have used performance enhancing drugs...and as a secondary, does using a pain killer become a performance enhancer? the athlete has had plastic/titanium etc put into the human body (eg broken legs etc) the Athlete has had body parts replaced. at what point is it merely replace or repair and at what point is it the building of an award winning human? and........ if it is fair to this particular man to allow him into the Olympics... is it fair on those others who dont have the technology?
Tomassi Posted 25 July 2011 Posted 25 July 2011 Quite the opposite, and the very reason i asked the question, the way i did. I dont believe you can compare The Olympic Games (the pinnacle of human sporting performance) with working in a call centre, not to denigrate working in a call centre which is incredibly valuable (especially when I call them.). Should we allow people to compete in the Olympic Games if... They have used performance enhancing drugs...and as a secondary, does using a pain killer become a performance enhancer? the athlete has had plastic/titanium etc put into the human body (eg broken legs etc) the Athlete has had body parts replaced. at what point is it merely replace or repair and at what point is it the building of an award winning human? and........ if it is fair to this particular man to allow him into the Olympics... is it fair on those others who dont have the technology? So is the bloke not human then?
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