Wymsey Posted 19 September 2011 Posted 19 September 2011 An absolute disgrace of a decision, certainly disrespectful. Nothing should stop poppies being sold. Not good publicity at all.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 19 September 2011 Posted 19 September 2011 Most homeless people are youngsters who have run away from home and drug-users/alcoholics who have been cast aside by friends and family. I deliver to a homeless shelter everyday and I've never seen anyone who I would think was an ex-serviceman. Not saying that they don't exist - I'm sure the trauma of war can make it difficult for some people to reintegrate into society - but they certainly are NOT the majority. one shelter though... It's not so much the trauma of war, more the lifestyle change, having bugger all qualifications in some cases, no job (after leaving the army) and no roof over head for the same reason. That's why the army are now big on people getting key skills qualifications. Il look after work tomorrow to see what statistics I can find. I just remember it from the talk we were given before going back into civvy street.
21st Century Fox Posted 19 September 2011 Posted 19 September 2011 one shelter though... It's not so much the trauma of war, more the lifestyle change, having bugger all qualifications in some cases, no job (after leaving the army) and no roof over head for the same reason. That's why the army are now big on people getting key skills qualifications. Il look after work tomorrow to see what statistics I can find. I just remember it from the talk we were given before going back into civvy street. Yeah I think you're right, but so far as I'm aware I don't think they're in the majority but its a fair percentage. My sister volunteered on a homeless bus whilst doing her degree in Psychology and I think alot of them end up on the streets through PTSD and mental health complications. Its sad because some of the 'eccentric' or 'drunk' tramps you see have spiralled down that way.
Rincewind Posted 19 September 2011 Posted 19 September 2011 Not sure if anyone realises but there is a big prop[ortion of ex-servicemen homeless and living on the street. That's not to say both should not be helped. If as it was said it is only a few streets I see no problem. This could be so they don't clash with both charities being alongside each other. It benifits both. Next year the popy sellers will have to get their application in earlier then Shelter will do the complaining.
gazfox9 Posted 19 September 2011 Posted 19 September 2011 A pension which the government is now in the process of slashing . True, but they will still receive a generous retirement, far more so than many in the private sector.
acooling08 Posted 19 September 2011 Posted 19 September 2011 Solid reasoning there fcukhead. It is actually, considering the majority of what you post is bullshit; pessamistic bullshit. Lets see if you still have that Sig at the end of the season.
BoneDog Posted 19 September 2011 Posted 19 September 2011 How long do you have to serve in the British Army before you receive a pension? I read something the other day about US veterans having their pensions slashed and maybe stopped (whilst GE for example made $14 billion profit and pay $0 tax) which is vile and I wondered if the same thing is going to happen in Britain to retired soldiers.
acooling08 Posted 19 September 2011 Posted 19 September 2011 A pension which the government is now in the process of slashing . I think I speak for everyone working in the Private Sector when I say, about fvcking time.
Raj Posted 19 September 2011 Posted 19 September 2011 Cos of the high level threat of muslamic ray guns in Birmingham.
The Doctor Posted 20 September 2011 Posted 20 September 2011 And Al you just got backed up by Somebum. What further proof do you need that you're being an idiot? plenty more, I've seen some of his/her old posts and somebum only talks absolute shit when it comes to sven and leicester - in general sport and this sub-forum he tends to speak sense. Oh and I'd rather be backed up by someone like somebum than a sun reading, bigoted oxygen thief like you.
Samilktray Posted 20 September 2011 Posted 20 September 2011 It is actually, considering the majority of what you post is bullshit Oh the irony.
Finnegan Posted 20 September 2011 Posted 20 September 2011 It's been massively exaggerated by the press (surprise, surprise). The 'ban' applies to a couple of streets only, and Birmingham is a pretty big place. That's not to say I agree with the policy in this case, but it's a mountain out of a molehill situation in my opinion. This. Massively this. And I see since you posted it's even been rescinded? Bet they wouldn't dare to ban a muslim handing out Korans. I'm not saying they should ban that either; both should be absolutely allowed, but I'm just saying the Council wouldn't dare ban an ethnic minority cause. Disgraceful really, I'd ignore the council and sell them anyway. Jesus Christ. I actually think you're getting more retarded by the week.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 20 September 2011 Posted 20 September 2011 How long do you have to serve in the British Army before you receive a pension? I read something the other day about US veterans having their pensions slashed and maybe stopped (whilst GE for example made $14 billion profit and pay $0 tax) which is vile and I wondered if the same thing is going to happen in Britain to retired soldiers. its all changed since I was in, and even when I was I can't remember the exact details. I think you only qualified for the full pension if you served the max 22 years, and you were given more according to your rank. Really can't tell you what it is now
Zingari Posted 20 September 2011 Posted 20 September 2011 I have great respect for the armed forces and the retired ex service people, but through some family related instances regarding the British legion itself, I think they’re role in actually helping anyone is vastly over stated. I do admit that I am going back a long time though regarding our experiences with them . For instance, they insinuate ( but don’t actually state) that they provide funds to allow grieving widows , mothers etc to go and visit graves abroad , but in actual fact they only arrange these excursions through travel companies and the government actually pays the bill . Like many charitable organisations, they do a lot of good work, but I also remain deeply suspicious of most of them. As I said, this was the case a very long time ago, if things are different now then I apologise
The Year Of The Fox Posted 20 September 2011 Posted 20 September 2011 I have great respect for the armed forces and the retired ex service people, but through some family related instances regarding the British legion itself, I think they’re role in actually helping anyone is vastly over stated. I do admit that I am going back a long time though regarding our experiences with them . For instance, they insinuate ( but don’t actually state) that they provide funds to allow grieving widows , mothers etc to go and visit graves abroad , but in actual fact they only arrange these excursions through travel companies and the government actually pays the bill . Like many charitable organisations, they do a lot of good work, but I also remain deeply suspicious of most of them. As I said, this was the case a very long time ago, if things are different now then I apologise i know nothing of the breakdown if funding handed out by the RBL, though you may well be right to some degree. I remember two years ago the government itself had decided to stop funding the ww2 vets for them to travel to Normandy for the 65th anniversary of D-Day, as I set up a collection in the local pub. Eventually the government rightly reinstated the funding to get them all over there. If someone wants to try and find the homeless ex servicemen statistics today, then great. If not I shall look tonight. I'm positive though that the RBL help the vets of the world wars more than anything else. For example helping them find new homes, down to installing chair lifts to help them get upstairs in their own homes. Large Al is clearly an intelligent bloke but I think in this case he's talking about something he has no experience of, hiding behind intellectual words to mask this.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 20 September 2011 Posted 20 September 2011 And I'm just glad that the people of large al's age from 70 years ago didn't have his attitude. If they had of done we'd all be goose stepping to work, and speaking German.
The Doctor Posted 20 September 2011 Posted 20 September 2011 Large Al is clearly an intelligent bloke but I think in this case he's talking about something he has no experience of, hiding behind intellectual words to mask this. You're right, I do have no experience of the armed forces and the RBL's work supporting those that may be unable to care for themselves following service but I don't see that that should stop me from putting forth my basic view - that the work by Oxfam and Homeless charities is more important than that done by the RBL. That doesn't need experience to make a judgement, just a rough idea as to what each charity do and how their work matches up to my beliefs. I will concede that I could have worded my argument better, reading back it sounds like I don't care at all for the armed forces, which isn't quite true - I don't believe they are entirely essential and worthy of the amount of veneration they get, particularly compared to that of doctors, fire-fighters & police - all of whom play a key part in modern society, but so long as we keep engaging in wars that, in some cases, we have no business getting involved with (Afghanistan) we do need to have an armed forces.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 20 September 2011 Posted 20 September 2011 You're right, I do have no experience of the armed forces and the RBL's work supporting those that may be unable to care for themselves following service but I don't see that that should stop me from putting forth my basic view - that the work by Oxfam and Homeless charities is more important than that done by the RBL. That doesn't need experience to make a judgement, just a rough idea as to what each charity do and how their work matches up to my beliefs. I will concede that I could have worded my argument better, reading back it sounds like I don't care at all for the armed forces, which isn't quite true - I don't believe they are entirely essential and worthy of the amount of veneration they get, particularly compared to that of doctors, fire-fighters & police - all of whom play a key part in modern society, but so long as we keep engaging in wars that, in some cases, we have no business getting involved with (Afghanistan) we do need to have an armed forces. We do though, to act as a deterrent as much as anything else. I don't think you can compare doctors police and the fire service with the armed forces. They earn so much more money than soldiers for starters. How did you feel when the firefighters went on strike and it was the squaddies who were doing their job for them? How would you have felt if the police had called in the army during those riots last month? I don't believe you have a rough idea though else you'd realise the RBL do help the homeless
21st Century Fox Posted 20 September 2011 Posted 20 September 2011 I don't think Al's saying the RBL isn't worthwhile just that other charities such as for the Homeless will be helping all homeless people rather than just ex-servicemen. In all fairness if backed into a corner I'd have to give to those with nothing rather than those with little. But then again we shouldn't ever be put into a situation where one charity is given preference over another by the a local authority but they've reversed the decision in their own cack-handed fashion anyway now.
Charl91 Posted 20 September 2011 Posted 20 September 2011 Bet they wouldn't dare to ban a muslim handing out Korans. Yeah, because of that well known handing-out-Koran charity?
Charl91 Posted 20 September 2011 Posted 20 September 2011 And I'm just glad that the people of large al's age from 70 years ago didn't have his attitude. If they had of done we'd all be goose stepping to work, and speaking German. You can't compare the second world war to the current ones......
The Year Of The Fox Posted 20 September 2011 Posted 20 September 2011 You can't compare the second world war to the current ones...... Erm.. I'm not! I'm comparing attitudes of today and 70 odd years ago
The Doctor Posted 20 September 2011 Posted 20 September 2011 I don't think Al's saying the RBL isn't worthwhile just that other charities such as for the Homeless will be helping all homeless people rather than just ex-servicemen. In all fairness if backed into a corner I'd have to give to those with nothing rather than those with little. But then again we shouldn't ever be put into a situation where one charity is given preference over another by the a local authority but they've reversed the decision in their own cack-handed fashion anyway now.
Heskey2011 Posted 20 September 2011 Posted 20 September 2011 Fukin hell, you numpty. Most homeless are servicemen anyway. The RBL probably help almost as much as Oxfam at getting homeless off the street. As for saying people don't care, I find its only people with your attitude who don't care and aren't appreciative of what vets have done for us. That's despite them giving you the free and open democratic society you claim to love. I'll refrain from posting on this thread again as its sanctimonious tossers like you who really rile me. Sorry fella but i can't agree, i'm all for remembering those that died to protect our freedom etc, but the recent conflict our nation has been involved with have been disgraceful and to be completley honest the modern soldier who chooses to join the army in my opinion deserve no more rememberance than our fireman and women, who put their lives on the line day in day out. Don't mean to offend anyone connected to the army, i respect what you do and the need to do it, i just don't agree with the methods or agenda.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 20 September 2011 Posted 20 September 2011 Sorry fella but i can't agree, i'm all for remembering those that died to protect our freedom etc, but the recent conflict our nation has been involved with have been disgraceful and to be completley honest the modern soldier who chooses to join the army in my opinion deserve no more rememberance than our fireman and women, who put their lives on the line day in day out. Don't mean to offend anyone connected to the army, i respect what you do and the need to do it, i just don't agree with the methods or agenda. It's not todays soldiers who are at fault for causing these conflicts though. Blame the government not them. The squaddies in general don't go about looking for praise from the public. They love what they do. But why perhaps yourself and large al want to only be appreciative of the WW vets and not the current servicemen I do not know. Afterall they VOLUNTARILY join up, compared to the ones conscripted for the WWs. Going back to the recent 'disgraceful conflicts' perhaps you'd think differently if you lived on the falklands (for example) Whilst you may disagree with Iraq and afghan for whatever reasons you may have, noone can ever say that had we not gone to war in either country, that we would not be directly affected with whatever future plans al qaeda and sadaam had in mind. The government have had to change from being reactive (in world war 2s case) to proactive (iraq and afghan) Had we have taken proactive action against Germany in the years under Hitler before 1939 we would probably have averted the seconds world war.
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