Still yet to get in to the top 6 under Sven

[Salieri]

God bless the man who only put 26 letters into our alphabet...

He makes some good points to be fair, just in a VERY long winded manner!

[Kitchandro]

Although thats true we cant afford to be playing catch up already. We need to start going on a run and getting up the table, and if we cant beat both Millwall and Watford we really dont deserve to be any better than where we currently are.

We have spent a lot of monhey and brought in some decent players, we should be doing better.

Believe me, I want Sven to succeed and prove me and all the other doubters wrong, but people cant keep making excuses for him.

Agreed, we were adrift last season after 11 games. Yes we improved a lot when Sven turned up, but we never once hit the top 6. Now, Sven may well get us performing better and as a result we may go on a great run (and not an unbeaten run, a run where we pick up loads of points and climb the table) yet we could still be struggling to catch the top 2.

[sphericalfox]

I love when people use a point of 'he's been here a year and the team is a shambles' nonsense.

Conveniently forgetting every time that we had wholesale changes in the team over the summer. STOP repeating a point that has no basis on the team we started THIS season with. It's not been a true year! He had to start almost from scratch to rebuild the team.

Remarkable turning of facts!

I expect us to be performing more consistently and was happy to have an unbeaten run and thought we may well be able to build a bit steam. We were on the cards for a draw in my view. A couple of awful decisions went against us on Sunday, we had two players who made unnecessary tackles, and we went down to ten men giving the impetus to Brum, who had a sniff. Up to that point they had nothing.

I have always said that by the end of October if we don't look like potential contenders then I will start to be more harsh on the team and more critical of Sven. I would hope that the home games we have upcoming will allow Beckford and the team put that result behind us and get back on track.

But I have to say that there are always the creeps who come out of the shadows to shout 'I told you so' but for numerous weeks didn't post a note. Not one single posting.

Also on a side note I see Col City has his flip flops back on. It's too cold mate, time to get some sturdy plimsoles or summat

[Guest MattP]

I love when people use a point of 'he's been here a year and the team is a shambles' nonsense.

Conveniently forgetting every time that we had wholesale changes in the team over the summer. STOP repeating a point that has no basis on the team we started THIS season with. It's not been a true year! He had to start almost from scratch to rebuild the team.

Remarkable turning of facts!

I expect us to be performing more consistently and was happy to have an unbeaten run and thought we may well be able to build a bit steam. We were on the cards for a draw in my view. A couple of awful decisions went against us on Sunday, we had two players who made unnecessary tackles, and we went down to ten men giving the impetus to Brum, who had a sniff. Up to that point they had nothing.

I have always said that by the end of October if we don't look like potential contenders then I will start to be more harsh on the team and more critical of Sven. I would hope that the home games we have upcoming will allow Beckford and the team put that result behind us and get back on track.

But I have to say that there are always the creeps who come out of the shadows to shout 'I told you so' but for numerous weeks didn't post a note. Not one single posting.

Also on a side note I see Col City has his flip flops back on. It's too cold mate, time to get some sturdy plimsoles or summat

What shocking decisions saturday? The opinion of most is that they were correct, the only awful decisions that went agaisnt us on saturday were the ones coming from our own dugout.

You also seem to miss the fact when Sven turned up despite us in a fairly low position we still had the nucleus of a squad that had fnished 5th the season before. Of course anyone who had negative views were quiet after the Derby game, anyone who would of dared say a thing would have been shot down for even daring to suggest we were not going to massacre the league after that game.

[NewburyFox]

Thracian, you're asking for far, far, far too much. I mean sure, that's what we all hope for, but some of the points you made are ridiculous.

For example, (as I'm not going to reply to every point), you want fullbacks who constantly support the team going forward, can quickly turn defence into attack, can defend and have the ability to deliver great crosses all the time. We had Kyle who could do all of this, and guess what? He's now playing in the Premier League. The same situation applies to the point you made about wingers. We're still in the Championship, we're not going to be able to buy a winger who has the pace to unsettle defences and "can deliver the sort of accurate, constructive and varied final passes which will create opportunities for our main strikers." Those kinds of players play in the top divisions, and stay there.

You seem to prefer the gung-ho approach, such as "you score four and we'll score five." Sven obviously had to sort out the defence as we leaked two goals in five games in a row, and this seems to have had a detrimental effect on the attack. Not entirely suprising as there had to be an emphasis on the defence, we just need to find the balance now and I believe he will.

I agree with most of what you've said, but you're asking for way too much and to blame Sven for not sorting out some of the issues you've mentioned (such as the two above) is going too far.

[AdamN]

Secondly, unbeaten runs are deceptive. We've actually not picked up a large amount of points during that run because we've drawn and not won away from home, so we've only got 4 points out of 15 away since the last game we lost.

Well the league isn't won on just away games, is it? What we've actually got is 13 points from 21 during that seven game period, which is promotion form (over a season that'd equate to 85 points - 1 more than Norwich got last season). And yes, I know that we've lost games before and since, but however you look at it, that is a good run of form.

And so what if we're not in the top six just now? We're eleven games in and currently 2 (yes that's right, TWO) points off Brighton in fifth and only 5 off West Ham in second. We're hardly sitting in a disastrous position, are we? A 2-5 point gap at this stage of the season means absolutely nothing, so I'm not gonna get as worked up about it as some people on here seem to be.

[Tielemans63]

I must admit, i'm starting to lose faith in Svennis. I've always tried to be positive but I have 2 major issues with him 1) There is no Plan B, let's be honest, when we go a goal down, 75 -80% of the time we lose. I think we're mentally a bit fragile and we need to have more belief if we're going to go up. 2) I still feel the recruitment process was a liitle bit random and we are putting square pegs in round holes. Playing with four CM's doesn't work if we go a goal down as we become too easy to contain. I'm also not convinced that Nugent and Beckford can compliment each other.

I hope I'm wrong, I just don't see much of an ethos at LCFC at the minute.

Also, we're 7 points off the top and 8 off the bottom - there's probably all the statistics you need to know.

[Guest Col city fan]

I love when people use a point of 'he's been here a year and the team is a shambles' nonsense.

Conveniently forgetting every time that we had wholesale changes in the team over the summer. STOP repeating a point that has no basis on the team we started THIS season with. It's not been a true year! He had to start

almost from scratch to rebuild the team.

Remarkable turning of facts!

I expect us to be performing more consistently and was happy to have an unbeaten run and thought we may well be able to build a bit steam. We were on the cards for a

draw in my view. A couple of awful decisions went against

us on Sunday, we had two players who made unnecessary tackles, and we went down to ten men giving the impetus to Brum, who had a sniff. Up to that point they had nothing.

I have always said that by the end of October if we don't

look like potential contenders then I will start to be more harsh on the team and more critical of Sven. I would hope that the home games we have upcoming will allow

Beckford and the team put that result behind us and get back on track.

But I have to say that there are always the creeps who

come out of the shadows to shout 'I told you so' but for numerous weeks didn't post a note. Not one single posting.

Also on a side note I see Col City has his flip flops back on. It's too cold mate, time to get some sturdy plimsoles

or summat

You don't half talk a load of old tosh... What awful decisions?

Go on then let's see those pink slippers you old fox..

However, please no more of Mrs Spherical....

[Babylon]

Alphabetti Spaghetti

All of which could actually have been merged into 3 or 4 bullet points.

Whilst I can probably come up with points on every single one (I won't, I have a life). How many teams have got promotion in the last decade or two with two strikers scoring 40 goals between them?

[sphericalfox]

What shocking decisions saturday? The opinion of most is that they were correct, the only awful decisions that went agaisnt us on saturday were the ones coming from our own dugout.

You also seem to miss the fact when Sven turned up despite us in a fairly low position we still had the nucleus of a squad that had fnished 5th the season before. Of course anyone who had negative views were quiet after the Derby game, anyone who would of dared say a thing would have been shot down for even daring to suggest we were not going to massacre the league after that game.

First things first......we played on Sunday

And secondly we had some calls that were wide of the mark. I have no qualms about Mills being sent off. Stupid two footed challenge. Off he goes. Yellow or red, it was stupid. He'll know that. Hopefully he won't make the same mistake again. I've stated before that Sven has asked precisely what some individuals were screaming for last season under Sven. To get stick in and put in challenges. SOme players have gone over board and there's always the danger with some of the players we have getting cards as they have fiery temperaments.

I love how you blame Sven for putting out the same team and formation as played against Derby, yet you'll pull him apart for 'tinkering'.

Bla, bla, nucleus schmuleous, sucking Pearson's balls, Hull are above us in the league.

Yes Sven took someone's else team who couldn't play the way he chooses to, and built another team that wasn't Pearsons. He's a criminal who knows nothing.

I'm also talking about the imbeciles who came out of the woodwork on Sunday stating that Sven should go, and the season was virtually over. The same idiots who come out when we lose, but have NOTHING positive to say about the team and who have nothing constructive to add to any debate.

Thracian has points but goes to such an extreme he's going to tip over and sink. 3 positives looks incredible if you can objectively add 26 negatives to make a ludicrous exaggerated prose.

Those who are patting his back and the usuals.

Taking what I say like its aimed directly at you specifically is pretty lame. I dont mind debate, but I try base my opinions around facts. I occasionally can slip into dream world but try to maintain objectivity. Don't take it personally MattP.

[Callabinho]

Thinking about where we are at present has little to do with our points or place in the League because we all know there's a long way to go. But here's my take.

Sven has been here 46 games (effectively a full season) and had carte blanche to spend a lot of money on the players he wishes. He's brought his own coach and seems to have a completely free reign managerially. The backing he's had, in every way, has been brilliant.

So what do we have for the investment apart from a team that is further down the league than when Pearson left?

a) We have several excellent new players:- Kasper, Mills, Bamba and Nugent. I'd add that Schlupp seems to be emerging as a decent talent. The rest are unproven.

b) We've also had a lot of publicity and have a lot of expectations.

But that's about it.

What we don't have is this:

a) A team that is properly balanced in all areas and able to function fluidly.

b) Tactics which bring the best out of our players, particularly away from home.

c) A 100% positive philosophy of setting out to score enough goals to win every game whether we succeed or not.

d) A consistent policy of pressing the game high up the pitch.

e) Wingers in the team with the pace and skill to unsettle defences and with the ability to make themselves available for passes from our central midfielders.

f) Full-backs with the ability not only to get forward but to deliver telling final passes when they do.

g) A strike partnership which works for one another and shows the capability of scoring the 40-odd goals between them necessary to win promotion.

h) Wide players in defence or attack who can deliver the sort of accurate, constructive and varied final passes which will create opportunities for our main strikers.

i) A free-kick/corner specialist who can make things happen with deadly effect.

j) The tactical acumen and attention to detail necessary to enable our dominant centre-backs to score goals from set plays.

k) Assumption that ouir team will move forward and back as a unit whether we play at home or away.

l) Determination to always get sufficient players in the opposing penalty box to give ourselves a chance of finishing moves with a goal.

m) An attitude that when we score once, our focus should always be on scoring again.

n) A meritocracy whereby people who play well retain their place in the team or squad.

o) The sort of fitness levels which will enable us to maintain pressure at home or away for 90 minutes.

p) Players in every position who show themselves capable of affecting games for the better. Being safe or merely competent is not enough.

q) Sufficient potential marksmen in the team to give us a reasonable chance of scoring two goals or more both at home and away.

r) Full-backs and/or midfielders with the pace to turn defence into attack quickly.

s) Ruthlessness - a clear determination to impose our terms onto every game.

t) A what-if strategy whereby potential events - particularly setbacks - are acknowledged and the players clear in their mind beforehand how to respond.

u) Attention to detail so that nothing is wasted be it a throw-in, corner, free-kick, penalty and nothing is given away unnecessarily.

v) Ability to change but always with purpose. For instance, if two strikers don't work, use three!

w) Selflessness. A willingness of all players to pass and move with conviction and sometimes to make selfless runs designed to do nothing but create time and space for others.

x) A collective responsibility for shooting and benefitting from the possibility of rebounds. Too many of our players hardly ever shoot.

y) Variety - the ability and willingness to recognise that if something is not working the approach needs to change. For instance, high, floated crosses are virtually pointless with our forwards. They are not big natural aerial predators so we must play to the strengths and deliver passes which are appropriate.

z) Winning mentality. This is the desire, so often expressed by Kasper, but which needs to run through the entire team. The desire to be best at everything, everywhere. We should recognise opposition strengths and negate them. Recognise our own on the day and exploit them. Impose our will on every situation to the point where our very appearance makes a statement.

That's a lot of improving to do. A lot of relentless hard work. A lot of pain on the training ground, morning and afternoon. A lot of tedious attention to detail and striving for perfection. But that is what success is about. And what we have right now is what makes "also rans". The aim each week shouldn't be to beat teams but to destroy them - to break their spirit with our football not just for this time but the time afterwards.

Our passing should be so good, so fast and so accurate that it's frightening. And that requires attitude. From the manager, from the coach and from everyone and everything to do with the club.Losing shouldn't just hurt. It should tear us apart. Forget the schoolyard philosophy. There is only one purpose to being a professional sportsman. And that is to win.

I agree with you actually, Sven said pre-season that they had been analyzing both Norwich and QPR, and basically taking what he believed was the best of both for his own, and create a formidable championship team. On paper I don't think anybody will argue that our team is a premiership team. However on the pitch we certainly haven't got the same traits as QPR and Norwich adopted last season. For instance the QPR at the then walkers was a prime example of how you win games in the championship, they didn't play to their best but they did enough to unhinge us some how by possibly believing that they would beat us. Now I believe that Nugent is as good if not as better as Mackie, so why are we not having the same effect as QPR? There is believing you can beat an opposition, and expecting you will beat an opposition. I get the impression that the players expect to win every game because of who they all are, a typical trait of a team full of individuals, where as QPR most likely believed that they could beat every team but not without knowing every other players roles within the team. We don't seem to have that otherwise we would not have lost against Birmingham, it was so evident that we had the better players, yet it was evident that from the second half whistle Birmingham believed they would beat us. There is one trait that QPR, Norwich and Swansea all had....that was ruthlessness I've seen this once against Derby.

[Guest Col city fan]

Thinking about where we are at present has little to do with our points or place in the League because we all know there's a long way to go. But here's my take.

Sven has been here 46 games (effectively a full season) and had carte blanche to spend a lot of money on the players he wishes. He's brought his own coach and seems

to have a completely free reign managerially. The backing he's had, in every way, has been brilliant.

So what do we have for the investment apart from a team that is further down the league than when Pearson left?

a) We have several excellent new players:- Kasper, Mills, Bamba and Nugent. I'd add that Schlupp seems to be emerging as a decent talent. The rest are unproven.

b) We've also had a lot of publicity and have a lot of expectations.

But that's about it.

What we don't have is this:

a) A team that is properly balanced in all areas and able to function fluidly.

b) Tactics which bring the best out of our players, particularly away from home.

c) A 100% positive philosophy of setting out to score enough goals to win every game whether we succeed or not.

d) A consistent policy of pressing the game high up the pitch.

e) Wingers in the team with the pace and skill to unsettle defences and with the ability to make themselves available for passes from our central midfielders.

f) Full-backs with the ability not only to get forward but to deliver telling final passes when they do.

g) A strike partnership which works for one another and shows the capability of scoring the 40-odd goals between them necessary to win promotion.

h) Wide players in defence or attack who can deliver the sort of accurate, constructive and varied final passes which will create opportunities for our main strikers.

i) A free-kick/corner specialist who can make things happen with deadly effect.

j) The tactical acumen and attention to detail necessary to enable our dominant centre-backs to score goals from set plays.

k) Assumption that ouir team will move forward and back as a unit whether we play at home or away.

l) Determination to always get sufficient players in the

opposing penalty box to give ourselves a chance of finishing moves with a goal.

m) An attitude that when we score once, our focus should always be on scoring again.

n) A meritocracy whereby people who play well retain their place in the team or squad.

o) The sort of fitness levels which will enable us to maintain pressure at home or away for 90 minutes.

p) Players in every position who show themselves capable of affecting games for the better. Being safe or merely competent is not enough.

q) Sufficient potential marksmen in the team to give us a reasonable chance of scoring two goals or more both at home and away.

r) Full-backs and/or midfielders with the pace to turn defence into attack quickly.

s) Ruthlessness - a clear determination to impose our terms onto every game.

t) A what-if strategy whereby potential events - particularly setbacks - are acknowledged and the players clear in their mind beforehand how to respond.

u) Attention to detail so that nothing is wasted be it a throw-in, corner, free-kick, penalty and nothing is given

away unnecessarily.

v) Ability to change but always with purpose. For instance, if two strikers don't work, use three!

w) Selflessness. A willingness of all players to pass and move with conviction and sometimes to make selfless runs designed to do nothing but create time and space for others.

x) A collective responsibility for shooting and benefitting from the possibility of rebounds. Too many of our players

hardly ever shoot.

y) Variety - the ability and willingness to recognise that if something is not working the approach needs to change. For instance, high, floated crosses are virtually pointless with our forwards. They are not big natural aerial predators so we must play to the strengths and deliver passes which are appropriate.

z) Winning mentality. This is the desire, so often expressed by Kasper, but which needs to run through the entire team.

The desire to be best at everything, everywhere. We should recognise opposition strengths and negate them. Recognise our own on the day and exploit them. Impose our will on every situation to the point where our very appearance makes a statement.

That's a lot of improving to do. A lot of relentless hard work. A lot of pain on the training ground, morning and afternoon. A lot of tedious attention to detail and striving for perfection. But that is what success is about. And what we

have right now is what makes "also rans". The aim each week shouldn't be to beat teams but to destroy them - to break their spirit with our football not just for this time but the time afterwards.

Our passing should be so good, so fast and so accurate that it's frightening. And that requires attitude. From the manager, from the coach and from everyone and everything to do with the club.Losing shouldn't just hurt. It

should tear us apart. Forget the schoolyard philosophy. There is only one purpose to being a professional sportsman. And that is to win.

Oh for fooks sake you might be right but you don't half go on!

I pity Mrs Thracian.. But I bet she's learnt to 'switch off'

[Thracian]

I pity Mrs Thracian.. But I bet she's learnt to 'switch off'

She certainly threatened to switch off Sunday's football!

[Kitchandro]

Well the league isn't won on just away games, is it? What we've actually got is 13 points from 21 during that seven game period, which is promotion form (over a season that'd equate to 85 points - 1 more than Norwich got last season). And yes, I know that we've lost games before and since, but however you look at it, that is a good run of form.

And so what if we're not in the top six just now? We're eleven games in and currently 2 (yes that's right, TWO) points off Brighton in fifth and only 5 off West Ham in second. We're hardly sitting in a disastrous position, are we? A 2-5 point gap at this stage of the season means absolutely nothing, so I'm not gonna get as worked up about it as some people on here seem to be.

So would you be one of those who says the league places are misleading at this 'early' stage? Yet you're using league points as an argument?

In any case, how do you propose we make up those 5 points on West Ham playing the way we are? Especially if we go to Upton Park and play negatively again and lose (which is quite likely)?

My concerns are more down to performances than anything else. This unbeaten run stuff is an argument that merely papers over the cracks of an underperforming team. Anyone watching our away games and thinking we are promotion contenders is deluded.

We WILL need to be better away if we want to go up, performance and points wise.

[Kitchandro]

I love when people use a point of 'he's been here a year and the team is a shambles' nonsense.

Conveniently forgetting every time that we had wholesale changes in the team over the summer. STOP repeating a point that has no basis on the team we started THIS season with. It's not been a true year! He had to start almost from scratch to rebuild the team.

Remarkable turning of facts!

I expect us to be performing more consistently and was happy to have an unbeaten run and thought we may well be able to build a bit steam. We were on the cards for a draw in my view. A couple of awful decisions went against us on Sunday, we had two players who made unnecessary tackles, and we went down to ten men giving the impetus to Brum, who had a sniff. Up to that point they had nothing.

I have always said that by the end of October if we don't look like potential contenders then I will start to be more harsh on the team and more critical of Sven. I would hope that the home games we have upcoming will allow Beckford and the team put that result behind us and get back on track.

But I have to say that there are always the creeps who come out of the shadows to shout 'I told you so' but for numerous weeks didn't post a note. Not one single posting.

Also on a side note I see Col City has his flip flops back on. It's too cold mate, time to get some sturdy plimsoles or summat

So is he not responsible for the amount of players he's brought in then? Is that not his choice? Was he not aware that promotion was the requirement this season?

You make it sound as if he came into the job a year ago with the briefing to keep us up, and then this season to push on, and then 24 hours before we played Coventry this August Top walked into his office and said 'ooh, by the way Sven, you know we gave you all that money to spend and all, well we forgot to mention that we're expecting promotion this season.'

Sven was well aware that he was expected to form a team capable of finishing in the top 2. He went about getting his team together the way he wanted to. He was well aware that the season started in August and he was well aware that he needed to get them ready before a quarter of the season was gone.

He has been in charge since last October, he's had 2 transfer windows to build his team. Now you may say he used loans last season in a desperate attempt to get us up but that didn't work did it. That is not an excuse either.

I think we need another poll because I really wonder how many Leicester fans think the play-offs or even midtable is OK.

And whatever you say about decisions on Sunday - even if the sending off and the penalty were wrong (and I appreciate you don't seem to be referring to those) but even if they were wrong decisions from the referee, it still shouldn't cover up what was a shocking performance from us. Birmingham were poor too but that doesn't mean we were any good.

[Callabinho]

With money we have spent anything less than 6th place will ultimately be a failure end of.

[Kitchandro]

With money we have spent anything less than 6th place will ultimately be a failure end of.

I don't want to be picky but if we finish 3rd and lose in the play-offs I'd still consider it a failure

[Dan]

I agree with Thracian but I'm not being funny here, if we did all of those things - we'd beat Barcelona. We're in the Championship, there's simply no way we'll be able to buy a team that'd be able to cover all of those qualities. However, I love his thinking.

The whole Sven/anti-Sven argument. Lets face the facts.

We're not winners, 4-4-3, pathetic for a team with this much spent on it.

We still don't know our best system - despite having not too far off our own pick of this league and even some of the Premiership's players.

We haven't tried to win an away game all season. Sven "fear of failure is the greatest barrier to success", nice one, I agree, so why does he fear failure?

Say what you like, last year, we assembled a strong side. I don't want to hear this gelling nonsense, our team last year could've made the top 6, even with Sousa's early faltering.

We hide behind the facts. You can say a few things which makes us sound brilliant, I could've gone "we were unbeaten in 7, hadn't conceded in 4 games all against top 6 sides, we've beaten 3 of the top 6". Statistically, we can sound good. Realistically, we're completely ordinary.

What do I see for the future? Not a lot, a repeat of last season. Even if we win 7-0 tomorrow, it changes nothing for me, what if we do win 7-0, and then take a negative mentality to West Ham? And go for the 0-0, and lose? We're back to square one. Tomorrow as far as I'm concerned, anything but a win is a disaster, it's Bristol all over again. If we went to somewhere like West Ham and won, I'll give my big praise, we're not particularly expected to win there, but even if we win comfortably tomorrow I'm not going to get carried away in the slightest because I know full-well we could back it up with more negative shit.

[Nick]

All to early for this malarky still.

A win tonight won't get us in the top six yet we will be two points off auto promotion second place slot.

Calm down Dears.

I have always wanted to play with more width rather than as we do, however without any real wingers with a cross on them it's not gonna happen.

Quality of free kicks has been gash too - konchesky may need a rest from this responsibility.

I'm hoping SsL has a good game tonight otherwise I want big T in there.

[Ric Flair]

Thracian, you're asking for far, far, far too much. I mean sure, that's what we all hope for, but some of the points you made are ridiculous.

For example, (as I'm not going to reply to every point), you want fullbacks who constantly support the team going forward, can quickly turn defence into attack, can defend and have the ability to deliver great crosses all the time. We had Kyle who could do all of this, and guess what? He's now playing in the Premier League. The same situation applies to the point you made about wingers. We're still in the Championship, we're not going to be able to buy a winger who has the pace to unsettle defences and "can deliver the sort of accurate, constructive and varied final passes which will create opportunities for our main strikers." Those kinds of players play in the top divisions, and stay there.

You seem to prefer the gung-ho approach, such as "you score four and we'll score five." Sven obviously had to sort out the defence as we leaked two goals in five games in a row, and this seems to have had a detrimental effect on the attack. Not entirely suprising as there had to be an emphasis on the defence, we just need to find the balance now and I believe he will.

I agree with most of what you've said, but you're asking for way too much and to blame Sven for not sorting out some of the issues you've mentioned (such as the two above) is going too far.

Absolute bollocks sunshine. You can still find these sorts of players, even if the cream often rises to the top. Our full-backs are competent, but going forward they really lack the ability to make a killer cross and without any form of wingers this is hindering our success.

[blueharmie]

that thracian bloke what ver your name is. you wanna

a get a life

or

b get a woman.

thankyou

[wellyfox]

Absolute bollocks sunshine. You can still find these sorts of players, even if the cream often rises to the top. Our full-backs are competent, but going forward they really lack the ability to make a killer cross and without any form of wingers this is hindering our success.

To many times sunday we had the chance to put in a cross.

And what did we do pass back or side ways ending up with the ball back in our half.

We never put brum under pressure and we played at walking pace.

But it was not just crosses from open play we cant even cross from a dead ball.

Corners are shite.

[Simmo86]

that thracian bloke what ver your name is. you wanna

a get a life

or

b get a woman.

thankyou

:crylaugh:

Maybe you should get an education

[blueharmie]

:crylaugh:

Maybe you should get an education

sorry are you his lover?

[Simmo86]

sorry are you his lover?

No I'm his bitch!