I am Rod Hull Posted 20 October 2011 Posted 20 October 2011 Oil is GOD !!! Why do you think we`re in Afghanistan ? To protect the oil pipe lines by any chance... The world has`nt changed in 3000 years. The strong look after their own interests and write the history... The West backed Iraq in their war against Iran. When Iraq won they were skint and the USA made the Saudi`s and Kuwait drop the oil price. This fooked Iraq up somewhat and Saddam asked the USA if they`d intervene if Iraq invaded Kuwait. The USA said no, the rest is history.... And African counties in civil wars are armed by other nations to kick the shite out of each other so we can take their natural resources.... Life`s a bitch....
I am Rod Hull Posted 20 October 2011 Posted 20 October 2011 We can argue about the semantics, but there are few leaders who doesn't have blood on his/her hands. Gaddafi had his short-comings, but he was extremely pro-Africa and he protected and supported the minorities in Libya, and he wanted a long-term strategy which would make Africa self-sufficient. All current African leader are leeches and parasites [including the Arab Africans]. He was the best of a bad bunch. Libya had a decent standard of living. Watch it slide into the hands of backward thinking rebels who are supported by NATO and French. I really hope this backfires on France and they regret supplying weapons to the rebels. You just Godwinned this thread. You lost the argument. I`m not arguing... I know whats what mate.... I`m not blinded by the media circus... Unlike others... Peace...
Houdini Logic Posted 20 October 2011 Posted 20 October 2011 Now i'm not into this whole conspiracy theory stuff, but when you stand back and think that the three most recent countries we've 'liberated' are Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, with some of the atrocities happening in other regimes/countries, you'd have to be a complete fool to think this was actually about liberation and democracy.
Houdini Logic Posted 20 October 2011 Posted 20 October 2011 We can argue about the semantics, but there are few leaders who doesn't have blood on his/her hands. Gaddafi had his short-comings, but he was extremely pro-Africa and he protected and supported the minorities in Libya, and he wanted a long-term strategy which would make Africa self-sufficient. All current African leader are leeches and parasites [including the Arab Africans]. He was the best of a bad bunch. Libya had a decent standard of living. Watch it slide into the hands of backward thinking rebels who are supported by NATO and French. I really hope this backfires on France and they regret supplying weapons to the rebels. Now I wasn't in favour of going into Libya, but it was certainly not for any of the bullshit reasons posted above
breadandcheese Posted 20 October 2011 Posted 20 October 2011 We can argue about the semantics, but there are few leaders who doesn't have blood on his/her hands. Gaddafi had his short-comings, but he was extremely pro-Africa and he protected and supported the minorities in Libya, and he wanted a long-term strategy which would make Africa self-sufficient. All current African leader are leeches and parasites [including the Arab Africans]. He was the best of a bad bunch. Libya had a decent standard of living. Watch it slide into the hands of backward thinking rebels who are supported by NATO and French. I really hope this backfires on France and they regret supplying weapons to the rebels. I think you're prepared to gloss over just quite how vile this man was. He tortured his own people. He killed his own people. He supplied money, arms, support, logistics to terrorist groups (the sort of thing you are usually opposed to). He denied his people the freedom to self-determine. If he was Western, you would be slamming him. I'm not saying we were right to support the NTC nor that they will be better. All indications are that they will be just as bad, however, that's not a reason to salute Gaddafi.
Rincewind Posted 20 October 2011 Posted 20 October 2011 how many more 'bad leaders' are going to be taken out? Do America and Britain have a hit list? would be interesting who is on it.
Thracian Posted 20 October 2011 Posted 20 October 2011 Oil is GOD !!! Why do you think we`re in Afghanistan ? To protect the oil pipe lines by any chance... The world has`nt changed in 3000 years. The strong look after their own interests and write the history... The West backed Iraq in their war against Iran. When Iraq won they were skint and the USA made the Saudi`s and Kuwait drop the oil price. This fooked Iraq up somewhat and Saddam asked the USA if they`d intervene if Iraq invaded Kuwait. The USA said no, the rest is history.... And African counties in civil wars are armed by other nations to kick the shite out of each other so we can take their natural resources.... Life`s a bitch.... I thought it was China plundering much of Africa's resources! http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/nov2009/afch-n16.shtml
Father Ted Posted 20 October 2011 Posted 20 October 2011 Im with Kareem. Lets start with Tony Blair the antichrist who has well and truly ****ed the world up single handedly. He fcuked up the Balkan states, fcuked with Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan. Is it really any surprise he was appointed envoy to the middle east the moment he resigned? Not at all because theyve got oil which = money. Since then we have seen trouble in various countries like Syria and Libya. Blair stirred the rebels and now the trouble begins whilst we get more oil. NATO are wankers as well, biased cnuts. I also understand that the French and Italians borrowed large amounts of money from Libya during the recent economic troubles... Any surprise that they then cause shit with Libya hoping to get away with not having to pay it back. Secondly, look at what Gadaffi has provided for the Libyans, best standard of life in Africa and on par with some Central European countries. A life expectancy nearly at 80. So why would the rebels cause such a stir all of a sudden? Doesnt add up to me. Certain countries have a lot to answer for but as usual will get away with it. They are the real dictators. Will we ever see Blair, Bush or Clinton in the Hague?? Doubt it very much.
Zingari Posted 20 October 2011 Posted 20 October 2011 He must have been quite a modest man, only giving himself the title of Colonel . If I was a dictator of a country, I’d be tempted to call myself a Field Marshall, Admiral or at least a General . Calling yourself a colonel is inviting trouble
z-layrex Posted 20 October 2011 Posted 20 October 2011 High quality video of his corpse (graphic obviously).
Rincewind Posted 20 October 2011 Posted 20 October 2011 More likely killed off those with a higher rank. Someone just as bad will take over. They are still running around with guns. Some people enjoy it and the children are brought up to accept it.
Houdini Logic Posted 20 October 2011 Posted 20 October 2011 Secondly, look at what Gadaffi has provided for the Libyans, best standard of life in Africa and on par with some Central European countries. A life expectancy nearly at 80. So why would the rebels cause such a stir all of a sudden? Doesnt add up to me. Certain countries have a lot to answer for but as usual will get away with it. They are the real dictators. Will we ever see Blair, Bush or Clinton in the Hague?? Doubt it very much. Unless you were a student in the 70's or 80's where you were hanged in public for not following his green book ideology. You're a clown and if you want to debate this then you're going to lose. I agree that Blair et al should be held accountable and responsible, but to admit that you salute this guy is a disgrace
EnderbyFox Posted 20 October 2011 Posted 20 October 2011 High quality video of his corpse (graphic obviously). Morbid, not quite as grotesque as the video that got leaked showing a Rebel beheading one of Gaddafi's men though.
Father Ted Posted 20 October 2011 Posted 20 October 2011 Unless you were a student in the 70's or 80's where you were hanged in public for not following his green book ideology. You're a clown and if you want to debate this then you're going to lose. I agree that Blair et al should be held accountable and responsible, but to admit that you salute this guy is a disgrace im a clown for opening my eyes and perhaps seeing reality? Dont know how many times it has to be said but dont believe everything you see in the news.
Houdini Logic Posted 20 October 2011 Posted 20 October 2011 im a clown for opening my eyes and perhaps seeing reality? Dont know how many times it has to be said but dont believe everything you see in the news. That's where I've gone wrong - I've spent too many years reading newspapers, websites and books and forming my own opinion , when all along I should have just followed your lead and made it up. Great plan.
jonthefox Posted 20 October 2011 Posted 20 October 2011 how many more 'bad leaders' are going to be taken out? Do America and Britain have a hit list? would be interesting who is on it. Mugabe i hope.
Father Ted Posted 20 October 2011 Posted 20 October 2011 That's where I've gone wrong - I've spent too many years reading newspapers, websites and books and forming my own opinion , when all along I should have just followed your lead and made it up. Great plan. Yeah, so I've made it up now People like you make me laugh, watch the news on BBC at 10 o'clock and suddenly that's how the world is and everybody else who suggests its not is wrong.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 21 October 2011 Posted 21 October 2011 Mugabe i hope. Well said sir! Let us pray for the day.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 21 October 2011 Posted 21 October 2011 Does no one else find the way he was killed without standing trial a little disconcerting? If the rebel leaders are happy to let this happen to a man who was the main figurehead of their enemy, it makes me wonder what other attrocities have been allowed and what will be allowed in the future. It worries me immensely what kind of leadership they will now have. Kareem is right, this country could now end up like another Iraq or Afghanistan with various factions waging war against each other for years to come. As the saying goes, it is better the devil you know than the devil you don't. I am not for one minute putting Gaddafi up on a pedestal as some of the things that have hapened with him in charge are horrific, such as Lockerbie but there seems no structure to who will now be in charge. Does anyone even know if the newly appointed figurehead will have full support from all the different factions within Afghanistan?
The Year Of The Fox Posted 21 October 2011 Posted 21 October 2011 im a clown for opening my eyes and perhaps seeing reality? Dont know how many times it has to be said but dont believe everything you see in the news. Don't believe all these conspiracy theories you've found on YouTube either.
Guest MattP Posted 21 October 2011 Posted 21 October 2011 He's absolutely bastard for Lockerbie and arming the IRA. Apart from that I didnt mind him, he wasnt the anywhere near the worst leader on the planet and we actually might have supported some very iffy people here, according to the Times Benghazi had many citizens who have travelled over to the Asia to fight for Al Queda etc, we might have just actually marched a huge group of people who subcribe to that ideology right onto the doorstep of Europe with considerable power at their disposal. Lets face it Tony Blair and his Labour cronies have massacred far more Muslims than Gaddafi could of ever dreamed of with their foriegn policy over the last 12 years.
Houdini Logic Posted 21 October 2011 Posted 21 October 2011 Yeah, so I've made it up now People like you make me laugh, watch the news on BBC at 10 o'clock and suddenly that's how the world is and everybody else who suggests its not is wrong. Get your brush out and start tarring, eh? Because I don't think Gaddafi should be saluted I suddenly get all my information from the BBC and can't form my own opinion? If you took your head out of your deluded arse then maybe you'd see my post (in this thread!) which said 'you'd have to be a complete fool to think this was actually about liberation and democracy' and that 'I wasn't in favour of going into Libya'. Of course not, that would be too convenient and you'd actually have to get involved in conversation then about the subject rather than hiding behind your 'whole world is brainwashed and doesn't understand' attitude
Master Fox Posted 21 October 2011 Posted 21 October 2011 He should probably wear protective lotion for his skin while sunbathing there.
breadandcheese Posted 21 October 2011 Posted 21 October 2011 He's absolutely bastard for Lockerbie and arming the IRA. Apart from that I didnt mind him, he wasnt the anywhere near the worst leader on the planet and we actually might have supported some very iffy people here, according to the Times Benghazi had many citizens who have travelled over to the Asia to fight for Al Queda etc, we might have just actually marched a huge group of people who subcribe to that ideology right onto the doorstep of Europe with considerable power at their disposal. Lets face it Tony Blair and his Labour cronies have massacred far more Muslims than Gaddafi could of ever dreamed of with their foriegn policy over the last 12 years. I would say that you don't consider him anywhere near the worst leader on the planet, precisely because he did not have the means to increase his influence. Gaddafi was a narcissistic kleptomaniac. He claimed his daughter was killed in an American airstrike as a young child, but is apparently alive working as a doctor in Tripoli. The best way to show off Gaddafi for what he was is in his own words. Here are some choice quotes: "There is no state with a democracy except Libya on the whole planet." "I am an international leader, the dean of the Arab rulers, the king of kings of Africa and the imam of Muslims, and my international status does not allow me to descend to a lower level." "Libya is an African country. May Allah help the Arabs and keep them away from us. We don't want anything to do with them. They did not fight with us against the Italians, and they did not fight with us against the Americans. They did not lift the sanctions and siege from us. On the contrary, they gloated at us, and benefited from our hardship…" "I am not such a dictator that I would shut down facebook. I merely imprison anyone who logs into it." "Protest however you want, but do not go onto the streets and squares." I put this up as I think it completely wrong to try to lionise or present Gaddafi as anything other than what he was, which is a kleptomaniac dictator who killed, stole and murdered his own people. I mean, what is the difference between Gaddafi and Assad in Syria? Very little, the only thing is that one had their uprising aided by Western airstrikes, the other didn't. The only reasonable assumption I can make is that one is saluted because the West is helping to depose him, the other is not. If my assumption is right, then that's very poor. There's no doubt Gaddafi should have stood trial, to face justice, and it reflects badly on the future of Libya that those fighting for it seemed to "kill him in a crossfire" when video footage clearly shows him captured. I don't think we should have helped the NTC in Libya, as I don't think they support democracy, but as I say, to salute Gaddafi is ridiculous and reminds me of Galloway's sycophantic saluting of Saddam Hussein.
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