Gaddafi killed/captured

[I am Rod Hull]

how many more 'bad leaders' are going to be taken out? Do America and Britain have a hit list? would be interesting who is on it.

Mugabe i hope.

Dont count on it...Zimbabwe doesnt have any oil...

[MC Prussian]

Dont count on it...Zimbabwe doesnt have any oil...

There's always Platinum and Diamonds.

[I am Rod Hull]

There's always Platinum and Diamonds.

Lets hope for Mugabe`s sake someone doesnt invent a diamond fueled car...

[acooling08]

I was happy he died in fear and pain. He deserved it for what he did for so many years.

[Babylon]

Looky likey? Or is it just me.

[Bellend Sebastian]

My other half said last night that the youthful Gaddafi was 'quite attractive'.

I'll be made to buy a cream coloured army uniform next, just you wait

[Zingari]

My other half said last night that the youthful Gaddafi was 'quite attractive'.

I'll be made to buy a cream coloured army uniform next, just you wait

will you be putting a tent up inside your house?

[MrSpaM]

Does no one else find the way he was killed without standing trial a little disconcerting? If the rebel leaders are happy to let this happen to a man who was the main figurehead of their enemy, it makes me wonder what other attrocities have been allowed and what will be allowed in the future.

It worries me immensely what kind of leadership they will now have. Kareem is right, this country could now end up like another Iraq or Afghanistan with various factions waging war against each other for years to come. As the saying goes, it is better the devil you know than the devil you don't.

I am not for one minute putting Gaddafi up on a pedestal as some of the things that have hapened with him in charge are horrific, such as Lockerbie but there seems no structure to who will now be in charge. Does anyone even know if the newly appointed figurehead will have full support from all the different factions within Afghanistan?

Don't think it was quite that simple to be honest. The rebels despised him to the highest degree, if they got to him first, they'd have been crawling over each other to be able to claim they were the one that shot and killed him. Nobody in that country wanted to see him stand trial, they all just wanted him dead.

I think your right in being concerned about what might happen in the future though. The country has never really seen a proper government before, so it'l be intresting to see if it works now, or wether rival factions just start fighting over power and we have another warlord vs warlord situation.

[Bellend Sebastian]

will you be putting a tent up inside your house?

This is a home of simple pleasures, there will be no tent pitching here.

Did you see John Simpson talking about him? He reckoned Gaddafi would throw his head back and laugh at every single question, however mundane. I'm going to start doing that everytime someone asks me something. It's going to be ace

[Zingari]

This is a home of simple pleasures, there will be no tent pitching here.

Did you see John Simpson talking about him? He reckoned Gaddafi would throw his head back and laugh at every single question, however mundane. I'm going to start doing that everytime someone asks me something. It's going to be ace

Is that the interview when Simpson said that when Gaddaffi asked an aide what time it was , the reply was " what time

do you want it to be ? "

but maybe this was just a joke by Simpson

[AoWW]

My other half said last night that the youthful Gaddafi was 'quite attractive'.

I'll be made to buy a cream coloured army uniform next, just you wait

Hmm, what's Foxy Peter's opinion on this?

[Father Ted]

Get your brush out and start tarring, eh?

Because I don't think Gaddafi should be saluted I suddenly get all my information from the BBC and can't form my own opinion?

If you took your head out of your deluded arse then maybe you'd see my post (in this thread!) which said 'you'd have to be a complete fool to think this was actually about liberation and democracy' and that 'I wasn't in favour of going into Libya'.

Of course not, that would be too convenient and you'd actually have to get involved in conversation then about the subject rather than hiding behind your 'whole world is brainwashed and doesn't understand' attitude

Go on then, tell me where I claimed that Gaddafi should be saluted? I simply stated the facts in what he has achieved for Libya and now you're claiming I salute him? Its quite clear here that we agree on the part that you stated there from your previous post but disagree about Gadaffi and this is where you should get your deluded head out of your arse. Since Gadaffi took over, the average life expectancy has increased by 24 (TWENTY-FOUR) years, in the 15 years after Gadaffi took over, the number of doctors and dentists in Libya multiplied seven-fold. He has turned Libya into a country that is self-sufficient, with a high standard of living. He may have been a strict dictator and he may have increased stricter Islamic views on to the country but by all means that is not a bad thing. You don't see the drink and drug culture you see in countries like this, you don't see people sleeping around and the term 'slag' which is often commonly used in this country, I really doubt it is used in Libya. He has created civilised, self-disciplined people yet the rebels are the ones who want to have a 'Western' life.

As for my attitude, that is my opinion that I have formed, 'can't I form my own opinion?' They will never emphasise what he has done for his country but simply what he has done against it purely because certain people have/had plans to get rid of him for their own needs.

Don't believe all these conspiracy theories you've found on YouTube either.

You don't half make me laugh Stu.

[I am Rod Hull]

Next stop Syria ?

[Koke]

Remember during Apartheid South Africa when everybody in the free world was calling Mandela & ANC terrorists, Gaddafi was one of the few who actually supported and helped them end the apartheid. Gaddafi is loved in the southern part of Africa because he funding and armed the anti-apartheid movements. Mandela's grandson is named after Muammar Gaddafi.

Me saying I "salute" him was just a figure of speech. I'm sad that he died. He had many short-comings and made many blunders. But his nationalism and Pan-Africanism can never be questioned.

This is what Nelson Mandela said about Gaddafi

"Those who feel irritated by our [south Africa] friendship with President Gaddafi can go jump in the pool," he said.

"It was pure expediency to call on democratic South Africa to turn its back on Libya and [Col] Gaddafi, who had assisted us in obtaining democracy."

[Houdini Logic]

Go on then, tell me where I claimed that Gaddafi should be saluted? I simply stated the facts in what he has achieved for Libya and now you're claiming I salute him? Its quite clear here that we agree on the part that you stated there from your previous post but disagree about Gadaffi and this is where you should get your deluded head out of your arse. Since Gadaffi took over, the average life expectancy has increased by 24 (TWENTY-FOUR) years, in the 15 years after Gadaffi took over, the number of doctors and dentists in Libya multiplied seven-fold. He has turned Libya into a country that is self-sufficient, with a high standard of living. He may have been a strict dictator and he may have increased stricter Islamic views on to the country but by all means that is not a bad thing. You don't see the drink and drug culture you see in countries like this, you don't see people sleeping around and the term 'slag' which is often commonly used in this country, I really doubt it is used in Libya. He has created civilised, self-disciplined people yet the rebels are the ones who want to have a 'Western' life.

I think you should be more careful when you come on to a forum and brashly declare 'I'm with Kareem' without actually reading his post of 'I salute you, sir. You were the most pro-Africa African since Thomas Sankara. You were true to your words when you said you were gonna die in your home country.'

I'll put it as an oversight on your part, and not that you're trying to back-track.

By supporting Africa do you mean supplying chemical weapons to Somalia? That sure sorted out their country. What about waging unjust wars on Chad and Uganda and sending thousands of Libyans to their death (not even mentioning his declaration of war on Switzerland because they'd arrested his son for beating up his servant). People talk about how great he was to countries like Mali, and how he helped the tribes and gave them some sort of infrastructure - well have a word (or read an article) with someone from southern Mali who actually says that Gaddafi was arming Northern terrorists against them in a vain attempt to take over their country and Africa in general. Gaddafi was a dictator and his vision wasn't to unite Africa, it was to take over it. He tried to get any country or group on board who would accept him. This was evident several weeks ago when the merceneries disappeared after money dried up.

And without going too far into your nonsensical argument, do you genuinely think the fact Libya isn't full of 'slags' is something which makes it superior to ours?! It is shocking that you're overlooking the blatent opression of women in the country, inlcluding the disgracfeul act of female genital mutilation - something I seem to remember Gaddafi made compulsory for all of his female body guards. I know a lot of women in this country and they're not slags, though long may they have the choice to be.

But let's ignore all of that and pretend I agree with you about Gaddafi's work in his country (I'll even overlook the fact he changed the currency unannounced, effectively confiscating all personal assets), how about I mention a nice little moustached chap who unified his country, provided jobs and opportunities for thousands of people, and gave the country hope for the economy following a pretty nasty Treaty. Did that excuse the attrocities that followed? Should we overlook Gadaffi's wars, assasinations, public executions and injustice because he increased the amount of doctors in the country?

Behave...

[Houdini Logic]

Remember during Apartheid South Africa when everybody in the free world was calling Mandela & ANC terrorists, Gaddafi was one of the few who actually supported and helped them end the apartheid. Gaddafi is loved in the southern part of Africa because he funding and armed the anti-apartheid movements. Mandela's grandson is named after Muammar Gaddafi.

Me saying I "salute" him was just a figure of speech. I'm sad that he died. He had many short-comings and made many blunders. But his nationalism and Pan-Africanism can never be questioned.

This is what Nelson Mandela said about Gaddafi

"Those who feel irritated by our [south Africa] friendship with President Gaddafi can go jump in the pool," he said.

"It was pure expediency to call on democratic South Africa to turn its back on Libya and [Col] Gaddafi, who had assisted us in obtaining democracy."

Didn't Gaddafi pay for Mandela's election campiagn?

The same as he largely funded the AU, where his title Africa's 'King of Kings' comes from?

And yet it's me who's being told to open my eyes...

[Master Fox]

You don't see the drink and drug culture you see in countries like this, you don't see people sleeping around and the term 'slag' which is often commonly used in this country, I really doubt it is used in Libya.

Best thing about the West and UK in my opinion. Why are you commenting on a topic you absolutely have no idea about. I pretty much guarantee you know F CUK all about Libya their people's behaviour.

I'm not sure what we'd do without our drink, drugs, and slags. It's pretty much all we have left.

You're one of these people who wants to take anything 'fun' away from other people’s lives. Here's some advice for you, shut up and go away. Nobody wants to hear your miserable boring views on the world.

[Koke]

I would say that you don't consider him anywhere near the worst leader on the planet, precisely because he did not have the means to increase his influence.

Gaddafi was a narcissistic kleptomaniac. He claimed his daughter was killed in an American airstrike as a young child, but is apparently alive working as a doctor in Tripoli.

The best way to show off Gaddafi for what he was is in his own words. Here are some choice quotes:

"There is no state with a democracy except Libya on the whole planet."

"I am an international leader, the dean of the Arab rulers, the king of kings of Africa and the imam of Muslims, and my international status does not allow me to descend to a lower level."

"Libya is an African country. May Allah help the Arabs and keep them away from us. We don't want anything to do with them. They did not fight with us against the Italians, and they did not fight with us against the Americans. They did not lift the sanctions and siege from us. On the contrary, they gloated at us, and benefited from our hardship…"

"I am not such a dictator that I would shut down facebook. I merely imprison anyone who logs into it."

"Protest however you want, but do not go onto the streets and squares."

I put this up as I think it completely wrong to try to lionise or present Gaddafi as anything other than what he was, which is a kleptomaniac dictator who killed, stole and murdered his own people. I mean, what is the difference between Gaddafi and Assad in Syria? Very little, the only thing is that one had their uprising aided by Western airstrikes, the other didn't. The only reasonable assumption I can make is that one is saluted because the West is helping to depose him, the other is not. If my assumption is right, then that's very poor.

There's no doubt Gaddafi should have stood trial, to face justice, and it reflects badly on the future of Libya that those fighting for it seemed to "kill him in a crossfire" when video footage clearly shows him captured. I don't think we should have helped the NTC in Libya, as I don't think they support democracy, but as I say, to salute Gaddafi is ridiculous and reminds me of Galloway's sycophantic saluting of Saddam Hussein.

He's certainly right about the bolded part.

You got to understand many people love this man for good reasons. In South Africa he's practically God to many of them. He is respected in Eritrea & Djibouti. In Somalia it's 50/50, many hate him and many respect him. In Mali they love him.

Many in the free world also hate Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez, but I'm sure they have many supporters in Latin America.

[Master Fox]

free world

Where did you get that one from champ?

[Houdini Logic]

Best thing about the West and UK in my opinion. Why are you commenting on a topic you absolutely have no idea about. I pretty much guarantee you know F CUK all about Libya their people's behaviour.

I'm not sure what we'd do without our drink, drugs, and slags. It's pretty much all we have left.

You're one of these people who wants to take anything 'fun' away from other people’s lives. Here's some advice for you, shut up and go away. Nobody wants to hear your miserable boring views on the world.

Dont worry MF - it's not all doom and gloom.

If you're male, abide by Gaddafi's rules and join the army, then they'll actually give you drugs

The prosecutor said there was even evidence that the government had been handing out doses of Viagra to soldiers to encourage sexual attacks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/08/gaddafi-forces-libya-britain-nato

[Koke]

I just went on twitter to see what South Africans thought of his death. Here's a sample.

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Anyone who supported us during apartheid is a true friend, including Gaddafi and Castro.

How can Gaddafi who contributed financially to ending apartheid in SA be anything but good? Another human misery...

In South Africa, #Gaddafi will always remain a hero of the people; he helped liberate this country when the West supported Apartheid.

Gaddafi evidently supported the forces of national liberation in South Africa. He stood for freedom and against apartheid.

While the West was still doing business with Apartheid South Africa, Gaddafi was fighting for us in the UN. Where was NATO then?

#Gaddafi was helping ANC and #Mandela when USA, Western Europeans and Israel where selling weapons to the racist Apartheid System of S.A.

"Gaddafi was a generous man, a humanist, known for his unselfish support for the struggle against apartheid in South Africa."

Whilst USA praised the apartheid regime in South Africa, Gaddafi participated actively to win freedom in that country #Gaddafi

[I am Rod Hull]

I just went on twitter to see what South Africans thought of his death. Here's a sample.

Go on twitter and see what the Lockerbie and IRA victims think of his death..

They`re probably quite forgiving... We`re like that you know...

[Koke]

Go on twitter and see what the Lockerbie and IRA victims think of his death..

They`re probably quite forgiving... We`re like that you know...

That's precisely my point. Some love him, others hate him.

[Zingari]

That's precisely my point. Some love him, others hate him.

Muammarmite Gaddafi

[Trav Le Bleu]

Zin has been missing these last few days and suddenly he resurfaces...