the terriers! Posted 31 October 2011 Author Posted 31 October 2011 just in reply to the fan that said he hasnt played in the champ'ship he has been part of past sunderland, fulham and newcastle team that got up to the PL so just because he hasnt mangaged in the champ'ship he certainly knows how to get out of it in fact he was the newcastle and fulham captain
Kitchandro Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 This is the kind of manager we could have appointed 5 years a go. It's the kind of appointment average Championship sides might make because they can't attract a proven one, so they take a chance on a young talent. If we go for Clark we have bypassed the safe options with credentials (Hughes and Davies) and have taken a massive gamble. For a club in our position, it would be crazy and an unnecessary risk. He hasn't even done that well at Huddersfield.
Stadt Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Clark isn't too keen on foreign players, there's only two non UK born players in the Huddersfiled squad.
Leicesterpool Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Clark isn't too keen on foreign players, there's only two non UK born players in the Huddersfiled squad. Well he should get on well with Yuki then
J.Lisemore Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 This is the kind of manager we could have appointed 5 years a go. It's the kind of appointment average Championship sides might make because they can't attract a proven one, so they take a chance on a young talent. If we go for Clark we have bypassed the safe options with credentials (Hughes and Davies) and have taken a massive gamble. For a club in our position, it would be crazy and an unnecessary risk. He hasn't even done that well at Huddersfield. I agree to an extent that it would be a gamble, but how would appointing Mark Hughes be any better than Lee Clark?...theve both got no managerial experience in the Championship . And how do you think these proven managers have proved themselves in the first place.. look how successful Brendan Rodgers, Chris Hughton, Brian McDermott and Paul Lambert have been over the last couple of years. Dougie Freedman also doing the business, my point is, is that going for the 'safe' option isn't always the way forward.
Narborough_fox Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Clark isn't too keen on foreign players, there's only two non UK born players in the Huddersfiled squad. Weale Peltier Ball Mills Kochesky Johnson Danns Wellens Nugent Dyer Beckford SUBS: Smith, Vassell, Kennedy, King, Howard. SORTED
Kitchandro Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 I agree to an extent that it would be a gamble, but how would appointing Mark Hughes be any better than Lee Clark?...theve both got no managerial experience in the Championship . And how do you think these proven managers have proved themselves in the first place.. look how successful Brendan Rodgers, Chris Hughton, Brian McDermott and Paul Lambert have been over the last couple of years. Dougie Freedman also doing the business, my point is, is that going for the 'safe' option isn't always the way forward. Hughes has at least been successful in the Premiership though. OK, he hasn't actually won anything, but Blackburn were performing out of their skin under him in truth. Clark has arguably underachieved at Huddersfield. And yes, young managers have to start somewhere, but not here, not now. We need promotion ASAP, we need someone proven, we can get somebody proven, why take a risk on someone who's not done that well so far in management?
Guest ttfn Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 The only worry is he's never played or managed at this level before. He's been promoted with Newcastle, Sunderland and Fulham. So not only has he played at this level before, he's been very successful.
Number 6 Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Wouldn't be disappointed with this appointment, unless it's with a DoF. If we're getting Clark let's give him complete control and let him do it his way.
Dan Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 I still don't understand it. Every single manager is a gamble, Hughes won't guarantee us success, nor will Clark, Solskjaer, Jones, Davies or Dowie, no-one GUARANTEES it.
STUHILL Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Everyone seems to be assuming that Clark is against the idea of KK as DOF. He may have actually been the one to suggest the idea. Apparently they had a great relationship at Newcastle and perhaps KK as been helping Clark in his career so far as I heard in an interview Clark keeps in contact with ex bosses regularly. KK doesnt seem the kind of DOF who would go behind a managers back either. He is all about the passionNN!! I think it might be good just to have an extra character around the place like a Keegan who would certainly put a smile on peoples faces and then I would expect Clark to just use him as a second pair of eyes and to bounce some ideas off etc In all honesty though. I think KK will end his days as a tv pundit! After Newcastle, not sure he would have the desire to take on another challenge and especially one as DOF, as he is all about hands-on and being involved in the training etc, which would surely result in him stepping on toes eventually.
Donut Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 This is the kind of manager we could have appointed 5 years a go. It's the kind of appointment average Championship sides might make because they can't attract a proven one, so they take a chance on a young talent. If we go for Clark we have bypassed the safe options with credentials (Hughes and Davies) and have taken a massive gamble. For a club in our position, it would be crazy and an unnecessary risk. He hasn't even done that well at Huddersfield. Agree that it is a risk, but to be fair though, you cannot predict what will happen in the future. A ''proven'' track record is no guarantee that it will continue with us, just as much as someone that is inexperienced in management couldnt come here and do a great job. We just perceive the manager with the track record as the safe option. We dont know how things will work out.
Al-aLondon-Foxile Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 There does seem to be some city fans that loved the Sven factor, and many believe that the owners want a big name replacement, and marquee type signings. Well i think they should look at the way Newcastle are doing their business right now. They don't have a fancy manager, in fact i'd bet that the majority of toon fans weren't happy with the appointment. That, together with the loss of Stephen Ireland, Andy Carroll, Joey Barton, Kevin Nolan, Jose Enrique etc over recent months adds up to quite a change in playing staff. Pardew hasn't struggled to make them gel?. I hope the owners look at this and go for a football man like Clark, he's as big a gamble as any other manager. You never know how its gonna pan out, there has to be so much chemistry to make the situation right, and prior record at a specific level won't guarantee any success in a new situation. Its man management and tactical ability that has produced consistent performances for Huddersfield, and i think he can transfer that to city.
STUHILL Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 There does seem to be some city fans that loved the Sven factor, and many believe that the owners want a big name replacement, and marquee type signings. Well i think they should look at the way Newcastle are doing their business right now. They don't have a fancy manager, in fact i'd bet that the majority of toon fans weren't happy with the appointment. That, together with the loss of Stephen Ireland, Andy Carroll, Joey Barton, Kevin Nolan, Jose Enrique etc over recent months adds up to quite a change in playing staff. Pardew hasn't struggled to make them gel?. I hope the owners look at this and go for a football man like Clark, he's as big a gamble as any other manager. You never know how its gonna pan out, there has to be so much chemistry to make the situation right, and prior record at a specific level won't guarantee any success in a new situation. Its man management and tactical ability that has produced consistent performances for Huddersfield, and i think he can transfer that to city. I'm not buying in to Newcastle's recent success. Think they will nose dive this season or next! You see it with teams all the time. Don't rate Pardew at all. I do see your point though!! Still prefer Hughes over Clark but if we get Clark, then I will back him 100%
He's not bald Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 The more I think about it the more I'm warming to Clark, let's face it pedigree matters little in the Championship it's all about passion, team spirit and a little luck thrown in for good measure, I'm convinced that at this point in time Lee Clark has as much chance of getting us promoted this season than anyone else (slim though that chance might be).
Kitchandro Posted 1 November 2011 Posted 1 November 2011 Agree that it is a risk, but to be fair though, you cannot predict what will happen in the future. A ''proven'' track record is no guarantee that it will continue with us, just as much as someone that is inexperienced in management couldnt come here and do a great job. We just perceive the manager with the track record as the safe option. We dont know how things will work out. Of course, but the owners are in the same boat as us, they can't see the future either. They can only appoint a manager in the hope that they do well, but their best guess is to appoint someone who has done well before, surely? I mean I know it's not the same, but it's no good appointing Shearer because he's good and could possibly do well. You've got to play the percentages as they say.
STUHILL Posted 1 November 2011 Posted 1 November 2011 Of course, but the owners are in the same boat as us, they can't see the future either. They can only appoint a manager in the hope that they do well, but their best guess is to appoint someone who has done well before, surely? I mean I know it's not the same, but it's no good appointing Shearer because he's good and could possibly do well. You've got to play the percentages as they say. True, although if I was an owner, you could always be tempted by your gut instinct about a character and I think Lee Clark in an interview would come across a lot stronger than someone like Davies or Hughes even. THe passionNNN from Clark could sway them to take a gamble. Top seems set on finding someone who will fire up the players, fans and himself! Clark fits that criteria I think
inckley fox Posted 1 November 2011 Posted 1 November 2011 Agree that it is a risk, but to be fair though, you cannot predict what will happen in the future. A ''proven'' track record is no guarantee that it will continue with us, just as much as someone that is inexperienced in management couldnt come here and do a great job. We just perceive the manager with the track record as the safe option. We dont know how things will work out. With retrospect we can see all the errors in our past appointments, but even based on what we know now it's hard to explain why people like Bassett, Holloway, Sousa and Sven did as badly as they did, when you look at how they've done elsewhere. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. On the other hand you can be in the right place at the right time - look how useless the likes of Little, McGhee and Adams have been everywhere else! At the time we appointed most of these people, back as far as Hamilton, Pleat, Taylor, Levein... they all looked like good appointments on paper. One of the most eyebrow-raising appointments in recent times has got to have been Pearson! Davies, Clark, Hughes - any one of them could be a disaster just as easily as he could be a legend.
eternal fox Posted 1 November 2011 Posted 1 November 2011 in 1995- 1996 lee clark had a big bust up with k k suppose to have made up ? :whistle:
foxes2011 Posted 1 November 2011 Posted 1 November 2011 tbh i think Clark is on the up but i would prefer a manager who has experience in the Championship, if we really tried i think we could get Pearson back, he is doing well for hull on no budget at all and already knows most of the Leicester players, he wouldnt struggle setling in because he has been here before, i think he would have a head start. If not id also like to see some others jones wouldnt be bad neither would davies but i think the key is employing someone this time and sticking with the person you employ, like derby have with Clough we need to stick with our managers for a change.
STUHILL Posted 1 November 2011 Posted 1 November 2011 With retrospect we can see all the errors in our past appointments, but even based on what we know now it's hard to explain why people like Bassett, Holloway, Sousa and Sven did as badly as they did, when you look at how they've done elsewhere. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. On the other hand you can be in the right place at the right time - look how useless the likes of Little, McGhee and Adams have been everywhere else! At the time we appointed most of these people, back as far as Hamilton, Pleat, Taylor, Levein... they all looked like good appointments on paper. One of the most eyebrow-raising appointments in recent times has got to have been Pearson! Davies, Clark, Hughes - any one of them could be a disaster just as easily as he could be a legend. Couldn't agree more!!! That's why whoever comes in, it's a fresh start for them and for Leicester and should be supported 100% whoever they are and then judged on performances and results after they have bedded in!! Hopefully, like you said, right place at the right time and it all just clicks!! just not Keane tho..... <_<
One Arm Babba Posted 1 November 2011 Posted 1 November 2011 The terriers is clearly a forest fan taking the piss. The rest of you, get real. From Sven to Lee clark - I'll eat a White dog turd! NIt gonna happen. Massively under qualified! Yeah he's done alright at Huddersfield.... On a healthier budget than most League 1 sides. He hasnt achieved anything though. So why on earth would an employer that wants premier league football in 2012, look down this route? I'm pissed by the way, so no aggro! Just saying! ;-)
STUHILL Posted 1 November 2011 Posted 1 November 2011 tbh i think Clark is on the up but i would prefer a manager who has experience in the Championship, if we really tried i think we could get Pearson back, he is doing well for hull on no budget at all and already knows most of the Leicester players, he wouldnt struggle setling in because he has been here before, i think he would have a head start. If not id also like to see some others jones wouldnt be bad neither would davies but i think the key is employing someone this time and sticking with the person you employ, like derby have with Clough we need to stick with our managers for a change. Unfortunately, that is never going to happen, especially now with our new owners and wealth. If anything, it has made a manager's time here more precarious as expectations for instant success are higher!! Also, fans will never give a manager time if they arent doing well. I would hardly say Sven's time at the club was a disaster and although we weren't looking the finished article, we weren't far off but it may have taken months to get there and fans and owners will never accept that, even if we are only 2 points from the playoffs. Shame really, as everyone wants stability, but very few have any patience. The new man, whoever it may be will come in, and be given the usual 10-15 games, depending on the fan, and then will be judged and if he doesnt have an instant impact, then we start all over again with people calling for his sacking........ Depressing thought really but think we are all getting used to it now!!!
CountesthorpeFox Posted 1 November 2011 Posted 1 November 2011 The terriers is clearly a forest fan taking the piss. The rest of you, get real. From Sven to Lee clark - I'll eat a White dog turd! NIt gonna happen. Massively under qualified! Yeah he's done alright at Huddersfield.... On a healthier budget than most League 1 sides. He hasnt achieved anything though. So why on earth would an employer that wants premier league football in 2012, look down this route? I'm pissed by the way, so no aggro! Just saying! ;-) Even though you are pissed and quite direct in what you say I actually agree with some of your sentiments, however questioning the accuracy of this is not fair. (Stringer has tweeted that its pretty much either him or Hughes) Im really struggling to be nearly half as positive as the people on here about the possibility of this. I said from the moment we sacked Sven, unless we have someone (mainly O'Neill) lined up to take the reigns then I dont agree with the sacking. I still dont. Im not saying his record was good, but you have really got to question whether someone coming in would do any better, thats the important question. I do not understand all the optimism around Lee Clark. I mean, he has done well at Huddersfield but as someone has rightly pointed out he has been their three years and to be honest a club of their size in that tier should be challenging for promotion year on year. In fact when its come to crunch time, his team has failed, and non so spectacularly than what i witnessed on a grey day at Old Trafford last summer. He has a good win percentage and this unbeaten run, don't get me wrong but still - Is Lee really the solution? A young up and coming league one manager. What do we need? Well the owners want promotion, this year. So we need a manager who can take the club from mid table to the top six, ideally top two and have an instant impact on the team. We are not so far behind but still, there is catching up to do. He took over from Stan Ternent on the 12/12/08 and finished in 9th place in his first season with Hudders. Im not convinced.
1991FOX Posted 1 November 2011 Posted 1 November 2011 Of course, but the owners are in the same boat as us, they can't see the future either. They can only appoint a manager in the hope that they do well, but their best guess is to appoint someone who has done well before, surely? I mean I know it's not the same, but it's no good appointing Shearer because he's good and could possibly do well. You've got to play the percentages as they say. Sitting on the fence, not the greatest post!.... As if the owners are going to appoint an unproven manager at any level, having said themselves that they want someone who has proven themselves. Same boat as us?! MILES away, get a grip! They can't see the future, no. But, they do have a greater say in the final judgement! that is what separates the fans from the owners. BIG TIME. Whether that is right or wrong, we are yet to behold. Lee Clark, proven track record in league 1? Not too sure, play offs, is that good enough in league one? To succeed Sven when top 2 is the target? Re think!!!
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