Gary speed - RIP

[buzzy]

what a selfish man he was a weak one at that. does he not know what his actions have done to his family. people who don,t have a choice to live but he did im sick of hearing about this and that. it is a shock but he was selfish

[accessory]

I can't agree. I really don't want to see this thread turn in to a heated debate but the personal lives of entertainers is not and should not ever be public information. I can, at an absolute stretch, accept that the private lives of civil servants and politicians may give a look into their true selves that could be loosely justified as public interest to know but even that's clutching at straws.

The media broadcasting anyone's private or social lives is a hateful and vile failing of modern society.

Giggs and the like may have done truly vulgar things but they were his mistakes to make and his family's problem to deal with. At no point should they have been in the public domain for the world to scrutinize and judge.

This.

Check out the evidence given to the Leveson Inquiry to see what depths the tabloids and others will sink to.

While a celeb (footballer or otherwise) may deserve to be pilloried for marital infidelities, that is NO justification for harassment and/or bullying of their family, friends or neighbours, or the hacking of their phones or email accounts.

Edited 28 November 2011 by accessory

[Captain...]

I think the truth is important though. If people can't handle the truth being exposed they shouldn't be so disrespectful to those who love them, as Giggs was.

I'm not saying the media aren't a-holes. But there are some people who bring the humiliation on themselves and they can't blame anyone else for that.

If you committed a crime, it may do more harm to you and your families life if you were caught, but does that mean you should get off scot-free because it may be harmful to your family?

I'm not saying Speed deserved to be publicly ruined because I have no idea what he did or if he indeed did anything. Giggs though, it's his fault and no-one elses, he can't complain the media have stitched him up.

Of course we the public speculate, it's our natural feeling to want to know why this happened, not only because he was a popular and well-known figure but also especially because of the accounts of many of his friends yesterday. Everyone that spoke to him just hours before has said he seemed the same as ever, without any indication of the events that unfolded.

In that sense it is a unique 'story', it seems incredibly strange and naturally we will wonder what has happened. Not because we are disrespectful, but because we are humans who are in disbelief.

The truth is important, but only when it is relevant to you, whether Giggs shagged some bird of big brother or not has no relevance to my life.

The same goes for most of the crap printed in the rags, that's why I don't read them.

Anyway I am going to leave this thread as we are getting away from the point which is as a tribute to a great sportsman, we will pick up the merits of the press and privacy rights of celebrities in another thread another time.

[The Doctor]

what a selfish man he was a weak one at that. does he not know what his actions have done to his family. people who don,t have a choice to live but he did im sick of hearing about this and that. it is a shock but he was selfish

What a ridiculous post. You don't have to be a "weak" person to do this, quite frequently life can all seem just too much, for so many people out there and in that case things like this can happen.

Fortunately for a lot of people help is at hand, from friends, from family and from organisations such as the Samaritans. For a lot of people their life and actions aren't plastered all over the papers. Speed didn't have the privacy of his life that you or I have of ours and maybe, just maybe, he didn't have his family and friends at hand to help him, or maybe the lack of privacy prevented him from coming forward to them.

No matter what happened, this is a tragedy and for people to come out and call someone selfish and weak for their actions, particularly when no-one knows the full story, is just sickening.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

what a selfish man he was a weak one at that. does he not know what his actions have done to his family. people who don,t have a choice to live but he did im sick of hearing about this and that. it is a shock but he was selfish

Without knowing his state of mind it is impossible to say that he is selfish. Have you ever suffered depression? If not I suggest you read up on it and then see if you still feel it is a selfish act. A desperate, tragic act it maybe but to call it selfish is imo harsh if it was due to mental illness.

[leicesterisme]

what a selfish man he was a weak one at that. does he not know what his actions have done to his family. people who don,t have a choice to live but he did im sick of hearing about this and that. it is a shock but he was selfish

Oh my god, please do not comment on something when you clearly have no clue about what you are writing and how people may be affected by your stupid comments.

As many people have already said, it's called an illness. Such an ignorant post.

[Narborough_fox]

what a selfish man he was a weak one at that. does he not know what his actions have done to his family. people who don,t have a choice to live but he did im sick of hearing about this and that. it is a shock but he was selfish

Quite simply... Twat.

[the_foxes_till_i_die]

I tried not to comment on this but i dont agree with what he has done to his kids!!!

[buzzy]

What a ridiculous post. You don't have to be a "weak" person to do this, quite frequently life can all seem just too much, for so many people out there and in that case things like this can happen.

Fortunately for a lot of people help is at hand, from friends, from family and from organisations such as the Samaritans. For a lot of people their life and actions aren't plastered all over the papers. Speed didn't have the privacy of his life that you or I have of ours and maybe, just maybe, he didn't have his family and friends at hand to help him, or maybe the lack of privacy prevented him from coming forward to them.

No matter what happened, this is a tragedy and for people to come out and call someone selfish and weak for their actions, particularly when no-one knows the full story, is just sickening.

shut the **** up

[leicesterisme]

shut the **** up

Great response there defending your point...

Edited 28 November 2011 by leicesterisme

[Finnegan]

Please let's don't, eh?

[The Doctor]

shut the **** up

Well it's hard to argue with that.

As zaphod said, go read up on depression, there's a lot more to it than it appears. Just don't be so quick to condemn.

Edited 28 November 2011 by LargeAl

[buzzy]

to large al if you don.t like what i said ban me because i am sick and tired of all these 2 face people on this forum. i remember when amy winehouse died everybodt said she deserved to die. because he is a football man who took is own life lets be all upset. no as i said before he took is own life with no thought for his wife and kids and there feelings

[Guest Basildon Fox]

to large al if you don.t like what i said ban me because i am sick and tired of all these 2 face people on this forum. i remember when amy winehouse died everybodt said she deserved to die. because he is a football man who took is own life lets be all upset. no as i said before he took is own life with no thought for his wife and kids and there feelings

They are 2 completely different scenarios though. Winehouse drank herself to death, unlikely to be suicide and abused her body for years. It was no less tragic in my eyes that someone so young was taken away but was hardly a shock. In contrast Speed has never been negatively in the public eye which is why it is so shocking. Depression is a horrible sometimes secretive illness that can have (as in Gary Speeds case) devestating consequences.

[21st Century Fox]

Lets not let this thread roll into an argument, a man died. I think its safe to say Buzzy is in the minority.

[Narborough_fox]

They are 2 completely different scenarios though. Winehouse drank herself to death, unlikely to be suicide and abused her body for years. It was no less tragic in my eyes that someone so young was taken away but was hardly a shock. In contrast Speed has never been negatively in the public eye which is why it is so shocking. Depression is a horrible sometimes secretive illness that can have (as in Gary Speeds case) devestating consequences.

As well as that the time Amy Winehouse died the attacks in Norway were ongoing. Until we know what has happened people saying he was selfish just keep your thoughts to yourself and think about grieving family and friends.

[Itsthejoeker]

shut the **** up

You're a bit of a **** aren't you.

[The Doctor]

It's not really being two-faced though is it?

Amy Winehouse brought her fate upon herself with her abuse of drugs (although to say she deserved to die is also disgusting), Speed on the other hand, the general consensus seems to be that it was related to depression, which can ruin anyone through no fault of their own.

Also, to say he did it with no thought for his wife and children and how they would feel is a little callous is it not? I believe FoxyPV said something earlier in the thread that if he's considered his family and the effects this would have then something has got to have been seriously wrong with him to go through with it.

Finally, it's not because he was a football man, it's because in a sport now populated by petulant little children with attitude problems on and off the pitch, he was still nothing less than exemplary in his behaviour. He never got into fights on or off the pitch, never seen to be thrown out of nightclubs etc. Always an good honest player and a good role model in terms of the way he conducted himself which is why people are saddened by this.

Humanity lost a great gentleman and yet people still want to take snide digs at him, make horrible jokes, it really disappoints me that as a race we can be so callous and insensitive.

[Webbo]

Given almost every tabloid has run pretty passionate tributes to the man today, it really runs my blood cold to think one of them running some trash might have been the catalyst.

I almost hope it's not the case, really.

I'd guess that if it was something criminal that he'd done it would have been published today as a sort of self justification. I can only assume (assuming that there is any truth that the tabloids did pushed him over the edge) that he'd been unfaithful with either a woman or or a man. I doubt that any paper would have the nerve to publish that now.

[Finnegan]

I'd guess that if it was something criminal that he'd done it would have been published today as a sort of self justification. I can only assume (assuming that there is any truth that the tabloids did pushed him over the edge) that he'd been unfaithful with either a woman or or a man. I doubt that any paper would have the nerve to publish that now.

Certainly not. And it's that two-facedness that was my point.

Though it's all speculation and I accept that, we've no evidence that the rumour is true and - as I said - I actually hope it isn't.

[Bilo]

Lets not let this thread roll into an argument, a man died. I think its safe to say Buzzy is in the minority.

Exactly.

This thread is not the place for an argument.

Let's keep it dignified chaps.

[Corky]

That video is so sad.

[somebum]

what a selfish man he was a weak one at that. does he not know what his actions have done to his family. people who don,t have a choice to live but he did im sick of hearing about this and that. it is a shock but he was selfish

Ignorant ****

[John Matrix]

Ignorant ****

not very dignified

[chili_con_carne]

R.I.P Gary Speed!