MPH Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 This whole Gary Speed circus really gets my goat. I agree with those on here who are miffed as to why this is happening tonight. The guy killed himself for goodness sake. Ended his own life. Yes it's sad (more so for his family) but whoever found him will have to live with what they saw for the rest of their life. Gary doesn't have to. The media circus gathered around Gary's death is quite frankly disgusting, everyone jumping on the band wagon, fake 'plastic' support for his family you've never met, or would never double take in the street. Everyone reporting how tragic his death is, a tragic death is where you have no say in the outcome, Dumblane massacres, killed in action in Afghanistan, shot at 50 times by some angsty student with a machine gun who's mad at the world, 7/11. But taking your own life... this doesn't earn a minutes applause. Everyone here is speculating on why he killed himself, depression, affair, gay affair, gambling debts, criminal activity. Whatever it is, nothing will give his two kids their Dad back and that's what's sad. I'll be mentally applauding Gary Speed's wife and kids every day of their life, as they have to deal with the tragedy that Gary (and only Gary) has dealt them. I'll applaud their bravery for dealing with their problems and for managing through the difficult times ahead. But I won't be applauding Gary. ok dont go over the top there in trying to make a point. You'll probably not think about them in two weeks time.
marbelladave Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 You tit. its not about who deserves respect... more people know Gary speed than my grandma... so more people are going to WANT to show some sort of respect. If you have a disdain for famous people in general then why dont you just say so. what is it? jealousy at their money? annoyance at your own lack of it? Either way, dont take it out on someone who made a great contribution to British football and was a role model for so many young footballers today. You really don't get it do you...... Some people may want to pay their respects to Speed, though why they want to do it in such a public manner is beyond me. A few moments quiet contemplation is much more appropriate in my view, but then that doesn't really 'show how much you care'. does it.
TallRider Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 ok dont go over the top there in trying to make a point. You'll probably not think about them in two weeks time. So true, unfortunately all these people spouting their love for Gary Speed will probably do exactly the same.
Pub breath Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 This whole Gary Speed circus really gets my goat. I agree with those on here who are miffed as to why this is happening tonight. The guy killed himself for goodness sake. Ended his own life. Yes it's sad (more so for his family) but whoever found him will have to live with what they saw for the rest of their life. Gary doesn't have to. The media circus gathered around Gary's death is quite frankly disgusting, everyone jumping on the band wagon, fake 'plastic' support for his family you've never met, or would never double take in the street. Everyone reporting how tragic his death is, a tragic death is where you have no say in the outcome, Dumblane massacres, killed in action in Afghanistan, shot at 50 times by some angsty student with a machine gun who's mad at the world, 9/11. But taking your own life... this doesn't earn a minutes applause. Everyone here is speculating on why he killed himself, depression, affair, gay affair, gambling debts, criminal activity. Whatever it is, nothing will give his two kids their Dad back and that's what's sad. I'll be mentally applauding Gary Speed's wife and kids every day of their life, as they have to deal with the tragedy that Gary (and only Gary) has dealt them. I'll applaud their bravery for dealing with their problems and for managing through the difficult times ahead. But I won't be applauding Gary. Bully for you. The thing is, not every man views suicide in the cold and unfeeling way that you do, thankfully. So why not de-mount your high horse and allow us all to be different. You're very cynical and unfeeling, that's fine. I wouldn't restrict your right to say how you feel, though. Others are full of sympathy, compassion and not a small amount of bafflement, they also deserve the right to express that publically too. Be a dull world if we were all cast in your mould.
marbelladave Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 Seriously, is it so hard to understand the point people are making? Other than Dave nobody has said they would not join in with whatever the club chose to do. Just to clarify my point of view.... I shall not be joining in the applause because I think it is an odious practice in these circumstances and I want nothing to do with it. I shall stand quietly (and hopefully anonymously) as I would in any similar circumstance where a tragic death is being aknowledged.
MPH Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 You really don't get it do you...... Some people may want to pay their respects to Speed, though why they want to do it in such a public manner is beyond me. A few moments quiet contemplation is much more appropriate in my view, but then that doesn't really 'show how much you care'. does it. oh i get it completly but you clearly dont... as you are now saying different things to what you first said... ok NOW it is about your point of view and thats different to what is fundamentally right or wrong as your previous posts were suggesting. You are entitled to your opinion and i am entitled to mine- and that is that you are still a tit over this. You also have to accept yours really is just an opinion and nothing to get your knickers in a twist about. The majority of people in here see things differently to you. Just accept it.
Bob Farley Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 This whole Gary Speed circus really gets my goat. I agree with those on here who are miffed as to why this is happening tonight. The guy killed himself for goodness sake. Ended his own life. Yes it's sad (more so for his family) but whoever found him will have to live with what they saw for the rest of their life. Gary doesn't have to. The media circus gathered around Gary's death is quite frankly disgusting, everyone jumping on the band wagon, fake 'plastic' support for his family you've never met, or would never double take in the street. Everyone reporting how tragic his death is, a tragic death is where you have no say in the outcome, Dumblane massacres, killed in action in Afghanistan, shot at 50 times by some angsty student with a machine gun who's mad at the world, 9/11. But taking your own life... this doesn't earn a minutes applause. Everyone here is speculating on why he killed himself, depression, affair, gay affair, gambling debts, criminal activity. Whatever it is, nothing will give his two kids their Dad back and that's what's sad. I'll be mentally applauding Gary Speed's wife and kids every day of their life, as they have to deal with the tragedy that Gary (and only Gary) has dealt them. I'll applaud their bravery for dealing with their problems and for managing through the difficult times ahead. But I won't be applauding Gary. thank goodness, someone who speaks sense. he took his own life, why should i feel sorry for him? Thats the worst thing he could do to his family, how can his kids respect their dad for that so why should i respect him?
Pub breath Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 You really don't get it do you...... Some people may want to pay their respects to Speed, though why they want to do it in such a public manner is beyond me. A few moments quiet contemplation is much more appropriate in my view, but then that doesn't really 'show how much you care'. does it. Some truth in that, I don't dispute. I'm far from the greatest fan of the minutes somethings that are over-used at sporting events but for the really important people, they remain an appropriate event. It's that symbolic act of making a definite halt in the normal routine of a match day to say "we owe it to this man to come together collectively and acknowledge his contribution at the expense of getting the game underway earlier". Whilst it may not always be the most respectful way to mark a death, it would certainly seem disrespectful to do nothing.
TallRider Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 Bully for you. The thing is, not every man views suicide in the cold and unfeeling way that you do, thankfully. So why not de-mount your high horse and allow us all to be different. You're very cynical and unfeeling, that's fine. I wouldn't restrict your right to say how you feel, though. Others are full of sympathy, compassion and not a small amount of bafflement, they also deserve the right to express that publically too. Be a dull world if we were all cast in your mould. If I de-mount my high horse will you give me a minutes applaud? Could be tempted.... I'm not advocating you shouldn't get to clap in public for a guy you never met, do what you like, I'm just saying I'm not going to be doing it. At the end of the day, what's important in all this is that you get to show everyone at the stadium tonight how much you "really" care. Go you.
Simmo86 Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 If I de-mount my high horse will you give me a minutes applaud? Could be tempted.... I'm not advocating you shouldn't get to clap in public for a guy you never met, do what you like, I'm just saying I'm not going to be doing it. At the end of the day, what's important in all this is that you get to show everyone at the stadium tonight how much you "really" care. Go you. TBF pub breath is a Leeds fan so he probably cares more than most. Fair enough to you for not applauding tonight, but your reasons for not doing so are stupid
Pub breath Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 If I de-mount my high horse will you give me a minutes applaud? Could be tempted.... I'm not advocating you shouldn't get to clap in public for a guy you never met, do what you like, I'm just saying I'm not going to be doing it. At the end of the day, what's important in all this is that you get to show everyone at the stadium tonight how much you "really" care. Go you. Well I won't be mate, i'm a Leeds fan That's cool if you don't want to though, isn't it? So long as you don't misinterpret the reasons why other people might want to....oh.......
marbelladave Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 oh i get it completly but you clearly dont... as you are now saying different things to what you first said... ok NOW it is about your point of view and thats different to what is fundamentally right or wrong as your previous posts were suggesting. You are entitled to your opinion and i am entitled to mine- and that is that you are still a tit over this. You also have to accept yours really is just an opinion and nothing to get your knickers in a twist about. The majority of people in here see things differently to you. Just accept it. Doh...... Abusive too, like I said elsewhere, few people have any idea how to behave these days which i find pretty sad. Doesn't surprise me though.....
Corky Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 The fact is dave that at our ground in particular not everyone can manage to stay silent for one minute (amazing really) and I can recall, even going back to Filbert St, instances of minute silences being disrupted. The applause does at least drown these idiots, though that says more about them. I prefer a silence, a moment of reflection, but I don't really want to hear things shouted out childishly (which isn't actually fair, as most children manage to behave during a silence).
C.J Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 I know its all been decided whats happening later, but my two pennith anyway.......... One ex-player, manager or somebody within football dies atleast every month. For instance an ex-Burnley player died the other month, did we have a minutes applause for him? No, just Burnley. Fair enough if we were one of Speeds old clubs, but what connection did he have with us? If we had a minuets applause for every tom dick and harry that died in football we'd have very sore hands.
Guest bennytwohats Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 Interesting points being made. I think it's sad and I would show my support but the point is a fair one, why not have a minutes applause every game for all the nameless that have passed away? That's not to take away from the fact that it's clearly very sad what happened - nobody is saying that, but it's maybe losing sight of the bigger picture. I however don't agree with people judging speed for the way he went (if that's what happened). If there is one thing anyone can truly claim to be entitled to, it's the choice as to whether they live or die, and I doubt anyone would take it lightly.
marbelladave Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 The fact is dave that at our ground in particular not everyone can manage to stay silent for one minute (amazing really) and I can recall, even going back to Filbert St, instances of minute silences being disrupted. The applause does at least drown these idiots, though that says more about them. I prefer a silence, a moment of reflection, but I don't really want to hear things shouted out childishly (which isn't actually fair, as most children manage to behave during a silence). I see no reason to make allowances for the large number of people who do not have the faintest idea how to behave properly in formal situations. As a mark of respect for an untimely death a silence is the only correct response, if some people can't manage that, then....... Anyway, time to go, rumour has it there might be a game on tonight.....
BrummieFOX Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 I know its all been decided whats happening later, but my two pennith anyway.......... One ex-player, manager or somebody within football dies atleast every month. For instance an ex-Burnley player died the other month, did we have a minutes applause for him? No, just Burnley. Fair enough if we were one of Speeds old clubs, but what connection did he have with us? If we had a minuets applause for every tom dick and harry that died in football we'd have very sore hands. That player wasn't the current manager of a national side, nor had he played over 500 times in the premier league etc etc blah blah. Now this isn't to say that Speed is more worthy of it because he has these accolades but because he does have them he is much more well known!! He is on MOTD or Football Focus quite frequently hence nearly every Leicester fan at the game knowing who he is and having an opinion of him - the large majority of their opinions is that he was a great professional a good footballer and an up and coming manager. No more or less but because we all have a joint positive opinion of a man that has done so much in football, we're going to mark his passing with a minutes applause.
Babylon Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 Just to clarify my point of view.... I shall not be joining in the applause because I think it is an odious practice in these circumstances and I want nothing to do with it. I shall stand quietly (and hopefully anonymously) as I would in any similar circumstance where a tragic death is being aknowledged. I knew I'd come back to this because I realised what I wrote whilst awat. Apologies, I knew what you meant. My rewording left a lot to be desired.
maynefox Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 Although he was a great footballer and a well respected man, a minutes applause is the right choice! A silence would be rather in-appropriate because he wasnt connected at our club and we more a less had no connection with him (at Leeds, Newcastle, Sheff utd etc) a silence would be a good choice. The minutes applause show that we as a club recognise what he had achieved in football (just please new chants like: "speeeeeedo" "one Gary Speed, only one Gary Speed"
flowwolf Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 Although he was a great footballer and a well respected man, a minutes applause is the right choice! A silence would be rather in-appropriate because he wasnt connected at our club and we more a less had no connection with him (at Leeds, Newcastle, Sheff utd etc) a silence would be a good choice. The minutes applause show that we as a club recognise what he had achieved in football (just please new chants like: "speeeeeedo" "one Gary Speed, only one Gary Speed" Right choice ? oh we have a choice then? good I shall choose to do neither. :dunno:
VampLCFC Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 I've got quite mixed feelings in the whole subject, yea he was a nice guy, model professional, family man etc etc But he killed himself, it is a very selfish and maybe cowardly act, he has left behind a wife, two young children, parents, brothers, sisters, friends!! The guy hung himself and we have learned today that his wife found his body, can anyone imagine how horrifying that must have been, she will never get over that, she will see it every time she closes her eyes, she will be scarred for the rest of her life. I agree that it is a tragic loss, the man was 42 years old, no age at all, but I don't think I agree with a minutes applause, especially given the new evidence we have heard today
reynard Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 Although he was a great footballer and a well respected man, a minutes applause is the right choice! A silence would be rather in-appropriate because he wasnt connected at our club and we more a less had no connection with him (at Leeds, Newcastle, Sheff utd etc) a silence would be a good choice. The minutes applause show that we as a club recognise what he had achieved in football (just please new chants like: "speeeeeedo" "one Gary Speed, only one Gary Speed" Personally I hate the minutes applause it just seems so false. A minute's silence is for me always the most appropriate. Agree with you on the chants though. We've become a nation too self indulgent in mass grieving over individual people we didn't know or have any connection with. I'm very sad he took his own life and feel desperately sorry for his family but that's as far as it goes for me personally.
Yojoe36 Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 Yeah, can we just not chant anything...PLEASE, JUST DON'T!!
acooling08 Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 I think the fact that he killed himself makes him LESS worthy of respect. Just my opinion.
lcfcadam Posted 29 November 2011 Posted 29 November 2011 Yeah, can we just not chant anything...PLEASE, JUST DON'T!! "One Gary Speed, there's only one Gary Speed" will be chanted during the applause. It's as certain as the sun rising again tomorrow. Best to arm yourself with that knowledge in advance probably!
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