Hull Post Match

[Kitchandro]

Just seen the highlights on the BBC.

Matt Mills was deservedly sent off, the second little touch with his foot was intentional and prevented McLean from scoring for sure.

EDIT: And Bamba's clumsy challenge on Fryatt should've given Hull another penalty.

Sorry but on what basis do you say he would have scored? Kasper was right on top of him, it's more than likely McLean wouldn't even have got on the end of it, and even then he's got to squeeze it past him from a difficult angle with very little to aim at.

Definitely not a red.

And I'd say Fryatt pretty much ran into Bamba - who didn't make a challenge

[Kitchandro]

Yeah the ball was as good as in Kasper's hands when Mills tripped the guy.

However I can't get over the stupidity of Mills, why the hell would you do that.

Yeh this is how I feel

[I am Rod Hull]

Sorry but on what basis do you say he would have scored? Kasper was right on top of him, it's more than likely McLean wouldn't even have got on the end of it, and even then he's got to squeeze it past him from a difficult angle with very little to aim at.

Definitely not a red.

And I'd say Fryatt pretty much ran into Bamba - who didn't make a challenge

It WAS a red and i`m starting to regret not getting a sag aloo, brinjall bhajee or bombay potato...

[look_back_in_amber]

Ker ching

[I am Rod Hull]

Ker ching

[Dan]

Right, the talking points.

The obvious start. The Mills incident. A few things, firstly it was a definite penalty, no doubt about it. A red card though? Extremely harsh decision to fvck us over for the rest of the game when the chances of McLean beating Kasper to that were totally minimal. Yellow for me.

Mills should be fvcking well ashamed. I could accept it if it was a one-off but how many fvcking times is he going to let us down? At that price I'd expect literally 1/2 letdowns PER SEASON in this division, he's a good defender but what the actual fvck is going through his head half the time? What could he possibly gain from sticking his leg out following winning the ball? Jesus. Lets not forget his shite clearances which are all too regular and Birmingham away where he cost us. He's a good player, but no improvement on Hobbs, and at £5mil, captain too. Sven's a total plank.

Gallagher coming on, complete waste of space. He's the last player in the entire squad I'd have brought on in a game which required work rate, strength and ability to hold the ball up, Howard would've been a far better bet, at least he can hold the ball up, what Gallagher did was inevitable, absolutely nothing. He's a total luxury, the sort of player to bring on when you're winning 2-0 at home, not hold a point at a side absolutely determined to get one over you. I feel Pearson got that wrong but in fairness I can only assume this was down to Nugent being knackered, because Gallagher actually came on for Danns and started out wide, before Pearson brought Fernandes on for Nugent, which as stated, I can only assume he had a knock or was very tired.

The other thing I questioned about Pearson today was the sub just after the penalty. Not being funny but when you're at 4-4-2, lose a player and a goal, what's the one position that shouldn't take a hit? Beckford didn't look too bad today I felt. Whilst it's a tough one for him, how Danns remained on the field instead of Beckford was beyond me. Then again whilst I feel NP got that one wrong, we did actually score 10 minutes later. Amazing, really.

Individually, I thought Wellens, Mills, Danns and Peltier were all poor.

Time for the positives though, we did defend extremely well and were beaten by a moment of sheer quality from Koren (I swear he scores past us every single game without fail), we were more team-like and they shouldn't be too disheartened at today, Mills should take a long look at himself though, SSL is beginning to win me over and even if he's a little shaky at times, I think he should stay in ahead of Mills. Peltier had a weak game today for me, Stewart had the beating of him most times and was so far out wide that Peltier was really stretched, in fairness, thought he was generally weak in the tackle though. Very tidy player Stewart, I'd be extremely happy to see him signed in January. He's only like 20 as well.

Paul Konchesky was excellent. He's growing on me game by game, a full-back who can attack and defend, and another goal today, lovely finish too. I'll hand that one to Sven, a very good buy. Energetic, good on the ball, solid at the back, I wonder if there's many, if any better left-backs in the division.

Kasper, surprised people haven't picked up on yet another excellent pair of saves, he's Premier League standard, no doubt about it.

One thing as well you can't fault with Pearson, whilst I have a couple of criticisms of him today, we've conceded 3 goals in 4 games, a deflected goal, a penalty, and a screamer. That's superb.

On a final note, our end today was top notch. Vast majority stood throughout and the noise was excellent at times. People who stood today who don't normally can't seriously tell me that was worse than sitting down in silence, that was how away days should be. I hope Doncaster is like that (if I do or don't go).

Oh well, I'm down but won't dwell on it, but I think Mills has done his career here absolutely no favours whatsoever and he's got a lot of work to do.

[OzFox]

Sounds like someone took a fire extinguisher to Gallagher's boots.

I'd love to see the stats but over the years it seems like every time we go down to ten men, we lose. And every time the opposition goes down to ten men, we still lose.

[Dan]

Ker ching

Not being funny right, but when you win a cup final, don't you normally lift a trophy?

Nice to see the tinpot ****** enjoying their biggest game of the season, I'm amazed they seriously thought Pearson wouldn't leave them.

[Callabinho]

Sorry but on what basis do you say he would have scored? Kasper was right on top of him, it's more than likely McLean wouldn't even have got on the end of it, and even then he's got to squeeze it past him from a difficult angle with very little to aim at.

Definitely not a red.

And I'd say Fryatt pretty much ran into Bamba - who didn't make a challenge

Unfortunately I also have to disagree, he has in affect "kicked" out at him, in his stupidity similar to the brum game he has seen red, only Mills can say why he did it, but stupid little things like this are preventing us from being a top championship team. He made a good tackle initially, he should have left the rest to kasper, if he had scored, then he scores but we would have still had 11 men on the pitch.

[accessory]

Once again we fail to win back-to-back games. Until Pearson sorts this, we have no hope of lasting progress.

Those making Mills the scapegoat conveniently ignore the fact that had Bamba not missed the tackle on the edge of the box in that move, neither Mills nor the ref would have had a decision to make. Whatever the commentator may have said, it was a penalty but NOT a red card and we should submit an appeal.

Pearson made a monumental misjudgement with the second-half substitutions. Fernandes should have been brought on earlier to strengthen a central midfield which was once again found wanting. And Gallagher is arguably the least-suited player in the league to be brought on for a team down to 10 men. There have been too many away games where he has been a liability for us and this was yet another of them.

Looks like more wheeling and dealing will be needed in the next transfer window.

Meanwhile Hobbs was immaculate for Hull today and showed what a criminal act it was for Sven to let him go - one that arguably cost us a play-off spot last season and may do the same in this one too.

[Ross 'LCFC' Turner]

I sometimes wonder if people who go to games even watch the game.

Gallagher was brought on for DANNS, to obviously play right midfield.

Nugent must have been injured or knackered so FERNANDES came on, pushing GALLAGHER upfront.

Mills cost us the game with a stupd challange, Schmichael was about to gather the ball so no need for the swipe what so ever. At 11 v 11 we would of beat them, they were nothing special just given far too much time on the ball. Beckford upfront was looking dangerous and was unlucky to be subbed off so early.

So to clear it up, yes Gallagher was poor upfront on his own but we all know he cant head, hold it up & has no strength but it wasnt his fault he had no support. If anything Pearson should of brought Howard on instead of Fernandes, but we were unlucky, had to loose at some point so bring on Peterbrough.

[Callabinho]

Ker ching

Go back to your own forum you tange ****, and make up

Some more embarrassing chants whilst your there, or maybe take time out from a hard days work of ****ing your sisters up the shitter to compare the history of the two clubs.

[Kitchandro]

It WAS a red and i`m starting to regret not getting a sag aloo, brinjall bhajee or bombay potato...

[Callabinho]

WTF BBQ, I hope your Indian expirience was better than mine! To top off a poor day my dish was tasteless and disappointing, not to mention the lack of egg in the eggy naan, so all in all not a good day at the office!!!!!!

[Dan]

I rarely agree with him but accessory has the majority of it spot on today.

That was another absolute disgrace from the FLS - showing Fryatt's absolute non-appeal over what was another yellow/red debate for Hobbs, I can't be arsed hearing this shoulder-barge bollocks, tell me how what he did to Nugent was a legitimate fvcking challenge? Not even a free-kick, completely ridiculous. Adding insult to injury from the biased cvnts, "I've seen them given" aye, by refs who are clearly completely clueless. If that's a penalty then you might just go down every time you enter the box.

Predictable stuff from them though really.

[Kitchandro]

I sometimes wonder if people who go to games even watch the game.

Gallagher was brought on for DANNS, to obviously play right midfield.

Nugent must have been injured or knackered so FERNANDES came on, pushing GALLAGHER upfront.

Mills cost us the game with a stupd challange, Schmichael was about to gather the ball so no need for the swipe what so ever. At 11 v 11 we would of beat them, they were nothing special just given far too much time on the ball. Beckford upfront was looking dangerous and was unlucky to be subbed off so early.

So to clear it up, yes Gallagher was poor upfront on his own but we all know he cant head, hold it up & has no strength but it wasnt his fault he had no support. If anything Pearson should of brought Howard on instead of Fernandes, but we were unlucky, had to loose at some point so bring on Peterbrough.

I think the problem was his first substitution was wrong. This led to us having just Gallagher up front which none of us would want in that situation (or in any tbh). If Danns had come off for St Ledger we might still have occupied their defence for a longer period of the game, with them having to mark 2 strikers. In the second half we just accepted being attacked for 45 minutes because they had nothing to worry about at the other end.

By the hour mark Danns had to come off (way too late IMO) and he chose to bring Gallagher on as 'like for like'. That's when you would have wanted Fernandes to come on really.

In any case I do think Howard would have done better than Gallagher in that position.

[Dan]

Danns should've been off ages back. Completely ineffective.

I've not written him off though, he's often looked a player and a half against us, and what an impact he made when playing in his actual position the other night just behind the forward. Just a thought, 4-2-3-1 with a right winger (arguably Gallagher atm), Danns in the centre and Dyer on the left? Maybe not as a starter but certainly a plan B. Would be very interesting, a good formation.

[Haydos]

It WAS a red and i`m starting to regret not getting a sag aloo, brinjall bhajee or bombay potato...

How can you be that arrogant?

I and a fair few others of the opinion that Kaspar was very close and the touch would have taken it to him or allowed him to make an easy block. Is it this you're disagreeing with or do you just think it doesn't matter?

[Ross 'LCFC' Turner]

I think the problem was his first substitution was wrong. This led to us having just Gallagher up front which none of us would want in that situation (or in any tbh). If Danns had come off for St Ledger we might still have occupied their defence for a longer period of the game, with them having to mark 2 strikers. In the second half we just accepted being attacked for 45 minutes because they had nothing to worry about at the other end.

By the hour mark Danns had to come off (way too late IMO) and he chose to bring Gallagher on as 'like for like'. That's when you would have wanted Fernandes to come on really.

In any case I do think Howard would have done better than Gallagher in that position.

I agree the subs were wrong but at the time, it was all Pearson could do to freshen things up in my opinion. Taking Nugent off just isnt an option unless hes injured or too tired and at the time Gallagher came on he seemed fine.

I dont think it was a game for Howard either because if Howard got the ball he just wouldnt do anything with it, the midfield were struggling and were tired and there was no way they could support Howards hold ups .

I dont rate Gallagher away from Home he just doesnt seem to play well. I thought Danns wasnt great today but this was his kind of game were he had to chase down and win tackles etc and i thought he was doing that ok so bringing Gallagher on who doesnt really work, doesnt tackle etc was a stupid sub.

The main reason i posted though was to clear the subs up. All i heard when i left the ground & what ive seen on here are people questioning and moaning about putting Gallagher upfront but if they acctually took notice Gallagher was already on the pitch when Nugent went off and it was all we could realistically do.

[Dan]

You're not wrong Ross.

Controversial shout I know but I honestly believe Dyer would've been more effective there. Not a forward I know but based on what we've seen, is Gallagher? Seriously?

[I am Rod Hull]

WTF BBQ, I hope your Indian expirience was better than mine! To top off a poor day my dish was tasteless and disappointing, not to mention the lack of egg in the eggy naan, so all in all not a good day at the office!!!!!!

Yes it was...

I`v been going to the same curry house for at least 12 years and i`v been disappointed maybe 2 or 3 times.... Their Jalfrezi is oh so good...

[Ross 'LCFC' Turner]

You're not wrong Ross.

Controversial shout I know but I honestly believe Dyer would've been more effective there. Not a forward I know but based on what we've seen, is Gallagher? Seriously?

I thought Beckford started well and was looking dangerous, gave Hobbs a torrid time.

I would personally brought St Ledger on for Dyer and had Danns, King and Wellens in a 3 man midfield with Beckford and Nugent upfront.

That way we could of had King and Wellens doing what they were doing and protecting the defence but could have Danns ( in his natural position) chasing everything down, but bursting forward to join the attack.

Dyer for me wasnt in the game again, Rosenior had just as much pace as him and had more strength so the usual tap and run was pointless and wasnt working, thats why he would of been sacrifised.

We were never going to win the game sitting back and letting them come at us for 45 mins, thats why i would of kept Beckford on and gave there defence something to think about because there is no way Dawson & Rosenior would have had their chances if they didnt have so much room.

[Guest Col city fan]

Everything I read from you on this forum, is negative. Do you even support Leicester City?

Then you read fook all

I'd like to see us sign Billy Sharpe, Jay Thomas and Jimmy

Kebe. I said this in the summer.

And get rid of Beckford and Danns... Cos they're massively over rated

And if you're trying to slate me for criticising Mills then I stand by what I said. Massively overpriced player who fooks up in some stupid ways. The foul for the penno last night

was crazy.

Do you support City?

Cos if you do you'll want to air your view on how you think things can be improved

Or do you think it's all perfect?

[Bugg]

You want to get rid of Danns and Beckford cause they're overrated but you want Jay Emmanuel-Thomas and Jimmy Kebe

lol

They're probably tthe two most overrated players in the division.

[Guest Col city fan]

You want to get rid of Danns and Beckford cause they're overrated but you want Jay Emmanuel-Thomas and Jimmy Kebe

lol

They're probably tthe two most overrated players in the

division.

We all know what Kebe can do in a confident team.. Rip full backs apart with his pace

And Jay Thomas is what.. 21/22? did ok at Cardiff and is one both for now and the future

I'd take the pair of them yep, along with Sharpe who continues to score goals in a shit team.