inckley fox Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 7 from 4 is play-off form. And with a side that had got 3 from 3 under Stowell and, before that, 3 from 3 under Sven. Until February we will, logically, remain in the 'teething troubles' period of Pearson's reign. Some of you would do well to remember how O'Neill (recently described as a 'lift candidate' for Sunderland - ha!) started life at City. We were always going to lose one eventually. In fact, I thought this might turn out to be one of our biggest tests in the fixture list. It's a shame our eleven - or, rather, one of them - turned out not to be up for it.
Webbo Posted 3 December 2011 Author Posted 3 December 2011 Howard isn't a lone striker. The Gallagher decision made sense. Howard is more of a lone striker than Gallagher.
Guest parky0607 Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 I've stood up for Mills. This is enough. Spoke to someone recently who works with the youth team who said Schmeichel may have been worth 9-10 points already this season. I reckon Mills has lost us the same. Reading, Birmingham, Hull. Some shocking displays early on, which I backed him up for, two red cards recently. There has to be a line. He's played well at times but no better than the likes of St. Ledger sporadically, or Tunchev for Palace (according to Freedman), or Hobbs for us last year when he was frankly poor and was sold on. He needs the Garry Parker 1995-6 treatment: Take the captaincy off him, stick him in the reserves, maybe even list him. Walsh also responded to this in 92-93 though I doubt Mills has his character. Still, motivate him that way. I've heard him speak and he's clearly a moron so perhaps this is the only language he understands. Pearson took Nugent off because he was exhausted. Howard isn't a lone striker. The Gallagher decision made sense. Don't blame the manager, look at the massively over-priced pile of crap Sven brought in at CB for a record breaking fee. Make excuses all you want. Play it down all you want. We can't lose many more games. Simple as that. Mills IS a liability and I can't defend him any more. He deserves to be a scapegoat and we should treat him as such. If he hasn't the character to be a captain and a winner for the club and to win over the fans then he should remain in the reserves. We can't afford any more of this. And yes, clearly, it was a totally unnecessary red card. He deserves absolute unbridled derision for this and perhaps that's what he needs. If he can't cope with it, then he's better off staying in the second string. You can only defend so much. He's a worthy scapegoat. An absolute, unbridled, unequivocal liability. He defines liability. Banish him to the shadows. Somebody will disagree with you on this and probably call you a turd but I don't. When we have a squad of such quality we can afford to make players pay for their mistakes. In SSL we trust.
Bert Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 Gallagher isn't a line striker. He can't hold the ball up like Howard. And he can't chase like Nugent. They looked very shaky at the back. We needed to exploit that but didn't.
Guest parky0607 Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 I didn't know we had won... http://www.lcfc.com/page/Home
MC Prussian Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 7 from 4 is play-off form. And with a side that had got 3 from 3 under Stowell and, before that, 3 from 3 under Sven. Until February we will, logically, remain in the 'teething troubles' period of Pearson's reign. Some of you would do well to remember how O'Neill (recently described as a 'lift candidate' for Sunderland - ha!) started life at City. We were always going to lose one eventually. In fact, I thought this might turn out to be one of our biggest tests in the fixture list. It's a shame our eleven - or, rather, one of them - turned out not to be up for it. Well, looking back at the last three games, it's more like 4 points out of 3...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 Write it off, learn from your mistakes and move on.
Guest parky0607 Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 Well, looking back at the last three games, it's more like 4 points out of 3... Is your glass half empty as well?
darko2k7 Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 I i think for the sub after sending off it would have been better to take danns off for SSL and put Dyer right, Nugent left in midfield leaving beckford up top on his own thus giving us more pace to counter attack but hey it easy for me to say that now with time to think about it.
MC Prussian Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 Is your glass half empty as well? PEARSON OUT!! No matter what manager we have, we always do one step forward, one back... (Or maybe the issue lies elsewhere and not with the manager)
FrankieADZ Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 So you think it was a penalty and a fair challenge? You can say nothing went for us but we, Mills mainly, shot ourselves in the foot. No he's not the only player to blame for the defeat, a lot of other players played poorly and I tbh I think we got what we deserved. But you can't deny Mills made it difficult for us by doing something completely stupid and unnecessary. He's 24 isn't he? He is so immature, he shows a real lack of experience sometimes, for some reason. If he hadn't given away the penalty and got sent off things could have been very different. I mean a part of me think yes and another part says no....all depends on the view you got of it.its an either way call from the ref. I agree with ur end comment btw. all if and buts now tho. the next 6 games are all very winnable on paper....fingers crossed we can.
inckley fox Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 Gallagher isn't a line striker. He can't hold the ball up like Howard. And he can't chase like Nugent. They looked very shaky at the back. We needed to exploit that but didn't. I know what you're saying here but holding the ball up is only any good if you have men alongside to pick up the loose balls. Down to ten we couldn't afford that. As for Nugent, I think he was spent. Gallagher has the ability to nick a goal from 20 yards out on his day. It was a gamble which didn't work but, for me, Howard had nothing to offer in this game. Oddly enough, Beckford /Schlupp / Waghorn would have been better options, but retrospect is a fine thing. My opinion, based on what I've seen, is that the ten on the pitch did okay. They didn't look a class apart, which is presumably what £12m should buy, but that can hardly be NP's fault, can it? We need our Izzet / Lennon to get out of this league and Sven singularly failed to find him. He did make some good signings, but far too many of them were replacing like for like (Hobbs v Mills / Fryatt v Nugent etc.). His attempts at uncovering players of another class in attacking roles failed and, when you're up against it in a game like today's, that really shows. The only difference between the midfield Pearson left behind and the one that we had today was Danns instead of Jay Spearing (+Wellens being two years older now). That speaks volumes for our progress.
milnerfc Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 So called foxes faithful traveling on foxes travel abusing me on the way to the station from there buses, fickle fickle fans just because I'm not on the coach doesn't mean I'm a hull fan....... Unlucky to loose today, I would of brought Howard on instead of gally!! Took an effort from outside the box to break us down!! So called foxes faithful traveling on foxes travel abusing me on the way to the station from there buses, fickle fickle fans just because I'm not on the coach doesn't mean I'm a hull fan....... Unlucky to loose today, I would of brought Howard on instead of gally!! Took an effort from outside the box to break us down!!
Babylon Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 Same here mate... Poor hull team.. Good Leicester team Fully expected three points Mills is proving a liability.. Sent off now twice this season And the right hand side needs improving..said it two months ago.. Danns is not good enough Sorry, poor hull team good leicester team? They have been above us for the majority of the season. People moaning about the gally sub losing us it need to look at the fact we were conceeding possession as much when Nugent was on the pitch. He also nearly got in couple of times and put Dyer through a couple of times. Whilst he's not great up front, this substitution was more understandable than Sven at Forest as he had Schlupp to bring on there instead. Howard isn't mobile enough to do anything unless the balls down his throat, and when you're booting the ball up from the back accuracy is not gonna be great. If he's up there with someone else they stand a chance of getting something that's not right at him.
Kitchandro Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 I mean a part of me think yes and another part says no....all depends on the view you got of it.its an either way call from the ref. I agree with ur end comment btw. all if and buts now tho. the next 6 games are all very winnable on paper....fingers crossed we can. I don't actually think it was a sending off because it wasn't really an opportunity for McLean after the initial tackle, he was wide and Kasper would have at least been on top of him if he hasn't got there first. But I think it was a definite foul, and it was certainly a stupid thing to do.
Bert Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 There was a lad sat next to me and the missus that was on foxestalk at half time.... Please reveal yourself! I had a pink hat on.
21st Century Fox Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 Pretty sure this was NP's method for choosing his substitutions today....
inckley fox Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 Well, looking back at the last three games, it's more like 4 points out of 3... Okay, but STILL better than Sven managed with twelve months spent working on it beforehand. Plus we're talking about two away games out of three under Pearson, as opposed to two home games out of three under Sven. As I said, we should look at our results come February - March to judge Pearson. And we need to separate our judgement of Pearson from our craving for promotion.
FrankieADZ Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 I have to laugh at the Hull fans singing "pearson should have stay at a bigger club" wouldnt call Hull a big club have they actaully won anything other than the play off oh well
Webbo Posted 3 December 2011 Author Posted 3 December 2011 Sorry, poor hull team good leicester team? They have been above us for the majority of the season. People moaning about the gally sub losing us it need to look at the fact we were conceeding possession as much when Nugent was on the pitch. He also nearly got in couple of times and put Dyer through a couple of times. Whilst he's not great up front, this substitution was more understandable than Sven at Forest as he had Schlupp to bring on there instead. Howard isn't mobile enough to do anything unless the balls down his throat, and when you're booting the ball up from the back accuracy is not gonna be great. If he's up there with someone else they stand a chance of getting something that's not right at him. I'm not blaming that substitution or calling Gallagher a bad player. We might still have lost anyway. But Gallagher contributed nothing when he came on. If it had been Howard instead at least he could have held the ball up, he could have bullied their defenders a bit and slowed the game down.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 Unlucky to lose but not worth getting upset about, though the ref was shite, again. Gallagher is garbage in games like this, might as well not have him on at all and have 9 men. He offers nothing and was greedy at every chance today, trying to take the glory. Though why Np brought him on i dont know, reminded me of the forest away game where Gally came on in a backs to the wall game and didnt work hard at all. We will definitely come higher than Hull they were very poor and were lucky to win. We defended very well and it was a team effort, but why does Koren always score against us? We will bet Posh next week and the next few games are very winnable and i have no doubt we'll soon be in the PO's again. And if Sven was in charge today we would have crumbled.
Callabinho Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 If mills hadn't had gone and got himself sent off, I'm sure beckford would have seen to Hobbs no problem, from the moment he went off we were fighting a loosing battle, but we did remarkably well to defend like we did. We can't get too down as we had the disadvantage for most of the game, hull are a tiny club in comparison and come the end of The season the table will show that. Keep the faith people.
Kitchandro Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 I'm not blaming that substitution or calling Gallagher a bad player. We might still have lost anyway. But Gallagher contributed nothing when he came on. If it had been Howard instead at least he could have held the ball up, he could have bullied their defenders a bit and slowed the game down. Yes agreed. I don't blame the loss on that alone but I don't think it helped. I think taking off Beckford and not Danns was a mistake too. I can understand bringing St Ledger on, but why take a dangerous striker off (and I know he's been poo but has improved recently) and leave a midfielder on who was playing so poorly, when you are a goal behind? I mean I can see why he did it in a way because Beckford isn't a team player when you are up against it, but whilst playing it safe like that we actually invited them to attack us for all of the second half.
Kitchandro Posted 3 December 2011 Posted 3 December 2011 Shouldn't Hobbs have been sent off in the first half?
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