Tram Woman vs. The Somalian 4

[Koke]

Agree with you - I actually find the term 'Black Music Awards' as racist - as it encompasses Urban Styles... why not have 'White Music Awards' which would probably relate to Classica/Opera Awards??

Because that would be racist...

Not sure if serious...

Are you telling me you don't why things like BET and Black History Month was created in the first place?

[flowwolf]

WOW! There is whole load of misinformed bigotted crap on here.

As previously mentioned they were not let free, there were found guilty and punished as seen fit. Maybe seen as a light sentence, but I think community service and a suspended sentence is probably right as no lasting harm was done.

I think the thing here that most people seem to be missing is that a woman was sent to jail for words, whereas 4 people weren't for a physical attack, in my eyes tram woman as much as she is an ignorant biggoted racist **** was sentenced extremely harshly. I would much rather see Tram woman doing community service and repaying the community and perhaps understanding why she said was wrong by serving the communities that she abused. The only reason she ended up with jail time was because of the publicity surrounding the case and the need for her to be made an example. I am sure that if the Somalian 4 had been a much bigger national story then the sentence would probably be harsher.

And just what qualifies you to say no lasting harm has been done ? it's a shame it was not you being kicked in the head and assaulted , you might then have a different view of things. I'm pretty sure you would not be saying community service and a suspended sentence is probably right then would you. Apologists for that is what you are live in cloud cuckoo land. :angry:

[flowwolf]

The girls were found guilty btw.

The point btw was they did not get the same treatment as the tram twat. It shows that shouting your silly racist mouth off is more serious than dishing out a four to one beating in the street. Stop patronizing people , I don't care what race you are or where you come from but for heavens sake get a bit of perspective . The tram women is doing time where as these low life scum walk out free to do a bit of community work . Now if you think that is fair and just them maybe there is a bit of Racist in you.

[I am Rod Hull]

Not sure if serious...

Are you telling me you don't why things like BET and Black History Month was created in the first place?

Never heard of em.. Whats Black History Month ?

[Guest MattP]

Very strange priorities now that a woman incoherently ranting on a bus is remanded in custody and won't spend Christmas with her family whilst 4 Somalians can drunkenly racially abuse, assault and leave a white girl for dead whilst spending no time on remand and receiving no jail time.

Scary times.

Been confirmed now the tram women will be inside until after the New Year. Very strange for a western country.

[21st Century Fox]

Been confirmed now the tram women will be inside until after the New Year. Very strange for a western country.

She may have previous

[Guest MattP]

She may have previous

Can that be taken into consideration at an original hearing?

[BoneDog]

I watched the tram incident a couple of days ago and the thing that struck me was how civilised it was. You'd expect fists to fly but everyone stayed pretty calm.

That other lady got a bit wound up when her kid had been awoken though, but overall it went alot better than expected!

[Guest Basildon Fox]

I have not read all the replies as it sickens me that these 4 RACIST THUGS got off by saying they had been drinking, so i'm not sure if anybody has mentioned this but surely if you are on dialysis 3 times a week surely it is stupid to drink alcohol, and who has actually proved that it was the first time they have drunk alcohol, or even if they had drank enough to impair their thoughts.

I bet the judgement would have been different if the person assaulted was from a well to do family.

What next getting away with drunk driving.

Check your facts knuckle dragger. They were CONVICTED of an offence. There was not enough EVIDENCE to convict them of a racially motivated attack. Oh and lastly if you had bothered to read some of the replies, they were handed the heaviest sentence possible for the crime they were convicted on.

Your stupidity and judgement based on the fact you know nothing about the case should astound me but alas I have read your ill informed shite before so it was somewhat expected.

[liamsm]

Check your facts knuckle dragger. They were CONVICTED of an offence. There was not enough EVIDENCE to convict them of a racially motivated attack. Oh and lastly if you had bothered to read some of the replies, they were handed the heaviest sentence possible for the crime they were convicted on.

Your stupidity and judgement based on the fact you know nothing about the case should astound me but alas I have read your ill informed shite before so it was somewhat expected.

What type of brain dead creature are you? There was a video with audio on it, if that was not clear enough for the judge to hear then fair enough, BUT they were convicted of ABH, oh i forgot you are thick, actual bodily harm, and for your information (not that you have a brain to remember this) but the punishment was not heaviest that could have been given for that offence, so if you dont know the facts Fook off you inbred.

Date Produced: 31 March 2010

Title: Offences against the Person

Offence: Assault occasioning Actual Bodily Harm

Legislation: Offences against the Person Act 1861 section 47

Mode of Trial: Either way

Statutory Limitations & Maximum Penalty: 5 years imprisoment

[breadandcheese]

That tram woman got wrongly screwed over. She didn't deserve that at all. I am for ultimate free spech, even if is bigoted, racist, anti-Semitic, misogynistic etc. etc. On the other hand, people also have a right to be offended by such speech. .

Forgetting the ladies' abhorrent racist views, what she was doing was harassment. Her behaviour was appalling and loutish. She should be reprimanded.

[Rincewind]

liamsm

I will not resort to name calling but does not the judge look at the facts involved in the case and pass sentence based on that? There must be various degrees of ABH not just the one so there would be variable degrees of sentence. Or am I being stupid too?

I am not a judge and I do not have all the paperwork in front of me and obviously you do or you would not be so convinced if you had approached it with an open mind.

[Babylon]

Been confirmed now the tram women will be inside until after the New Year. Very strange for a western country.

Just goes to show the law is an ass. If the sentences were the others way round nobody would be having this conversation.

Whatever happened to "sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me."

[Babylon]

What type of brain dead creature are you? There was a video with audio on it, if that was not clear enough for the judge to hear then fair enough, BUT they were convicted of ABH, oh i forgot you are thick, actual bodily harm, and for your information (not that you have a brain to remember this) but the punishment was not heaviest that could have been given for that offence, so if you dont know the facts Fook off you inbred.

Date Produced: 31 March 2010

Title: Offences against the Person

Offence: Assault occasioning Actual Bodily Harm

Legislation: Offences against the Person Act 1861 section 47

Mode of Trial: Either way

Statutory Limitations & Maximum Penalty: 5 years imprisoment

Whilst the maximum is 5 years, the suspended sentence is actually on the high side of what is usually dished out.

"ABH carries a maximum sentence of five years. As with common assault, if someone is being charged for the first time it is unlikely that they will go to prison with a fine the usual outcome. Again, if the offender has previous convictions or if they were proven to have had a particular motivation for the attack, specifically if it is racially motivated this could however lead to a prison sentence. "

[MikeyT]

I must be mad and not see the whole picture here.

Okay, we have no proof that the Somalian women were racist...that's a fact as there is no audio to prove (or have I missed something)

BUT..they 4 on 1 attacked, knocked to the ground and persistently beat and kicked another person.

Woman on tram, verbally abusing members from another race and swearing her head off in public.

Both scenarios inexcusable. The white woman on the train, has and should have been in trouble for what she said and quite rightly so. I think she is a disgrace and her views and opinions, to me personally, are inexcusable.

But how anyone can justify her being in prison and the other 4 women not be is beyond laughable after causing ABH on another person. A 4 on 1 attack causing not only physical but I'm sure mental scarring is rewarded with no prison time.

I'm sure many people on here will disagree with me, but that's fair enough and I respect everyone's views but I don't have to agree.

[Babylon]

I must be mad and not see the whole picture here.

Okay, we have no proof that the Somalian women were racist...that's a fact as there is no audio to prove (or have I missed something)

BUT..they 4 on 1 attacked, knocked to the ground and persistently beat and kicked another person.

Woman on tram, verbally abusing members from another race and swearing her head off in public.

Both scenarios inexcusable. The white woman on the train, has and should have been in trouble for what she said and quite rightly so. I think she is a disgrace and her views and opinions, to me personally, are inexcusable.

But how anyone can justify her being in prison and the other 4 women not be is beyond laughable after causing ABH on another person. A 4 on 1 attack causing not only physical but I'm sure mental scarring is rewarded with no prison time.

I'm sure many people on here will disagree with me, but that's fair enough and I respect everyone's views but I don't have to agree.

I'm not sure anyone has said any different.

Would be interested in the history of the tram women to see if she had any previous, would could actually play a part in any sentencing.

[liamsm]

liamsm

I will not resort to name calling but does not the judge look at the facts involved in the case and pass sentence based on that? There must be various degrees of ABH not just the one so there would be variable degrees of sentence. Or am I being stupid too?

I am not a judge and I do not have all the paperwork in front of me and obviously you do or you would not be so convinced if you had approached it with an open mind.

The thing i think you are being stupid about is, i was replying to a comment that they had been given the maximum sentance for the crime that they had been charged.

I don't normally name call but if i'm called i will retaliate.

Also i'm not the only one to think that the judge was wrong as there are a group of people with a table and forms in Leicester city centre today asking people to sign a petition for the judge to be fired and the courts to alter the sentences handed out to these criminals, there is long lines of people waiting to sign that it is coursing a problem and the police have asked them to move.

[liamsm]

Whilst the maximum is 5 years, the suspended sentence is actually on the high side of what is usually dished out.

"ABH carries a maximum sentence of five years. As with common assault, if someone is being charged for the first time it is unlikely that they will go to prison with a fine the usual outcome. Again, if the offender has previous convictions or if they were proven to have had a particular motivation for the attack, specifically if it is racially motivated this could however lead to a prison sentence. "

I agree, i was just responding to somebody who said they had got the maximum penalty for the crime

[Guest Basildon Fox]

What type of brain dead creature are you? There was a video with audio on it, if that was not clear enough for the judge to hear then fair enough, BUT they were convicted of ABH, oh i forgot you are thick, actual bodily harm, and for your information (not that you have a brain to remember this) but the punishment was not heaviest that could have been given for that offence, so if you dont know the facts Fook off you inbred.

Date Produced: 31 March 2010

Title: Offences against the Person

Offence: Assault occasioning Actual Bodily Harm

Legislation: Offences against the Person Act 1861 section 47

Mode of Trial: Either way

Statutory Limitations & Maximum Penalty: 5 years imprisoment

The kind of brain dead creature that reads and checks the facts first. Look at what you wrote. You said they got off, they did not. They were CONVICTED, there is no EVIDENCE to confirm they had been racist and so they received the MAXIMUM SENTENCE they could get with what they were charged with. Please check all of the facts then respond if you want .

[Koke]

I must be mad and not see the whole picture here.

Okay, we have no proof that the Somalian women were racist...that's a fact as there is no audio to prove (or have I missed something)

BUT..they 4 on 1 attacked, knocked to the ground and persistently beat and kicked another person.

Woman on tram, verbally abusing members from another race and swearing her head off in public.

Both scenarios inexcusable. The white woman on the train, has and should have been in trouble for what she said and quite rightly so. I think she is a disgrace and her views and opinions, to me personally, are inexcusable.

But how anyone can justify her being in prison and the other 4 women not be is beyond laughable after causing ABH on another person. A 4 on 1 attack causing not only physical but I'm sure mental scarring is rewarded with no prison time.

I'm sure many people on here will disagree with me, but that's fair enough and I respect everyone's views but I don't have to agree.

I don't think anyone actually is.

[Babylon]

Also i'm not the only one to think that the judge was wrong as there are a group of people with a table and forms in Leicester city centre today asking people to sign a petition for the judge to be fired and the courts to alter the sentences handed out to these criminals, there is long lines of people waiting to sign that it is coursing a problem and the police have asked them to move.

It's not the judge that was wrong, it's the guidelines they are given. Unfortunately many of the people signing it probably have been whipped up by the headlines without actually looking at the details.

A friend of mine was nearly killed in an attack the the guy responsible only got a two year suspended sentence. I didn't see people signing any petition for him, probably because they were both white and the Daily Mail didn't highlight a part of the defences case.... that didn't make any difference.

[MikeyT]

I don't think anyone actually is.

Sorry, I wasn't specific, my mistake.

I didn't mean people on here. I just meant anyone in general.

[Rincewind]

I wont sign the petition because I do not know all the facts. I thought I was being logical not stupid.

The trouble is people see a headline and are immediately swayed by it. Possibly because they are halfway there already. They need to take a step back so they can see the whole picture.

As others have said we don't know if the woman on the train had previous. That information is not always available to the press.

The other case is seperate and not comparable. Two different cases. Two different judges. Two different set of facts. Two different sentencing guidelines depending on the evidence heard and gathered. I was not in court for either case as were not many others protesting. The judge may have wanted to hand out a tougher sentence but to do so may also have going against the guidelines and if appealed against may result in aquittal. Do you want that?

[The Year Of The Fox]

So no white man has ever escaped jail for assault?

Its strange that people always seem to think theres some kind of consiparcy that whites are always treated harsher than non whites, its ludacras, just because you compare two seperate cases and assume that every similiar crime recieves the same sentence is nonsense, magistrates and judges interprate the sentencing guidelines differently.

And as for the common retort of 'sums this country up' or 'this country is a mess' etc etc...As if no other country has the same problems in society as we do...people really should get out more.

Hang on, if this was four whites attacking a muslim, it'd be a race crime and they would've been locked up.

Double standards IMO.

Its the VERY reason why a lot of people are fed up with immigration and more specifically the one rule for one one rule for another treatment

[liamsm]

The kind of brain dead creature that reads and checks the facts first. Look at what you wrote. You said they got off, they did not. They were CONVICTED, there is no EVIDENCE to confirm they had been racist and so they received the MAXIMUM SENTENCE they could get with what they were charged with. Please check all of the facts then respond if you want .

OY BRAIN DEAD, " reads and checks the facts first " then read my posts, i have never said they were not CONVICTED, and IMO they did get off (by reciving a very small punishment for the crime commited )

The fact i put about your MAXIMUM SENTENCE being wrong (if you had bothered to have read it properly) was for ABH nothing to do with racism.

TRY READ ING AND DIGESTING BEFORE YOU COMMENT NEXT TIME, BECAUSE I HAVE REALISED YOU REPLIES ARE NOT WORTH READING SO I WONT BOTHER READING ANYTHING ELSE YOU WRITE .

GOOD-BYE HAVE A NICE LIFE