Finnegan Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 Hi Kevin. Good to see someone from the club read Foxestalk. You must be soooooo proud of the way you killed off the Fosse Boys and destroyed the atmosphere at the stadium. Look at the positive effect this has had on results... I'm sorry but killing off the Fosse Boys didn't do anything at all for the atmosphere in the stadium. The Fosse Boys did nothing for the atmosphere in the stadium. I love Bilo to bits but, and I've told him this on several occasions, the Fosse Boys didn't do enough to integrate with the rest of the support and were too determined to do things "their own way." To that end, I think the post you quoted was pretty accurate really. Not sure about "giving the club a bad name" but a lot of people found them annoying and they did little to really address that, seemingly adopting more of a siege mentality instead which put them across as a little arrogant and aloof.
accessory Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 I'm sorry but killing off the Fosse Boys didn't do anything at all for the atmosphere in the stadium. The Fosse Boys did nothing for the atmosphere in the stadium. I love Bilo to bits but, and I've told him this on several occasions, the Fosse Boys didn't do enough to integrate with the rest of the support and were too determined to do things "their own way." To that end, I think the post you quoted was pretty accurate really. Not sure about "giving the club a bad name" but a lot of people found them annoying and they did little to really address that, seemingly adopting more of a siege mentality instead which put them across as a little arrogant and aloof. Which we'd never find among the inhabitants of L1, of course... The Fosse Boys were incredibly cliquey, which contributed in no small measure to their ultimate downfall. But the problem they tried to address is only getting worse.
Guest Bilo Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 I'm sorry but killing off the Fosse Boys didn't do anything at all for the atmosphere in the stadium. The Fosse Boys did nothing for the atmosphere in the stadium. I love Bilo to bits but, and I've told him this on several occasions, the Fosse Boys didn't do enough to integrate with the rest of the support and were too determined to do things "their own way." To that end, I think the post you quoted was pretty accurate really. Not sure about "giving the club a bad name" but a lot of people found them annoying and they did little to really address that, seemingly adopting more of a siege mentality instead which put them across as a little arrogant and aloof. I love you too Finners. Had the group managed to grow it could have created a genuine alternative to L1, which many people have become disillusioned with. For a number of reasons it didn't, Barclay being a factor and the rather confrontational approach of some group members being another. God knows some of the older heads tried to address that but it just wasn't happening. I think a lot just thought L1 wasn't perfect but at least you could stand for 90 minutes with no problems. Ideally, I'd have loved us to be able to set up in N Block and be next to the away fans, now that would have helped create an atmosphere and had potential to be successful, but the debacle of a few years in which Jamie and others were bullied out of the ground made that a non-starter. Which we'd never find among the inhabitants of L1, of course... The Fosse Boys were incredibly cliquey, which contributed in no small measure to their ultimate downfall. But the problem they tried to address is only getting worse. Unfair in my opinion, I honestly don't think anyone who would have come up and said hello would have felt like that for too long and I daresay we had more in common with some L1ers than you might realise. The age range was wider than you might have thought and a lot of us hadn't even met before the start of last season. That said, I can understand why people thought as much when we were doing our own thing. L1 isn't what it was sadly but then football in general isn't what it was, but I can't be arsed to go too far into that. I've lesson planning to do.
liamsm Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 Thank you best day in our history. May have been outsung as usual but no fat prat with the drum for the away fans to take the piss out of. Yes I know you lot find it difficult to chant without him but if you learn to live without him the atmosphere will improve eventually as you will be forced to come up with your own songs. Trust me. What like the rest of the ground, and why are you jealous of the " fat prat " ?
1964FOX Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 Can anyone tell me if row CC in K block stand as I may be tempted to move there for the Portsmouth game but I wot be sitting.
liamsm Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 I can't understand all this accustic stuff, the groud was built to stiffle the noise so that the local residents didn't hear the noise. Saturday proved that L1 needs the drum, oh and by the way the reason Jobber was not at the game is because he was in bed very ill If people that don't sit in L1 are concerned about the noise why don't a group of them just turn up and go into N section that way there will be city fans singing either side of the away fans and hopefully out sing them.
The Doctor Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 I can't understand all this accustic stuff, the groud was built to stiffle the noise so that the local residents didn't hear the noise. Saturday proved that L1 needs the drum, oh and by the way the reason Jobber was not at the game is because he was in bed very ill If people that don't sit in L1 are concerned about the noise why don't a group of them just turn up and go into N section that way there will be city fans singing either side of the away fans and hopefully out sing them. So you're not aware of what happened when the last bunch of people tried that (about 2007-ish), they were knifed in the back by Mr Barclay. It just won't work, L1 has only lasted because it got to a size unmanageable for him too quickly for him to stamp it out.
Dan Posted 13 December 2011 Posted 13 December 2011 True but you've got to ask yourself, how did that form?
liamsm Posted 13 December 2011 Posted 13 December 2011 So you're not aware of what happened when the last bunch of people tried that (about 2007-ish), they were knifed in the back by Mr Barclay. It just won't work, L1 has only lasted because it got to a size unmanageable for him too quickly for him to stamp it out. He would have problems doing it again surely, he might have got away with it the first time because at first fans didn't realise it was him but surely if he tried it again everybody would know what he was upto and could do something about it, also different owners do you think the Thai's would allow it? anyway if there are say 300-500 in the kop that want to sing why not get together and arrange it
jonthefox Posted 13 December 2011 Posted 13 December 2011 I can't understand all this accustic stuff, the groud was built to stiffle the noise so that the local residents didn't hear the noise. Saturday proved that L1 needs the drum, oh and by the way the reason Jobber was not at the game is because he was in bed very ill If people that don't sit in L1 are concerned about the noise why don't a group of them just turn up and go into N section that way there will be city fans singing either side of the away fans and hopefully out sing them. There arn't any.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 13 December 2011 Posted 13 December 2011 He would have problems doing it again surely, he might have got away with it the first time because at first fans didn't realise it was him but surely if he tried it again everybody would know what he was upto and could do something about it, also different owners do you think the Thai's would allow it? anyway if there are say 300-500 in the kop that want to sing why not get together and arrange it They tried that (or at least the fosse boys did, trying to get fans out of l block n the kop to be with them) It seems that everyone's happy to moan about the atmosphere but few are happy to move their seat to somewhere where they know there will be an atmosphere. L and k blocks are the only way forward. is strongly encourage anyone who wants to moan about the atmosphere tries and gets tickets up there. Noone looks at you funnily if you start off a song. There's one lad who does it week in week out and everyone follows suite
liamsm Posted 13 December 2011 Posted 13 December 2011 They tried that (or at least the fosse boys did, trying to get fans out of l block n the kop to be with them) It seems that everyone's happy to moan about the atmosphere but few are happy to move their seat to somewhere where they know there will be an atmosphere. L and k blocks are the only way forward. is strongly encourage anyone who wants to moan about the atmosphere tries and gets tickets up there. Noone looks at you funnily if you start off a song. There's one lad who does it week in week out and everyone follows suite The Fosse boys were a bit of a closed shop and didn't really encourage other fans to join them and you dont need flags to create an atmosphere, you have got to follow the clubs guide lines to start with until you get large enough and then start doing what L1 do, on saying that you are possibly right in saying most just wanna moan but do note about it
blueharmie Posted 13 December 2011 Posted 13 December 2011 sorry but the kop has got no atmosphere. sat in there this season a few times as its an extra £5 odd to sit in K i think. Its only slightly better than the old carling stand at filbert street tbh. L1 (had a season ticket in there years ago) is the place for atmosphere as its near the away fans, you cant generate anything near that in the kop sorounded by your own support! lcfc will never move the kop so people have to move to L and K, its def getting better and within a few years i think that will get even better. i cant understand for the life of me about those than moan about atmosphere when YOU have a choice to change it. there is no way id sit in the kop for a good old sing song/banter and basicallly its sh!te.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 13 December 2011 Posted 13 December 2011 sorry but the kop has got no atmosphere. sat in there this season a few times as its an extra £5 odd to sit in K i think. Its only slightly better than the old carling stand at filbert street tbh. L1 (had a season ticket in there years ago) is the place for atmosphere as its near the away fans, you cant generate anything near that in the kop sorounded by your own support! lcfc will never move the kop so people have to move to L and K, its def getting better and within a few years i think that will get even better. i cant understand for the life of me about those than moan about atmosphere when YOU have a choice to change it. there is no way id sit in the kop for a good old sing song/banter and basicallly its sh!te. Agree, though I think if it does get any bigger (and better) the powers that be will do something about it. The best way to describe l and k is that at most games it feels as if youre at an away game. If you look at the away games where we've took say less than 1k, I'd put my money on l block having a better atmosphere. (in other words, I'd say that for most games in l or k, its better than the cardiff away game for eg. Due to numbers and standing en masse
Dan Posted 13 December 2011 Posted 13 December 2011 I'm currently in H block, that's only because I get my season ticket paid for and otherwise I wouldn't be able to go (as it stands), I can't see the standing reaching H block, put it that way, it'd be amazing if it did, but I don't see it. I have noticed L1 has grown a lot though and it's getting bigger. Sadly though like I say whilst you've still got ****ing cvnts like Barclay at the club who just appear to oppose every single thing the fans on my wavelength want, you've not got much hope. I've stood with the FB for one game, I rated them, good song range, not sang at 1mil mph. Sadly, the numbers were awful, and that was for me down to a mixture of shite treatment from the club, and the fact at first they did seem to alienate people a little with a lot of the foreign songs, I'm sure if they'd grown a bit bigger over say some away pre-season friendlies and hadn't started with a load of foreign songs, they might still be there in decent numbers, sadly, it's basically a lost cause, hardly any of our support would give them a second chance. Still what lcfcstu (was it?) said is an interesting one and someone earlier suggested this, the FB move to L1, don't act like a group or all of that, start off the kind of songs they did when I went up with them (Palace at home last year) and over time you'll get people joining in. I do have hope that one day a good atmosphere will develop at our ground. Sadly whilst we're still too corportate/family orientated and you've got anti-atmosphere pro-PC/safety bellends like Barclay still there, your chances are deeply limited.
1964FOX Posted 13 December 2011 Posted 13 December 2011 The Fosse Boys made mistakes and wanted too much leeway far to soon. Barclay was willing to work with us but non conformist attitude got in the way, this then gave him the leverage he wanted to disrupt the group. There was a turning point when large numbers of the old Kopites came to join us one game but this was not used to our benefit as I would have liked. Some of the lads in the group had very strong views and would not move an inch and I admire them for sticking to their principles but it was not the way to make the group grow. There really was an opportunity to create something special but it didn't work, it doesn't mean it could not work in the future but people really do have to be prepared to join in and go through the inevitable flack they will get from a very cautious Barclay and fellow fans.
Oh tommy wright Posted 13 December 2011 Posted 13 December 2011 Bloody hell never thought having an atmosphere was so complicated
1964FOX Posted 13 December 2011 Posted 13 December 2011 What sort of views? Based on ultra culture, not willing to compromise, fine if there's enough like minded people but clearly the majority who may have joined did not share such a clearly defined view of how to support a team. Change was required to get these people into the group but they did not want a water down version of what they intended the group to be. They were very tolerant of my alliterative methods and give and take tactics and were prepared to welcome others into the group. I still believe we could have had flags, banners and such had we been more conformist but as I said I respected their principles but it was the downfall of the group. I was one of the older members of the group so had experience on my side and they always showed me respect, they are a good bunch of lads and certainly not 'cliquey' as has been suggested, just strong minded individuals with a vision of what support should be.
leicesterseddon Posted 13 December 2011 Posted 13 December 2011 The Fosse Boys made mistakes and wanted too much leeway far to soon. Barclay was willing to work with us but non conformist attitude got in the way, this then gave him the leverage he wanted to disrupt the group. There was a turning point when large numbers of the old Kopites came to join us one game but this was not used to our benefit as I would have liked. Some of the lads in the group had very strong views and would not move an inch and I admire them for sticking to their principles but it was not the way to make the group grow. There really was an opportunity to create something special but it didn't work, it doesn't mean it could not work in the future but people really do have to be prepared to join in and go through the inevitable flack they will get from a very cautious Barclay and fellow fans. Well, as far as I could see, the main thing the club objected to with the Fosse Boys was that they stood persistently thoughout matches (which, of course, is in breach of ground regulations, so they have to be seen to try to clamp down on it). That was the sticking issue really. On the other side of the coin, the Fosse Boys clearly felt that being able to stand freely throughout the game is a prerequisite for being able to create a good atmosphere (which, let's face it, is correct). But because they only had small numbers to begin with, the club were able to bully them into submission. On the other side of the ground, large numbers of fans in L/K block commit exactly the same breach of ground regulations every week - but there are too many people in that area of the ground to control, so the club let it slide. So the fundamental question is, could the Fosse Boys have garnered support as a group (and shown that they could help the atmosphere) without standing? Personally, I don't think they could have...so in a sense, they were doomed from the start. Ultimately, standing is a central issue here (as it was in the migration to L1 in the first place). The fact is, many fans - not just at Leicest, but all over the country - want to be able to stand throughout games, but prevailing government thinking (for the moment) means that the likelihood of this changing anytime soon is still slim - although thought on the matter is changing, albeit slowly. Despite this, you only have to watch games around the country to notice that fans can impose their own de facto rules by acting in numbers. Up and down the country, thousands of fans stand freely at games every week, and they get away with it if they do it in large numbers. Strength in numbers is the key here - and the Fosse Boys didn't have it.
Guest Bilo Posted 13 December 2011 Posted 13 December 2011 The Fosse Boys made mistakes and wanted too much leeway far to soon. Barclay was willing to work with us but non conformist attitude got in the way, this then gave him the leverage he wanted to disrupt the group. There was a turning point when large numbers of the old Kopites came to join us one game but this was not used to our benefit as I would have liked. Some of the lads in the group had very strong views and would not move an inch and I admire them for sticking to their principles but it was not the way to make the group grow. There really was an opportunity to create something special but it didn't work, it doesn't mean it could not work in the future but people really do have to be prepared to join in and go through the inevitable flack they will get from a very cautious Barclay and fellow fans. Based on ultra culture, not willing to compromise, fine if there's enough like minded people but clearly the majority who may have joined did not share such a clearly defined view of how to support a team. Change was required to get these people into the group but they did not want a water down version of what they intended the group to be. They were very tolerant of my alliterative methods and give and take tactics and were prepared to welcome others into the group. I still believe we could have had flags, banners and such had we been more conformist but as I said I respected their principles but it was the downfall of the group. I was one of the older members of the group so had experience on my side and they always showed me respect, they are a good bunch of lads and certainly not 'cliquey' as has been suggested, just strong minded individuals with a vision of what support should be. Needless to say, I fully agree with you mate. We could perhaps have tried the middle ground and ramped it up over time as the numbers grew, with hindsight we wanted too much too soon.
LCFC FOX Posted 13 December 2011 Posted 13 December 2011 Everyone who wants to create an atmosphere who doesn't sit in L1 or K1 get tickets for there when you buy them! Even better if you get a season ticket there. Hopefully then we see a whole section from top to bottom standing start to go across the stand.
Oh tommy wright Posted 13 December 2011 Posted 13 December 2011 Jesus the hard core vocal support are so much more articulate than they were in my day.
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