L1 today

[Kitchandro]

Oh give over perpetuating the acoustics myth would you? Plenty of other clubs manage to make an atmosphere in stadiums like ours. Hell, West Brom and Leeds have managed to come and make a good atmosphere IN ours - as have numerous others. Granted little clubs like Blackpool and Plymouth can come here and you can't hear their away support but for the most part, from where I sit, I hear them more than anywhere else in the ground unless the Kop are particularly fired up.

The bottom line is not many people in our stadium sing and those that do are split in two, at opposite ends of the ground. That's it, that's all there is, there's nothing else to the argument.

It's not a myth at all, it's quite true. It's not the only issue, but the fact that people judge our atmosphere so wrongly from over the other side of the ground speaks volumes for the acoustics. They are ****ed up.

'Numerous others', who then? Very, very few. If you can hear the away fans when I'm next to them and can barely hear them, then there must be something up, and no it's not my ears.

Where are you getting this 2 seperate singing sections thing from? There is one singing section (which is bigger than most in this league) and pretty much just the top row of the Kop.

[Walker]

Was my first home game of the season yesterday and found the lack of atmosphere incredibly demoralizing. For some reason I decided to give the West Stand a whirl, what a mistake. When people said it's like a library in there, you weren't joking, were you?! Tried to join in with the chants I could vaguely hear from the Kop but they seemed to die out instantly. In the end I started to join in with the L1 boys whenever a song broke out. Actually found it quite amusing some of the looks I was getting, so was just shouting for the sake of it. All in all a very disappointing. Glad i'm not living in the East Midlands anymore as going to that ground on a regular basis would be utterly depressing. Hats off to those who at least turn up and try to create an atmosphere though..

[Finnegan]

It's not a myth at all, it's quite true. It's not the only issue, but the fact that people judge our atmosphere so wrongly from over the other side of the ground speaks volumes for the acoustics. They are ****ed up.

Funny how Scarlets / Tigers a few years ago managed to fill the place with noise 'en ain't it.

And the atmosphere isn't being "judged wrongly" from "over the other side of the ground." It's exactly the right place to judge it from, you can never tell how loud it sounds from being stood in the midst of it because it's not relative to anything else to you. Believe me, plenty of teams' fans come to the KP and outsing L1 and make a decent noise down our end. Off the top of my head the above two did, Millwall did, Man City did, Swansea and Cardiff regularly do, Peterborough just about managed to on Saturday, Palace did, Brighton were fairly surprising n'all.

And it's not particularly shocking that they give it more bollocks, away fans always do, by rights our away support is usually pretty fantastic as well. But given your point is entirely acoustics I find that somewhat irrelevant.

The ground doesn't hold noise because it's not particularly steep, yes, and it isn't as enclosed as Filbert Street so the acoustics aren't as good as they were. But they're not as decisive a factor as everyone likes to make out on this forum. Just a few simpletons trying to use it as an excuse for the fact we simply just don't have fans like some other clubs, we just aren't a big singing club. At the end of the day, one word to anyone who thinks this sort of stadium can't contain noise: "Stoke."

We're just very much a corporate, family club, like it or not.

Where are you getting this 2 seperate singing sections thing from? There is one singing section (which is bigger than most in this league) and pretty much just the top row of the Kop.

So.. that's two sections then.. isn't it? Pretty much answered your own question.

On a good day the Kop is more than just a handful of people singing, it's quite tidy to be fair when people really get going. You might not be able to hear it over your own singing but then that just reinforces the point I'm making about how hard it is to actually judge from within. The Fosse Boys are another classic example, I imagine they thought they were making quite a bit of din at their peak but I couldn't hear a bloody peep out of them.

[Hirsty The Blue 94]

We sit at the back of SK4 and my mate took an old fashioned rattle to the game to try and create some noise... Shows how bad its got in the Kop and we are seriously considering moving to L1.

[Finnegan]

I heard the rattle.

[Leicester_Loyal]

L1 and K1 is a lot better than the KOP. Move there if you want atmosphere.

[Marmite]

Where abouts do you sit in L1 mate?

Near the front as we could not get near the back but plan on trying to get further back next season

[Leicester_Loyal]

Near the front as we could not get near the back but plan on trying to get further back next season

Its quality near the back of L1 and K1, would definitely recommend it.

[Kitchandro]

Funny how Scarlets / Tigers a few years ago managed to fill the place with noise 'en ain't it.

And the atmosphere isn't being "judged wrongly" from "over the other side of the ground." It's exactly the right place to judge it from, you can never tell how loud it sounds from being stood in the midst of it because it's not relative to anything else to you. Believe me, plenty of teams' fans come to the KP and outsing L1 and make a decent noise down our end. Off the top of my head the above two did, Millwall did, Man City did, Swansea and Cardiff regularly do, Peterborough just about managed to on Saturday, Palace did, Brighton were fairly surprising n'all.

And it's not particularly shocking that they give it more bollocks, away fans always do, by rights our away support is usually pretty fantastic as well. But given your point is entirely acoustics I find that somewhat irrelevant.

The ground doesn't hold noise because it's not particularly steep, yes, and it isn't as enclosed as Filbert Street so the acoustics aren't as good as they were. But they're not as decisive a factor as everyone likes to make out on this forum. Just a few simpletons trying to use it as an excuse for the fact we simply just don't have fans like some other clubs, we just aren't a big singing club. At the end of the day, one word to anyone who thinks this sort of stadium can't contain noise: "Stoke."

We're just very much a corporate, family club, like it or not.

If I in K cannot here the away fans singing at all, and if there is visibly only about 100 of them singing, then there is no way they are outsinging us no matter where in the ground you are.Are you talking about the Millwall that beat us 3-0? Man City it was pretty even as although they were very loud at times there were periods of silence from their end throughout the game and vice versa. You can't confuse silence. I can't remember the atmosphere against Swansea from last season though I do remember the Cardiff game being a very good atmosphere from our side.

Brighton were loud early on but faded into silence for long periods, About 100 Palace fans were singing and only in 10 minute intervals. Obviiously some people seem to think Peterborough took the piss yesterday but I completely disagree.

Tell me - if the away support is so good most of the time why is between 80 and 90% always sitting down except for a goal and a few minutes after it? Because almost all the away support fits that description.

No my point isn't entirely acoustics, I said it wasn't in my previous post. My main point is our home support isn't that bad when you're making modern comparisons. And also since you're bringing it up that the away support at our ground is generally poor.

Please don't compare our Stadium to the Britannia, as there are significant differences, namely a bigger roof on 2 of the stands and the fact it's not connected the whole way around. Think about the games that are on TV - the Man City one for example. If the acoustics weren't an issue then you'd be able to hear them as clearly as a ot of the old grounds and the Britannia on the TV. Today on the Sky game you could hear the Spurs fans very loudly as well as the Stoke fans. You couldn't hear the Man City fans nearly as loudly as you could the Spurs fans today.

When Howard scored that goal against Leeds in League One you cannot deny that most of the ground was going absolutely mental and shouting their lungs off. Yet the sound on the TV didn't do it justice like it would at better designed grounds.

No they aren't a decisive factor but they do obviously make a difference if you are judging it from the other side of the ground. I sat in the 'away section' for the Madrid game and the usual singing section was in the East Stand - and I can tell you it sounded very loud when you are next to it (and not amongst it)

Very few grounds have large groups of singers all the way round, I haven't been to one yet. Judging the atmosphere is relative to what part of the ground you are sitting or in which way you are judging it. Even so I've been to a number of grounds where I couldn't even work out where the singing section was supposed to be.

[Oh tommy wright]

The worrying thing as a sad 40 year old who sits next to the away fans in the family stand in the vain hope of rekindling my youth with a bit of banter, is this...

I actually go to the game and not hope for a win, but hope for a good atmosphere and pray we don't get out sung by 300 away fans. Every game I am disappointed. Acoustics my arse.

I think I just need to resign myself to the fact that it is never going to happen.

And yes personally, the first couple of seasons under Brian Little were pretty special Some great atmospheres home and away. I feel sorry for the young lads in L block who never experienced it.

I am not having a go at anybody, I think we just have to admit that we are one of many clubs who have not got good vocal support.

Yes sorry I do of course always I hope for BIG win, and yes I never get that either. When was the last time we scored 6 or 7 anyway

[Kitchandro]

The worrying thing as a sad 40 year old who sits next to the away fans in the family stand in the vain hope of rekindling my youth with a bit of banter, is this...

I actually go to the game and not hope for a win, but hope for a good atmosphere and pray we don't get out sung by 300 away fans. Every game I am disappointed. Acoustics my arse.

I think I just need to resign myself to the fact that it is never going to happen.

And yes personally, the first couple of seasons under Brian Little were pretty special Some great atmospheres home and away. I feel sorry for the young lads in L block who never experienced it.

I am not having a go at anybody, I think we just have to admit that we are one of many clubs who have not got good vocal support.

Yes sorry I do of course always I hope for BIG win, and yes I never get that either. When was the last time we scored 6 or 7 anyway

And where do you sit? The Family Stand.

Unbelievable.

[I am Rod Hull]

The worrying thing as a sad 40 year old who sits next to the away fans in the family stand in the vain hope of rekindling my youth with a bit of banter, is this...

I actually go to the game and not hope for a win, but hope for a good atmosphere and pray we don't get out sung by 300 away fans. Every game I am disappointed. Acoustics my arse.

I think I just need to resign myself to the fact that it is never going to happen.

And yes personally, the first couple of seasons under Brian Little were pretty special Some great atmospheres home and away. I feel sorry for the young lads in L block who never experienced it.

I am not having a go at anybody, I think we just have to admit that we are one of many clubs who have not got good vocal support.

Yes sorry I do of course always I hope for BIG win, and yes I never get that either. When was the last time we scored 6 or 7 anyway

Nowt wrong with that post, pretty airtight...

"OOH Tommy Wright, OOH Tommy Wright"...

[Finnegan]

If I in K cannot here the away fans singing at all, and if there is visibly only about 100 of them singing, then there is no way they are outsinging us no matter where in the ground you are.Are you talking about the Millwall that beat us 3-0? Man City it was pretty even as although they were very loud at times there were periods of silence from their end throughout the game and vice versa. You can't confuse silence. I can't remember the atmosphere against Swansea from last season though I do remember the Cardiff game being a very good atmosphere from our side.

Brighton were loud early on but faded into silence for long periods, About 100 Palace fans were singing and only in 10 minute intervals. Obviiously some people seem to think Peterborough took the piss yesterday but I completely disagree.

Tell me - if the away support is so good most of the time why is between 80 and 90% always sitting down except for a goal and a few minutes after it? Because almost all the away support fits that description.

I don't give a shit how long they sang for, you were perpetuating that tired old rubbish about being unable to be loud in our stadium because of rubbish acoustics and I was giving you examples of clubs whose fans managed it just fine.

You can change the argument if you want and make it about something else because you realise that I'm right, that much is up to you, but that's beyond the point of my caring.

Please don't compare our Stadium to the Britannia, as there are significant differences, namely a bigger roof on 2 of the stands and the fact it's not connected the whole way around.

Exactly. It's pretty much identical to half the other modern stadia in the country, ours included, except for the fact it's not a complete bowl. It's missing corners, being partially open air. Which I'd expect, if anything, to allow more sound to escape.

Very few grounds have large groups of singers all the way round, I haven't been to one yet. Judging the atmosphere is relative to what part of the ground you are sitting or in which way you are judging it. Even so I've been to a number of grounds where I couldn't even work out where the singing section was supposed to be.

I didn't say we need or should have people singing the whole way around the ground, though it would be nice.

I'm simply saying, as I've said before, that if our entire singing support was at the same end it'd generate better noise than it currently does. I don't really see how there's much of an argument against that, I'm pretty sure it's covered in year 6 science.

Just a shame the club never put the away fans next to the Kop, where the Fosse Boys sit, as I think it'd have made a tidy difference. Alas.

[1964FOX]

Unfortunately this was never going to happen, the away fans were placed where they are as it takes them straight out onto the main road and directly to where the coaches pick them up. Placing them in the Kop end would mean they would have to walk down the side of the stadium potentially creating a confrontation point should Leicester fans block the way out. Where they are now is much Tatctically easier to police if there is any coming together of fans, simple decision for the powers that be during the initial considerations of the new stadium.

[Dan]

No acoustics argument for me.

Not saying they're great, but teams have proved that you can create an atmosphere there (Leicester included in fairness, we've had our days).

The usual arguments could be put forward, Swap the Kop/Family Stand etc... the saddening fact is, the club don't care one bit about the atmosphere, I'm not blaming the Thais necessarily, it was just like this before they got here, but whilst they give you this "we've sold so many tickets for Peterborough, winter wonderland etc... it should be a fantastic atmosphere!" bollocks, it seems people buy it. They've proven to me with their actions with that block in N (was it), the Fosse Boys, and the state of the Kop in terms of atmosphere, that they couldn't care shit.

One day, you never know, we might change, it just pisses me off to the max that they don't.

[Happy Fox]

No acoustics argument for me.

Not saying they're great, but teams have proved that you can create an atmosphere there (Leicester included in fairness, we've had our days).

The usual arguments could be put forward, Swap the Kop/Family Stand etc... the saddening fact is, the club don't care one bit about the atmosphere, I'm not blaming the Thais necessarily, it was just like this before they got here, but whilst they give you this "we've sold so many tickets for Peterborough, winter wonderland etc... it should be a fantastic atmosphere!" bollocks, it seems people buy it. They've proven to me with their actions with that block in N (was it), the Fosse Boys, and the state of the Kop in terms of atmosphere, that they couldn't care shit.

One day, you never know, we might change, it just pisses me off to the max that they don't.

Who is giving the owners advice is it a certain K Barcley?

[shilton_fox]

I moved to L1 this season after many years in silence getting dodgy looks every time i sang in the kop and tbf the atmosphere is better in L1 but we still get outsung by away fans who bring 2000 plus as they have far more people ready to sing then we do and with them all sat together they can make noise where as with about 1000 in L were gonna struggle outsinging a team like leeds.

[Dan]

Who is giving the owners advice is it a certain K Barcley?

Well he's the common denominator, he's been there during the whole time. I really wonder how it'd be if he wasn't there.

Extremely, extremely concerning that he was given a promotion though, without doubt the worst thing the owners have done.

[TheOnlyWayIsSchlupp!]

Probably not a popular view (cant believe im saying it myself) but the Fosse Boys should come back and move to L1/K1, It sounds stupid as they were so annoying and gave Leicester a bad name last season but at least they were coming up with witty inventive songs.

If they just blended in and didnt act like twats we could get some good, funny and witty chants going. Plus it would boost the numbers in the areas where we make the most noise.

[The Doctor]

Probably not a popular view (cant believe im saying it myself) but the Fosse Boys should come back and move to L1/K1, It sounds stupid as they were so annoying and gave Leicester a bad name last season but at least they were coming up with witty inventive songs.

If they just blended in and didnt act like twats we could get some good, funny and witty chants going. Plus it would boost the numbers in the areas where we make the most noise.

One of the main things about the group though was trying to get a bit of "atmosphere" back into the kop, moving to L1/K1 would sort of make that redundant.

[Corky]

The Kop's liveliest moment was the Peregrine Falcon incident at the Watford game.

If that happened every week there would no complaints about the noise levels

[accessory]

Probably not a popular view (cant believe im saying it myself) but the Fosse Boys should come back and move to L1/K1, It sounds stupid as they were so annoying and gave Leicester a bad name last season but at least they were coming up with witty inventive songs.

If they just blended in and didnt act like twats we could get some good, funny and witty chants going. Plus it would boost the numbers in the areas where we make the most noise.

Hi Kevin. Good to see someone from the club read Foxestalk.

You must be soooooo proud of the way you killed off the Fosse Boys and destroyed the atmosphere at the stadium. Look at the positive effect this has had on results...

[AlphaMaleFox]

One of the main things about the group though was trying to get a bit of "atmosphere" back into the kop, moving to L1/K1 would sort of make that redundant.

It's all about the name. The Spion Kop, you're kidding. It is just another family stand. The "atmosphere" there is non-existent from the beginning of the Walkers/King Power Stadium.

Why it is so difficult to acknowledge the real Kop - successor and continuator of the spirit of Filbert Street is now L1/K1?

[accessory]

It's all about the name. The Spion Kop, you're kidding. It is just another family stand. The "atmosphere" there is non-existent from the beginning of the Walkers/King Power Stadium.

Why it is so difficult to acknowledge the real Kop - successor and continuator of the spirit of Filbert Street is now L1/K1?

Possibly because it's not true, no matter how many times you repeat the myth.

The Kop is still suffering from Barclay's successful extermination of the Fosse Boys. Any group who tries in future to generate a better atmosphere in the Kop will meet a similar fate, unless they can gather far bigger numbers than the FBs ever managed.

But L1/K1 will never have enough numbers to take on any decent-sized away following, whether it be Leeds, Southampton or many top Premier clubs. They'll continue to be regarded as brainless chavs (even by large sections of our support) of the type we see at places like Coventry or Hull.

We can and should be doing better than this, although results and performances on the pitch aren't exactly helping either.

[Guest Col city fan]

Really? I thought it was good in K, very good in fact. Obviously it went a bit quiet after thy scored but generally I thought the atmosphere was one of the better ones this season.

same here...I thought L1 made quite a bit of noise on Saturday. keep it up lads.....

HOWEVER, its so obvious that we go quiet when we aint playing well, when the opposition score etc...

I want noise from L1 through thick and thin.... for me this is the problem. Its easy to keep the singing up when we are playing well and winning, more difficult to keep it going when we aint.

I've always thought that the yardstick of a great set of 'loyal supporters' is those who keep up the singing even if their team is five-nil down!!