L1 today

[The Year Of The Fox]

Jesus the hard core vocal support are so much more articulate than they were in my day.

We're not the thickos we're made out to be!

[glen parva fox]

It's about time the club took notice of the fans, money can't buy you everything

[Dan]

1964FOX has a lot of that spot on, too much too soon is the problem I thought they had.

As does LeicesterSeddon. The big one though for me from that - you say the Fosse Boys were doomed from the start, the fact they were stood in small numbers and were easily bullied off, but I said it earlier and no-one answered, how did L1 start? Genuine question. Surely they didn't produce the numbers who stand now instantly?

[Kitchandro]

Why don't the Fosse Boys all try and go in J? We won't spread the atmosphere around the whole ground but we can spread it across and down the East Stand. Since L and K already are a singing section the best plan would be to make it bigger. Trying to make the Kop loud is a bit unrealistic.

[leicesterseddon]

1964FOX has a lot of that spot on, too much too soon is the problem I thought they had.

As does LeicesterSeddon. The big one though for me from that - you say the Fosse Boys were doomed from the start, the fact they were stood in small numbers and were easily bullied off, but I said it earlier and no-one answered, how did L1 start? Genuine question. Surely they didn't produce the numbers who stand now instantly?

That's a good question, and one I don't have a comprehensive answer to.

However, a possible answer may be found in the fact that there are two main differences between the Fosse Boys movement and the 'L1 migration':

1) The 'L1 migration' occured in stages over a few seasons, rather than being 'announced' as a project. The club perhaps felt the FB set themselves up as a confrontational group, deliberately attempting to subvert the rules (and the club's authority), and perhaps felt they would have to act to save face.

2) L1 is (and was) an exclusively season-ticket holder block. I'm not sure why this came about - I'm guessing it's so that the club felt they could have more knowledge/control over the fans sitting next to the away fans? Anyway, it's possible this made them adopt a more conciliatory attitude, because they knew the fans would be there for many games to come, and that they'd have to adopt a more flexible position.

As I said though, it's an interesting question, and there may be other reasons...I'm sure someone will suggest some!

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Why don't the Fosse Boys all try and go in J? We won't spread the atmosphere around the whole ground but we can spread it across and down the East Stand. Since L and K already are a singing section the best plan would be to make it bigger. Trying to make the Kop loud is a bit unrealistic.

J is one of the most expensive sections of the ground and I personally prefer being behind a goal. I spent 2007-10 in L1 and grew disillusioned with the brand of "bantoh" in the place, the songs being sung too fast and over too quickly and a growing lack of interest in actually singing towards the team.

Frankly I've pretty much decided I'm not bothering renewing next season, since there's nowhere I can enjoy myself any more. Shame, because last season was great, if a little disappointing at times.

[Bert]

J is one of the most expensive sections of the ground and I personally prefer being behind a goal. I spent 2007-10 in L1 and grew disillusioned with the brand of "bantoh" in the place, the songs being sung too fast and over too quickly and a growing lack of interest in actually singing towards the team.

Frankly I've pretty much decided I'm not bothering at all next season, since there's nowhere I can enjoy myself any more. Shame, because last season was great, if a little disappointing at times.

With your arrogance you'd be best off in the west stand.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

With your arrogance you'd be best off in the west stand.

Just the way I saw it, sorry. Arrogant? You clearly don't know me. I experienced L1 over three seasons, enjoyed it for a bit and stopped doing so. Dunno why that appears to offend you so.

[acooling08]

Just the way I saw it, sorry. Arrogant? You clearly don't know me. I experienced L1 over three seasons, enjoyed it for a bit and stopped doing so. Dunno why that appears to offend you so.

Not having a go, but this attitude from fans like you will make the stadium quieter and quieter.

[The Doctor]

Not having a go, but this attitude from fans like you will make the stadium quieter and quieter.

How so?

If a person isn't enjoying L1 (quite frankly I doubt I'd ever want to move over there because the whole away fan "Bantoh" is not my thing) then they're more than welcome to stand and sing in the kop or any other part of the ground - it's been a month since my last match (Leeds) but from what I've seen the back 5 rows or so stand all game and it's not hard to sing, I fail to see why that would make the ground quieter.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Not having a go, but this attitude from fans like you will make the stadium quieter and quieter.

I can understand that a bit more, people who enjoy L1 and K want singers in that area of the ground to make it bigger and louder, but I decided I couldn't get on with the culture of that part of the ground any more. City supporters are welcome to do as they please, but I wasn't enjoying it so I went with a few other like-minded City fans going to see if we can try spark up a bit of atmosphere elsewhere (and in the spiritual home of the ground atmosphere). I would argue the people who say "the Kop will never change" are harming the chances of an atmosphere more than people who try to start songs in other parts of the ground. When I've heard songs coming from the East Stand or SK4, I've usually been one of the first to try and start the same song in SK1 to try and get an all around atmosphere going. I'm not helping the East Stand by choosing to go to the Kop, no, but I'm hardly hurting the atmosphere by trying to sing for 90 minutes, too.

[Oh tommy wright]

1964FOX has a lot of that spot on, too much too soon is the problem I thought they had.

As does LeicesterSeddon. The big one though for me from that - you say the Fosse Boys were doomed from the start, the fact they were stood in small numbers and were easily bullied off, but I said it earlier and no-one answered, how did L1 start? Genuine question. Surely they didn't produce the numbers who stand now instantly?

Just remember spending most of the time arguing with police and stewards. People getting man handled out the ground and band for season just for standing. Always sat on the back row, as knew that was the only way to hold on to my season ticket. Yes it was a smaller group, many of the lads were those that stood in the kop next to the away fans at filbo. Then more of the younger lads started to come over (as it should be as their the ones that really represent the club). Problem was of course was when the club started to embrace L 1 and appointed a cheerleader with a drum. Quite a few of the old kop leaders of filbo moved away either just because age means you have to at a certain point in your life or because they just found the whole idea of a drum ( which was not needed at the time) just a bit pathetic and embarrassing. For me it was a bit of both.

I can not stress this enough. One of the main reasons for diminishing atmosphere is the introduction of the bloody drum.

So stop moaning about the bloody atmosphere (like I'm doing) and what the club could or couldn't do. Get bloody singing. Many of you still find when you're smiling very complicated and yes sing it far too fast, so keep it simple go for the prolonged chanting of Leicester, Leicester or the old classic Blue Army, Blue Army. In the old days we could keep it going for 20 odd minutes. May be a bit ambitious. Let's say 5 mins

[Houdini Logic]

The drum helps with the atmosphere. fact.

[Guest Col city fan]

I don't know anything much about the Fosse boys to be fair.

One of my thoughts at the time though, if I'm gonna be brutally honest was that I really couldn't hear them. Positioned where they were at the top of the stand made me think of them as a breakaway group who, though having good intentions, weren't serving much purpose to the general atmosphere of the ground.

Fair play to them for trying though and I bet they had a right laff doing it, but I looked up a few times from my seat and thought 'who they?' and 'why'?

Just my opinion and don't mean any offence...

[Bayfox]

A few points, yes L1 was quiet on saturday, without jobber and his drum, which I was shocked by to be honest, when I used to stand in SK1 at filbert St, part of being next to the away fans was the fact that the banter between fans always helped induce the atmosphere. However it now seems without Jobber banging his drum that section of the ground is a bit clueless.

On the subject of the Kop, moving it in keeping with the end of the ground it was in relation to filbert st, was effectively doomed from the start, I know why the club did it and why the away fans are positioned where they are, but swapping the kop and the family stands would have helped, it is too late now, but pinning the away section between a kop and the now established L1 section I think would boost atmosphere, the fact we are so far apart and the sound has so far to travel makes our ground so quiet, yet for games such as the scunthorpe game which was a celebration or going up under Micky Adams shows when things are going well and 3 sides of the ground join in, it can sound loud.

Finally on the Subject of the Fosse boys, i've voiced this opinion several times, they made several mistakes, 1 was going to the club and asking for support, football groups and songs etc are an organic/tribal thing, I admire what they where trying to achieve but they went the wrong way about it, they should have just used forums to build a number of people into it or approached someone like jobber and tried to band together, I understand they have this so called stance on wanting to sing songs backing the team, not aimed at away fans, but isn't half the fun venting you spleen at the away support.

From my own expierence at Filbert St, when I was just a kid you had to go into that section and get told you were to young, didn't understand etc and take a bit of the old boys, but then you join in and back the club, help make the atmosphere and people learn to respect you, but I think this talking to the club saying this is what we want to do, is almost like asking for permission and I feel that alienated a lot of supporters instantly. they also clearly had no real numbers to make it work, look at that section and it's a poor turn out most games, Palace for example get more numbers and try to spend 90 mins making noise, next to the away section. If the Fosse Boys want to help with backing the team it is time to get more people on board or move to L1 section.

[Oh tommy wright]

The drum helps with the atmosphere. fact.

You are not too bright. Fact!

I am not going to explain again.

[The Doctor]

I don't know anything much about the Fosse boys to be fair.

One of my thoughts at the time though, if I'm gonna be brutally honest was that I really couldn't hear them. Positioned where they were at the top of the stand made me think of them as a breakaway group who, though having good intentions, weren't serving much purpose to the general atmosphere of the ground.

Fair play to them for trying though and I bet they had a right laff doing it, but I looked up a few times from my seat and thought 'who they?' and 'why'?

Just my opinion and don't mean any offence...

It's a fair point, but the group positioned themselves up there because it was almost always empty and wasn't in the way of everyone else - if people fancied coming up and joining them there were always places available, without causing a hassle to people sat around them.

I think bayfox is probably right about the asking the club for support, in doing so I think they gave the club far too much power in what they could and couldn't do.

[jonthefox]

With your arrogance you'd be best off in the west stand.

oi. whats wrong with the west stand. I heard someone getting told to eff off at the posh game. Rowdy sods y'know.

[Danny the Fox 95]

The drum helps with the atmosphere. fact.

fact?! lol

[Weller in Tights]

The drum helps with the atmosphere. fact.

Don't get me started!!!!

The drum has killed any real atmosphere, it has created a pantomine, where a potentially hard core group of singers just do inane chants. It also is a fantastic piss take target for away fans. I was in the L block for the first few years after the Walkers/King Power opened. The atmosphere was much better there then, before the 'clubs Jester' was given a position to play his drum.

I moved over to the family stand with my kids and a couple of mates, we are now at the back near the away fans and the tiny group we are produce more sponteniety than the L block now.

We have potentially a large group of fans in the L block and half the K block, who could out sing any of your so called 'Ultras' from other teams (when has English clubs had to start adopting this stupid 'Ultras' label)

Put the drum in the Kop.

Let the L and K block sing, have banter with the away fans, wind the F****rs up and do what the kop in the old days at Filbert Street would do.

Bertie Mee

Said to Bill Shankly

Have you heard of the North Bank Highbury?

Shanks says no

I don't think so

But I've heard of the Leicester Boot Boys

[Oh tommy wright]

No not the kop. Send him over to the egg chasers

[jonthefox]

Just a thought here. Ive been thinking how mental the forest games going to be.

Y'know 7700 fans all packed into one end , all singing and all jumping about no doubt.

And yet we struggle like hell to create this at home.