Hansen apologises for calling black players 'coloured'

[Captain...]

I think what surprises me most about this whole thread is the amount of people that didn't realise that "coloured" is a touch old fashioned. Not inherently racist by itself, but still a touch old fashioned nonetheless.

I love the posts about what we're meant to call "them". Great work

Oh, and this whole episode is largely a fuss about nothing. If Hansen's a racist I will suck Finners' balls. Now, let's all get on with seeing where we fit on the colour chart. I reckon I'm roasted sesame seed, although I was more maple sugar after getting back from holiday.

Thinking about it, I was actually called "Paki" once by a chap in Lincoln after coming back off holiday. I come from such a retarded place.

Anyway, more importantly than this whole thing, I've just been bought a beer and my mum's homemade beef curry is on it's way. Christmas is awesome. I'm outta here

I would be careful with what you say, what Hansen said wasn't racist, but that doesn't mean he isn't a racist, you don't know what he does off camera, he may have a couple of slaves in his mansion and be a fully paid up BNP member. If so you will have some balls to suck.

[Alexikokopops]

I would be careful with what you say, what Hansen said wasn't racist, but that doesn't mean he isn't a racist, you don't know what he does off camera, he may have a couple of slaves in his mansion and be a fully paid up BNP member. If so you will have some balls to suck.

If I'm honest I hope he is a racist. I've been trying to suck Finners' balls since he first joined Foxestalk

[Leicfox]

This is like me getting offended for being called white, when in fact I'm a pinkish colour.. Totally ridiculous.

I've never seen a pure "black person" as

Rohan Ricketts like's to call himself. Toffee-brown would be more the colour.

[Petchy]

I agree with Reginald D Hunter.

The British are shit at racism.

The Americans are fvcking pros.

I cracked up at "Can you lend a niggAH a pencil" Dug that hole even deeper!

[FuriousFox46]

If you are a describing a person who's black, call them black. If you are a describing a person who's white, call them white.

Seriously, what is so ****ing hard to grasp?

[I am Rod Hull]

If you are a describing a person who's black, call them black. If you are a describing a person who's white, call them white.

Seriously, what is so ****ing hard to grasp?

Miners are black and albinos are white, everyone else is a shade of brown, yellow or pink... Is that so ****ing hard to grasp? and the milky bar kid? dont even go there.

Oh! and this

Rohan Ricketts guy.... He must justify his job by pointing out these kind of watery racist remarks, otherwise he and the rest of his lot would be redundant.

SHOCK AND AWE!

[Charl91]

I don't have problems with racism.

In fact, I'm really good at it.

[FuriousFox46]

Miners are black and albinos are white, everyone else is a shade of brown, yellow or pink... Is that so ****ing hard to grasp? and the milky bar kid? dont even go there.

Oh! and this

Rohan Ricketts guy.... He must justify his job by pointing out these kind of watery racist remarks, otherwise he and the rest of his lot would be redundant.

SHOCK AND AWE!

Well if you're going to be pedantic. Hardly anybody actually is black or white

[Finnegan]

If I'm honest I hope he is a racist. I've been trying to suck Finners' balls since he first joined Foxestalk

*unzips*

[The Year Of The Fox]

I'm not sure they should be grateful for tolerance, but I agree with the rest of it. Black people shouldn't be going out of their way to get offended, I mean for one they're just words, two they aren't personal enough to be truly offensive, and three, in this case, it wasn't used in an attempt to be offensive. Intent is the most impotant thing after all. If you know somebody isn't racist and isn't attempting to offend you why should you be offended at all? Coloured is an old-fashioned term and I can understand why black people would prefer to be called black. But he didn't mean anything by it so there's no reason for anyone to fly off the handle. If anything people should chuckle at his old-fashionedness. While we're on this subject, another thing that annoys me is this lack of black managers thing. Chris Powell says he feels like a role model for black managers and something needs to be done to get more black managers. Why? Chris Powell is a manager, why is it an issue what race he is, or what race any of the managers are? Making an issue of it is wrong and not inthe spirit of equality.

Exactly this. It only highlights the fact that he's black, which really shouldn't be an issue. The association of Black Police Officers does my head in too

[Alexikokopops]

*unzips*

I thought you'd never ask

[MrFox781]

Its the same way you would describe someone white.

[leicesterseddon]

Look, although it is clear that Hansen's comment contained no malice or racist intent.

The word 'coloured' is deemed offensive. The fact that people are saying what people should be offended by is ludicrous. We're all coloured, the statement is hypocritical, nonsensical and nowadays inappropriate.

Although, I have no doubt, Hansen was solely on the end of an unfortunate error, because he was brought up in a time where 'coloured' was acceptable. It would still take little effort to cease use of the word in favour of something which doesn't offend a large proportion of the black community.

Well...erm, no. The reason that some people object to the term 'coloured' is that it implies non-white people are non-perfect. In certain contexts, it has the same connotations as words like 'blemished' and 'tarnished'. By implication, it sets out that white people are some sort of normal original creation, and that people who aren't white are the 'others' - people who've been somehow stained. Then you throw in a whole host of cultural baggage surrounding whiteness and its associations with divinity/purity etc. and the colour black and its association with evil/sin/ignorance, and you can see how some people have constructred an argument against the use of the term. Not that everyone buys into this reasoning, of course.

As others have pointed out, however, Hanson clearly didn't use this word maliciously, and obviously won't do it again in any case. The irony of all this (again, as others have said) is that he was probably trying to use the word euphemistically. Of course, in its beginnings, the expression 'concentration camp' was also a euphemism, for what were previously called (somewhat more bluntly) 'death camps'. Now, of course, it's just as emotionally charged. Funny thing, language...

[The Year Of The Fox]

Well...erm, no. The reason that some people object to the term 'coloured' is that it implies non-white people are non-perfect. In certain contexts, it has the same connotations as words like 'blemished' and 'tarnished'. By implication, it sets out that white people are some sort of normal original creation, and that people who aren't white are the 'others' - people who've been somehow stained. Then you throw in a whole host of cultural baggage surrounding whiteness and its associations with divinity/purity etc. and the colour black and its association with evil/sin/ignorance, and you can see how some people have constructred an argument against the use of the term. Not that everyone buys into this reasoning, of course. As others have pointed out, however, Hanson clearly didn't use this word maliciously, and obviously won't do it again in any case. The irony of all this (again, as others have said) is that he was probably trying to use the word euphemistically. Of course, in its beginnings, the expression 'concentration camp' was also a euphemism, for what were previously called (somewhat more bluntly) 'death camps'. Now, of course, it's just as emotionally charged. Funny thing, language...

Before I was informed the word 'coloured' was deemed un-PC, I always used it, without any thought of hidden/contorted connotations to the word. I'm not certain any black person would say the word 'coloured' had offensive connatations to it. Yes its an outdated word, but then, at the time, describing a person as 'black' was deemed un-PC. (Suarez is said to have called Evra 'Negro' which incidentally translates as black.)

Nothing more than a storm in a tea cup in my opinion.

Is someone racist for saying that someone is black? Bear in mind that Evra is said to have called him a South American? If calling someone black when they are black is deemed racist, then so is calling someone a south american when they're from south america. So both are as bad as the other

[leicesterseddon]

Before I was informed the word 'coloured' was deemed un-PC, I always used it, without any thought of hidden/contorted connotations to the word. I'm not certain any black person would say the word 'coloured' had offensive connatations to it. Yes its an outdated word, but then, at the time, describing a person as 'black' was deemed un-PC. (Suarez is said to have called Evra 'Negro' which incidentally translates as black.)

Nothing more than a storm in a tea cup in my opinion.

Is someone racist for saying that someone is black? Bear in mind that Evra is said to have called him a South American? If calling someone black when they are black is deemed racist, then so is calling someone a south american when they're from south america. So both are as bad as the other

Well, as I said, I was only presenting the argument for why some people object to the term 'coloured'. I agree that controversy surrounding it often boils down to a storm in a teacup (pun not intended!)...and personally, I don't think it's an extremely offensive term.

Of course calling a black person 'black' isn't racist...and I don't think anyone's arguing that it is, to be honest. But it's about context - and if you introduce descriptions of someone's ethnicity/skin colour into an argument and/or insult (as both Suarez and Terry seem to have done, according to the evidence we have), then that's obviously racist. As would insulting someone for being South American. So yes, to answer your question, both are as bad as each other.

As I've said, both should apologise now, beg forgiveness from the wider footballing world, accept the punishments that come their way and try to move on. But all this guff about 'well it's fine to say this in South America' (possibly the worst defence in the world, for pretty much anything), or 'it was said in the heat of the moment', etc. on the part of Terry is just absolutely pathetic. I'd actually be a lot more tolerant towards them if they just admitted their guilt. And as for Liverpool FC backing him, jeez. Of course, it's all part of some Thatherite/southern/Mancunian/London/BBC/Murdoch newspaper axis of evil unfairly acting against them though

[somebum]

I have a friend from up north who is in his '70's. One day we were walking near traffic and someone sounded their horn. I asked 'Who was that?' to which he replied 'I dunno, some coon'.

Not nice language but there is clearly more to get wound up by than a simple little comment with no malice intended. I genuinely do not believe that the majority of colored people cared one way or the other about it but instead it was the liberal parasites working behind the scenes of media and government who made a big thing over it.

[Captain...]

I have a friend from up north who is in his '70's. One day we were walking near traffic and someone sounded their horn. I asked 'Who was that?' to which he replied 'I dunno, some coon'.

Not nice language but there is clearly more to get wound up by than a simple little comment with no malice intended. I genuinely do not believe that the majority of colored people cared one way or the other about it but instead it was the liberal parasites working behind the scenes of media and government who made a big thing over it.

It is a different matter, coon has never been acceptable and probably demonstrates an underlying current of hatred towards black people, whereas coloured was considered acceptable until the 80s when it became considered offensive.