Hansen apologises for calling black players 'coloured'

[Matt]

Ok, so as much as I hate JT and hope he does get punished for what he's done, I am understood to believe he called Anton Ferdinand a 'Black (unt'.

So is black the 'correct' term or coloured?

If Hansen is right why is he appologising? And if JT is right surely all he has done is call someone a (unt (If what I understood he said is what he actually said), which is derogatory but I know i'm guilty of calling someone a (unt in the past.

PC gone mad?

[MPH]

Ok, so as much as I hate JT and hope he does get punished for what he's done, I am understood to believe he called Anton Ferdinand a 'Black (unt'.

So is black the 'correct' term or coloured?

If Hansen is right why is he appologising? And if JT is right surely all he has done is call someone a (unt (If what I understood he said is what he actually said), which is derogatory but I know i'm guilty of calling someone a (unt in the past.

PC gone mad?

I think there is a context difference... JT was clearly intending to insult Ferdinand and so therfore it was intended to be a derogatory thing to call him black...

[MPH]

I happen to agree with you and skin colour shouldn't be an issue full stop, we're all part of the same (human) race after all. I'm only responding to this thread as i'm genuinely shocked at the (mock) 'outrage' expressed by Ricketts, Collymore etc and their moronic followers.

Agree totally.... Now if anyone would like to search back through some threads they will KNOW my stance on racism... so i hope this doesn't offend anyone.... but it really does appear some people *cough* Ricketts *cough* are very quick to play the 'victim' card...

Now if RIckets or anyone was to contact Hansen and say " hey mate... that term is a little bit outdated might offend some one somewhere.... but i know... no harm intended ... its ok to call us black , mate" then thats a totally different kettle of fish.

[MPH]

Just as a side thought... i wonder if Hansen used the term ' coloured' as he was purposefully trying to avoid offending anyone...

[I am Rod Hull]

I take it that there`s no chance of Love Thy Neighbour being re-run anytime soon then ?

[Guest MattP]

I actually have to get out this country.

I have a feeling in twenty years time we will be gagged with crash helmets and armbands on, seriously, wtf is going on?

[FuriousFox46]

Look, although it is clear that Hansen's comment contained no malice or racist intent.

The word 'coloured' is deemed offensive. The fact that people are saying what people should be offended by is ludicrous. We're all coloured, the statement is hypocritical, nonsensical and nowadays inappropriate.

Although, I have no doubt, Hansen was solely on the end of an unfortunate error, because he was brought up in a time where 'coloured' was acceptable. It would still take little effort to cease use of the word in favour of something which doesn't offend a large proportion of the black community.

[FuriousFox46]

Ok, so as much as I hate JT and hope he does get punished for what he's done, I am understood to believe he called Anton Ferdinand a 'Black (unt'.

So is black the 'correct' term or coloured?

If Hansen is right why is he appologising? And if JT is right surely all he has done is call someone a (unt (If what I understood he said is what he actually said), which is derogatory but I know i'm guilty of calling someone a (unt in the past.

PC gone mad?

No, he didn't just call Ferdinand a ****. He called him a 'black ****'. The 'black' part was not needed and therefore shows it was used to add offence to his comments. That is quite clearly a racist statement.

[I am Rod Hull]

Anyway, Evra is brown not black...

[Bugg]

Anyway, Evra is brown not black...

Yes, and they are both colours so Mr Hansen is technically correct.

[Finnegan]

This is such a non-issue.

He used an offensive term on TV, of course he has to apologize and he's done so. But nobody's accusing him of actually being a racist. In my eyes it's the people going "oh my God, PC gone mad, this is such an overreaction, what the hell!" that are - ironically - making the biggest fuss about it.

As for the term itself, if BME people find it offensive then its offensive, end of. Not for any white person to decide what is and isn't "okay" to brand other races.

[The Doctor]

Yes, and they are both colours so Mr Hansen is technically correct.

Well it's debatable as to whether black is actually a colour but colour theorems are far too dull to discuss in any depth.

Now then, I don't see the fuss here - he's made a comment that some people have found offensive and apologised for it, what's the problem?

[Mack]

He gets 40k a show.

I'm sure he will stand on one leg and hop with his old fella hanging out if it keeps the dosh rolling in.

[The Year Of The Fox]

This is such a non-issue. He used an offensive term on TV, of course he has to apologize and he's done so. But nobody's accusing him of actually being a racist. In my eyes it's the people going "oh my God, PC gone mad, this is such an overreaction, what the hell!" that are - ironically - making the biggest fuss about it. As for the term itself, if BME people find it offensive then its offensive, end of. Not for any white person to decide what is and isn't "okay" to brand other races.

Its not though. I bet there aren't many black people offended by his comment, and therefore not kicking up a stink about it. It'll be the PC brigade thinking they're speaking on behalf of black people.

[AyewJoking]

Why exactly is "coloured" considered racist? Is it putting all different.....err...colours into one group?

[Guest Bilo]

I take it that there`s no chance of Love Thy Neighbour being re-run anytime soon then ?

Let's play Offensive Terminology Bingo with this.

House guaranteed in under a minute!

[Bellend Sebastian]

I know someone who was hauled over the coals not long ago for using the phrase 'dusky maiden'. I'm not sure this is currently a commonly used term by the far right, but it was suggested that he wouldn't be out of place at a BNP meeting, which I don't think was especially helpful. He subsequently apologised unreservedly to dusky maidens everywhere

[Captain...]

Why exactly is "coloured" considered racist? Is it putting all different.....err...colours into one group?

It all came about because the washing powder companies insisted you had to separate the colours from the whites...

Seriously I think it was originally considered offensive because it was classifying all people who were not white as different rather than recognising different ethnic groups, I think to refer to an individual as coloured is wrong, Rohan Ricketts is right he is not coloured he is black, but Alan Hansen wasn't talking about Rohan Ricketts (and probably hasn't for many years) he wasn't talking about black people he wasn't talking about non British or African americans or Indo Chinese, he was referring to the racism received in general by people who aren't white caucasians in Britain.

Coloured, whilst not politically correct, means that, and that is why it is not PC because it refers to all groups of non white caucasians, which is bad, but he was talking about non white caucasians, which is good because it is not just black players that receive racist abuse, for example Evra calling Suarez a South American is as bad as him calling Evra black (both true, but neither should be used as an insult).

Hansen should have apologised, because rightly or wrongly it is deemed offensive to use this word, even in it's proper context and in a non offensive way. He should not be punished or villified for it because he was talking sensibly about the issues of racism in football, but that will all be lost because he used the wrong word.

[citifox]

I'm a white guy so don't mind being called white OH SORRY don;t want to offend anyone. the worlds going crazy you can't say anything without being dragged into racism row.

[21st Century Fox]

I'm a white guy so don't mind being called white OH SORRY don;t want to offend anyone. the worlds going crazy you can't say anything without being dragged into racism row.

Thats kind of the whole point though isn't it. Black people have had to earn the right (not that they should have even had to) to be called Black, instead of a sweeply general term. Its a sense of pride. I love the white people who think this kind of thing is them being 'shat on'. Wow just look back 40 or 50 years to see a people being shat on!

Obviously Hansen didn't mean this to be offensive, the context justifies that, he just used an out dated term. But no one has the right to tell people what they can and can't find offensive, no more than anyone can tell you not to use those words, just don't be suprised to be reviled by some as well as revered by others, we live in a forever changing society.

[Bellend Sebastian]

I'm a white guy so don't mind being called white OH SORRY don;t want to offend anyone. the worlds going crazy you can't say anything without being dragged into racism row.

That's not true, Dave was just telling us how he was up until 5am with his new girlfriend this morning and I said 'you lucky bastard' and that I probably wouldn't get any work out of him this morning, and then I asked the office if they wanted a cuppa, and I think I said it was warm for the time of year, and commented on how nice Jo's new car is, and then talked a bit about a report we're trying to get out today and I didn't get accused of being A MASSIVE RACIST even once

[Captain...]

I'm a white guy so don't mind being called white OH SORRY don;t want to offend anyone. the worlds going crazy you can't say anything without being dragged into racism row.

That is very big of you, I know how much you suffered during those years of white oppression, and being treated as a second class citizen because of the colour of your skin.

[acooling08]

That is very big of you, I know how much you suffered during those years of white oppression, and being treated as a second class citizen because of the colour of your skin.

But a lot of the black people (Sorry if I just caused offence there) who get oh so offended today weren't born into the prejudice of the 60s and 70s. They have grown up with equality (admittedly with decreasing racism) in the 80s and afterwards but still play the 'Oh poor me I'm so offended' card at every oppurtunity. You think they'd be grateful for greater tolerance but they just seem to want to put the nasty white people on edge 24/7 by playing the race card.

[Captain...]

But a lot of the black people (Sorry if I just caused offence there) who get oh so offended today weren't born into the prejudice of the 60s and 70s. They have grown up with equality (admittedly with decreasing racism) in the 80s and afterwards but still play the 'Oh poor me I'm so offended' card at every oppurtunity. You think they'd be grateful for greater tolerance but they just seem to want to put the nasty white people on edge 24/7 by playing the race card.

I know, cheeky cvnts wanting to be treated as equals in the country they were born in.

Yes racism is decreasing but it still exists in this country, it is evidenced by parties like the BNP and EDL, by the disproportionate number of ethic minorities in positions of power, by the abuse aimed at them by Tram Woman and people like that purely because they look different.

Are you seriously suggesting that we should accept current levels racism because it is not as bad as it used to be?

[Corky]

But a lot of the black people (Sorry if I just caused offence there) who get oh so offended today weren't born into the prejudice of the 60s and 70s. They have grown up with equality (admittedly with decreasing racism) in the 80s and afterwards but still play the 'Oh poor me I'm so offended' card at every oppurtunity. You think they'd be grateful for greater tolerance but they just seem to want to put the nasty white people on edge 24/7 by playing the race card.

But their families were. Generations went through it and that will have a knock-on effect to the next generations, the current one and in the future.

Society is so much better and far more accomodating now but still beliefs persist and I don't think it's correct to tell people what is offensive to them and what isn't.